To meet friend if we are in local lockdown?

[simplyted]

I'm in Newcastle.
The rules are not to mix with anyone outside your household/bubble.
Now I live alone but have another friend who I've been bubbling up with.
Now this other friend (who lives alone with 2 kids) has asked me to go to the pub tonight.
Aibu to go?
As she lives alone but has been seeing other people who aren't in her household.
Is anyone even sticking to these rules ?
I'm safe ,I keep 2 metres
Wear a mask
Anti bac after ever shop/touch anything
Have Milton spray which I spray toilets/bus seats/toilet seats before I sit on them.
Aibu ?

YABU if you think the pubs and restaurants in Newcastle are only going to be closing for 2 weeks, come on! It’s going to be a lot, lot longer than that, I’d be amazed if anything reopened before Christmas and probably well into next year.

It’s illegal to meet her at the pub. Whether you let that stop you or not is up to you and your personal risk appetite.

It’s illegal no you shouldn’t. You can legally go for a socially distanced walk instead.

@JeanClaudeVanDammit I would like to be hopeful it was just a two week closure purely for all the family businesses that will go under.

What is so hard to understand? Reading some of the threads on Mumsnet makes me realize just how many people are preparing to break the rules because they have 'had enough.'
We've all had enough of the virus. We're all fed up with it. The government is trying - ok, to be honest, they've not done a brilliant job so far, but they are trying, to stop the spread of the virus. They are in danger of fighting a losing battle if people are just going to ignore restrictions when it suits them, or protest that their 'freedoms' are being taken away.'
That last sentence isn't meant to apply to the OP. I know she hasn't said that, but many others have.
It will take every single person to abide by the rules if the country is to have even a chance of controlling the virus.
It's not good enough to say 'it's not as deadly as flu' or 'people are losing their jobs,' or ' younger people are not at risk of dying.'
All these things are important, I'm not denying that.' but infections are rising and the number of deaths will follow.

Is there outdoor seating at the pub? That wouldn’t be illegal.
This is from the guidelines relating to Newcastle...

She isn’t in your bubble and you can’t just add her because you fancy a pint and a chat.

It’s shit, but it’s how things are.

I find it silly when people say they are fed up with it so will break the rules. If people stick to the rules and get got on with it we would be out of the situation a lot quicker. We have had to have second lock downs because people haven't stuck to the rules and then they are the first to complain about the lockdown when they are causing it. We went into first lockdown because people weren't sticking to the rules, we were given a chance and we didn't take it.

OP- not saying you haven't been sticking to the rules.

For fucks sake. We're all sick of it. People like you distorting the support bubble idea are why people like me who are using that support properly are worried about having it withdrawn.

I'm just fed up of it all now.

I’m sure that is a great comfort to those who are getting the virus and suffering with it.

We’re all fed up with it, but if you don’t do what is needed we will be doing all this for much, much longer. How are people not getting that?

Even tho it's the uni students who are spreading it.
The pubs are so well organised

Even is your ridiculous notion that only students are spreading it, where exactly do you think they are doing that? You don’t think they are in pubs?

20% of cases in Scotland are happening in pubs. Everyone here says they are well organised too.

Just stick to the fucking rules, it isn’t difficult. Your friend can’t join your “bubble” and if she is seeing her family then she has formed a bubble with them.

@simplyted is the restaurant and pub closure official now from next Wednesday? I'm in Northumberland and hadn't heard that, though of course we are all waiting for the announcement 😬

Just stick to the fucking rules, it isn’t difficult.

It is difficult though. I am completely sticking to the rules, but it’s shit and isolating and has tanked my mental health. Stop minimising people’s experiences.

🤦‍♀️ @simplyted

rules don't apply to you in the strict lockdown area then

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

Just stick to the fucking rules, it isn’t difficult.

It is difficult though. I am completely sticking to the rules, but it’s shit and isolating and has tanked my mental health. Stop minimising people’s experiences.

This totally. It is difficult for a lot of people.

Add to the fact the the 'rules' really don't seem to be working. 19 out of the 20 areas who have been in local lockdown are still seeing case numbers rising..... you can totally understand why people are fed up

@catwithflowers apparently so,announcement Monday.
I'm not sure how far the closure of pubs will go(whether it just Newcastle or if its the likes of Sunderland,Durham too.

I haven't actually broken any rules up to now.
Not making excuses for anything but I lost my mum 6 weeks tomorrow.
I only was allowed to see her when she was actively dying (I got 30 mins holding her hand ) she was unconscious.
I wasn't allowed to see her inside the care home.
She was too ill to bring outside for a garden visit.
Its not because I just fancy a pint.
I need to see people or il go crazy.
I spend every night on my own (I only see support bubble friend once a week)
I look at videos on my phone of my mum and it's horrible.
I'm stuck on my own with nobody and it makes me realise without her I'm on my own.
I'm not making excuses
That's just my reasoning for wanting company

@simplyted so sorry for your recent loss 😢😢

OP I'm so sorry. That's very hard. I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm on my own and feeling it too. I mostly cope by seeing friends for walks but we are not in a local lockdown at the moment so I have a bit more freedom.

Can you find a pub with outdoor space and burners? Take a blanket even?

OP I'm sorry for your loss, can you get support from your friend that you have bubbled with?

I'm sorry but one of the reasons the rates are rising is because so many people are bending and/or twisting the rules.

If you want multiple bubbles buy a bottle of Matey and stick in your bath.

I'm really sorry for your loss
However if everyone does as you propose to do (which many already are) then this virus will keep on spreading, NHS wont be able to perform routine clinics, people will keep on dying from many many conditions.
Perhaps you need to review who your 'bubble' partner is if you need support more than once per week.
Are there any other avenues for virtual support/distraction you can access? A hobby, online exercise class, volunteer for a charity to befriend a vulnerable person via phone....
This situation is with us for a while so I think it's a good time to plan for alternatives.

@simplyted

I'm just fed up of it all now. Pubs /restaurants are shutting here from Wednesday for two weeks. Even tho it's the uni students who are spreading it. The pubs are so well organised

But it isn't just the students spreading it is it? It's you and your friend as well (and all the others like you) who decide to take a risk.

Why blame the students when YABU too?

Ffs, why have you come on here asking if you should break the lockdown rules in your area?

You know the rules.You know what you are asking would be breaking them. Decide for yourself if you are going to break the rules.....and take the consequences if you get caught. Why start a thread about it?

I'm safe ,I keep 2 metres
Wear a mask
Anti bac after ever shop/touch anything
Have Milton spray which I spray toilets/bus seats/toilet seats before I sit on them.
The image in my head of you spraying bus seats. I dread to think what the other passengers are thinking.😂😂😂😂😂

If you really want an answer and this isn't some stupid troll thread, then just obey the bloody rules.

Yeah you can’t go with someone who’s not in your bubble if you already have a bubble. It’s for support, so that you’re basically able to mix with another household and see some one else. Much as another person could see their partner or housemate.

Very sorry for your loss I should say

The thing is you know this isn’t allowed. It’s not MN’s decision or place to encourage you to break the rules. It’s your own call.

YABU. The lockdown will be a lot longer than two weeks if people keep doing what you’re suggesting, OP.

The rules are there for a reason, not for fun, and they’re applicable to everyone regardless of personal circumstance.