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To think Nicola Sturgeon has just started (or reignited) a war?

58 replies

GlassInEachHand · 09/10/2020 12:48

After all, if a Jaffa Cake were a biscuit, it would be called a Jaffa Biscuit.

Jaffa Cake = cake, vote yes

Jaffa Cake = biscuit, vote no

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Lemonyfuckit · 09/10/2020 13:37

Regardless of what a Jaffa cake is (technically a cake BUT you definitely eat it in a biscuit situation), and I right in thinking the real ludicrousness of the VAT situation is that chocolate biscuits are deemed a luxury but cake isn't? Far be it for me to deny that really BOTH of these items are truly essential in nature, but how can cake be less of a luxury than biscuits?

GlassInEachHand · 09/10/2020 13:49

Judas, yes, exactly - when is a cafe not a cafe? (Simply not being licensed to sell alcohol is too simplistic, imho...)

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GlassInEachHand · 09/10/2020 13:54

FWIW I often eat cake in a "biscuit situation" ... Blush but agree in principle with Lemony - this shouldn't be an issue as neither could be described as "essentials". Maybe something to do with Marie Antoinette, who suggested that cake would be a suitable substitute for bread? Who knows what goes through legislators' minds when they make up these rules? Confused

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Babdoc · 09/10/2020 13:55

TheQueef, Boyd Tunnock, the owner of Tunnocks, is persona non grata for Sturgeon and the SNP! He had the shocking temerity to market his product as “the Great British teacake” and (oh horror!) put a Union Jack on the packaging.
SNP supporters organised a boycott - and sales rose 33%! They had to increase production at the factory and we unionists laughed ourselves sick.

BusySittingDown · 09/10/2020 13:59

Jaffa Cake is defo a cake.

You can't dunk it in your brew, therefore it is not a biscuit.

TheQueef · 09/10/2020 14:05

@Babdoc

TheQueef, Boyd Tunnock, the owner of Tunnocks, is persona non grata for Sturgeon and the SNP! He had the shocking temerity to market his product as “the Great British teacake” and (oh horror!) put a Union Jack on the packaging. SNP supporters organised a boycott - and sales rose 33%! They had to increase production at the factory and we unionists laughed ourselves sick.
This is why I love the Scots ❤
TazMac · 09/10/2020 14:08

Do you know that for accountants that’s an interview question based on tax treatment? Genuinely been asked it once. Do you my personal or professional view?

I’ve heard about this but can’t remember the correct answer. Please enlighten me! Something to do with cakes and biscuits being treated differently for tax purposes...

imfatletsparty · 09/10/2020 14:16

"What does Sturgeon have to do with this? No, don’t bother, I don’t care, I can’t abide the whining little shit."

She's not the only whining little shit it would seem.

DizzyPigeon · 09/10/2020 14:39

Something to do with cakes and biscuits being treated differently for tax purposes

Chocolate biscuits are a luxury, so are subject to vat.

Cake and biscuits without chocolate are essentials, so there's no vat to pay.

DizzyPigeon · 09/10/2020 14:40

All cake is essential, chocolate or no chocolate. Just realised my last sentence is ambiguous.

GlassInEachHand · 09/10/2020 14:40

Ooh look at those voting statistics. The question was about Jaffa Cakes, not Brexit! Grin

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BloggersBlog · 09/10/2020 14:46

@Judashascomeintosomemoney

Also, Wagon Wheels? What are they then, hmmm?
An indefinable slice of heaven in a wrapper is the nearest I can get (unless they have been adulterated by jam Angry WHY???)
Yesyoudoknowme · 09/10/2020 15:08

I saw some Pineapple jaffa cakes for sale the other day but I didn't buy them cos I'm on a diet... I'm really regretting that now Sad

LizzieMacQueen · 09/10/2020 15:17

I heard that on the radio today too. Didn't she train as a solicitor? Surely she'd at least have heard of the court case even if she couldn't remember the outcome.

GlassInEachHand · 09/10/2020 15:52

I saw some Pineapple jaffa cakes for sale the other day but I didn't buy them cos I'm on a diet... I've had these - they are very nice and relatively low in calories for a biscuit cake. :)

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Lemonyfuckit · 09/10/2020 16:09

@Babdoc

TheQueef, Boyd Tunnock, the owner of Tunnocks, is persona non grata for Sturgeon and the SNP! He had the shocking temerity to market his product as “the Great British teacake” and (oh horror!) put a Union Jack on the packaging. SNP supporters organised a boycott - and sales rose 33%! They had to increase production at the factory and we unionists laughed ourselves sick.
That's hilarious! I had no idea about that nationalist own goal!
speakout · 09/10/2020 16:12

I am no fan of politicians generally, but Sturgeon seems to do a better job than most.

Lemonyfuckit · 09/10/2020 16:12

@BusySittingDown

Jaffa Cake is defo a cake.

You can't dunk it in your brew, therefore it is not a biscuit.

That is a very interesting angle on the cake / biscuit question. Here I was thinking it's about the soft / hard point or cake / biscuit situation, when really I only ever eat biscuits when they can be dunked, and I'm not onboard with dunking a Jaffa. My mind is now entirely clear on what category a Jaffa falls into. Still less so on the VAT point but the OP has raised a valid idea re Marie Antoinette.
Witchend · 09/10/2020 16:51

I don't know what she said, but I do know that whatever she thinks "England" says she'll say the opposite.

DizzyPigeon · 09/10/2020 16:57

I don't know what she said, but I do know that whatever she thinks "England" says she'll say the opposite

And then England will make a u-turn a week later...

Montmartre · 09/10/2020 16:58

Surely to show her patriotism she should only be eating shortbread or tunnocks? Hmm

DizzyPigeon · 09/10/2020 17:02

Surely to show her patriotism she should only be eating shortbread or tunnocks?

😂😂 Is that how it works? Do people that want self - determination for their country limit themselves to items only from that country? I guess she's pro-Europe so pasta is still okay. Boris better not have any though 😂

Montmartre · 09/10/2020 17:07

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DizzyPigeon · 09/10/2020 17:08

Good news though. McVities, that invented Jaffa Cakes, started in Edinburgh. So she's fine!

DizzyPigeon · 09/10/2020 17:09

@Montmartre are you okay?