To be very cross at school?

[Changes123456]

DD'S year were told to self isolate from Friday till end of Friday 30th coz of covid case.
Surely the SI starts the day pupils last had contact with thr covid sufferer?
Unlikely to be the Friday? HT has bene contacted and they have confirmed in whole year email it's till the Friday. In a separate email to another concerned parent, HT states pupil was not in scholl on the Friday.
This is wrong isn't it?
24 hours extra in half term would stop these children. 150 of them. Being couped up.
Also. HT sent whole off another year home yesterday. They have only got to self isolate till Friday 30th.
There are another 2 years self isolate too. About 600 kids.
A friend has children in both years and can see the obvious differently applyed dates.
I'm not going to email but I'm so cross.

Its 14 days from when the person who tested positive first got symptoms.
So whoever's tested positive the symptoms started a week prior. Unless you know who it is and when their symptoms started YABU.

I used to frequently be cross at school.

I don't know why you wouldn't push back? DD was told to isolate after coming into contact with a positive case in breakfast club. She only uses breakfast club once a week. Her isolation should have been two weeks from her last visit to breakfast club - but school had it as two weeks from the positive test result - a difference of four days. I emailed, explained, asked for the actual date of last contact, and the school responded 48 hours later with a new date.

Why don't you email the school to clarify things?

Here isolation starts from the date the positive person started experiencing symptoms. Even if your child hadn't seen them the day before, the isolation still starts on the day symptoms began, rather than last contact.

Public Health England advices schools that it's 14 days from the date of the positive test, not 14 days from point of contact.
At least in our area!

Well that's a bit stupid. What if they've waited 5 days for a result? - that would be 19 days isolation

@AliMonkey

We had same. School letter stated affected pupil not in since the Monday but told to SI until the Friday. I did wonder whether they gave that extra info as they disagreed with what PHE told them.

But remember that unless contacted by test and trace your child is not required by law to SI. We’ve not been contacted. So we intend to stop the SI 14 days after positive case last in school (unless notified of another case or DD shows symptoms). Will still be careful (as we are being anyway) but will at least enable DD to go out for a walk or bike ride!

I'm sorry, but this isn't correct.

Schools don't use NHS Test and Trace, they use a direct route to Public Health England. Details of children and staff exposed are sent directly to the outbreak team at Public Health England by the school and aren't registered via Test and Trace and therefore parents/staff won't be notified this way - Public Health England notify via the school.

@ExhaustedCatLady so why then does the wording say for the two secondary schools that are closed here ‘students are recommended to self isolate’. If they legally have to self isolate then it is ‘students must self isolate’

It’s all as clear as mud. If you have to self isolate then you should be properly and individually notified. ‘Recommended’ ho hum what nonsense

@dementedpixie

Well that's a bit stupid. What if they've waited 5 days for a result? - that would be 19 days isolation

No one else has to isolate until someone has a positive test result, regardless of how long that takes to get, so no one would isolate for longer than 14 days.

[quote Teateaandmoretea]**@ExhaustedCatLady* so why then does the wording say for the two secondary schools that are closed here ‘students are recommended* to self isolate’. If they legally have to self isolate then it is ‘students must self isolate’

It’s all as clear as mud. If you have to self isolate then you should be properly and individually notified. ‘Recommended’ ho hum what nonsense[/quote]
All I can say is what I work with in practice and what we've been advised by Public Health England.

The template we received from PHE to send to parents says "... your child must stay at home and self-isolate until.... For more information on what self-isolation means in practice, please visit...".

That isn't what we've written, it's what has directly come from PHE.

You're right that it is clear as mud, and in my experience none of us seem 100% confident in what we're doing as the rationale behind their decisions is rarely explained.

However, it is absolutely worth bearing in mind that not all notifications come from NHS Test and Trace. We can't even notify them as we're a non Test and Trace establishment.

situation takes a different amount of time and it has also changed since September.
The gov put more power in the DoE to make the decisions at the start of October (after the lack of testing debacle) and they are more likely to only want to send those kids home who have sat 2m less near that pupil (I know as I have had to deal with this).

Hahaha of that was the case then why are 150 children isolating?
Abd 450 over another 3 years? Our sch obvs not complying with that.

@Changes123456

situation takes a different amount of time and it has also changed since September. The gov put more power in the DoE to make the decisions at the start of October (after the lack of testing debacle) and they are more likely to only want to send those kids home who have sat 2m less near that pupil (I know as I have had to deal with this).

Hahaha of that was the case then why are 150 children isolating?
Abd 450 over another 3 years? Our sch obvs not complying with that.

Apologise. Forgot to highlight top bit as a quote

My understanding is it’s 14 days from the last contact they had with the person who has tested positive. So my DD was in nursery 2 days last week (mon and Tues). Wed she showed (very slight) symptoms and we got her a test that same day. We got her result on Saturday night and all close contacts (so any child in nursery Monday and Tuesday with her) plus all the carers have to isolate until next Tuesday. Which is 14 days from when they last had contact with her but only 9 days from when they were told (Sunday) because of the delay in her test results coming back. I assume the children in on Monday and not Tuesday will only have to isolate until the Monday (ie 14 days from when they last had contact with DD). This was all done in line with the guidance the nursery received from PHE.

I don’t know whether the isolation period would be extended if another child in the isolating group tests positive at this stage. I guess if that child started experiencing symptoms last Friday, got tested on Saturday and still hasn’t had their result then it could be as any children in on Wednesday and Thursday (ie 48 hours before symptoms started in child 2) would need to isolate for 2 weeks from their last contact with child 2.

Could something similar be why the isolation period for your DC seems longer OP?

Pretty impossible for child b to be in sch on Friday and have a test result resulting in an email Friday 4pm

Unless they were part of some sort of routine testing? So they had their routine test earlier in the week, kept going to school as normal and got an unexpected positive?

@ExhaustedCatLady You are of course right that the process for schools is via PHE not test and trace. I knew that. My point is that the law only says self isolate if either symptoms / person in your household has symptoms or T&T tell you to. I know this because I tried to claim a refund on UK holiday accommodation as they guaranteed a refund if government restrictions stopped you going and they said no as not been told by T&T to self isolate. I was ready to argue with them but they were absolutely right. So whilst we intend to stick to the 14 days from last known day positive person was in school (despite DD never being in same class as the positive case so at most could have been fleeting contact in corridor or toilets), we won’t be sticking to 14 days from positive test.

If anyone can find a law that says you have to SI if school tells you to on PHE advice, I would be very grateful as I can then get my holiday refund!

And to @ChloeDecker who said only sending whole bubble home if more than one positive case - no, not true in our case. One positive and whole year told to self isolate. I understand from others that decision will depend on whether whole bubble sharing toilets, whether masks required in corridors etc.

@Changes123456

situation takes a different amount of time and it has also changed since September. The gov put more power in the DoE to make the decisions at the start of October (after the lack of testing debacle) and they are more likely to only want to send those kids home who have sat 2m less near that pupil (I know as I have had to deal with this).

Hahaha of that was the case then why are 150 children isolating?
Abd 450 over another 3 years? Our sch obvs not complying with that.

Is it not more than one positive case at your school? Than what I said would be correct.