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LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 15:25

Over the past week or so, it has transpired that my stepson, age 17, believes that he has a rubbish life and that nothing goes right for him.

This is because of a cluster of incidents, including him leaving expensive things on the bus on three occasions in the last month and him being bollocked for it (one was his £100/term bus pass which obviously he needs replacing, and another was his wallet with all his birthday money in it as he was taking it to town to put it in the bank on his way to college - not little things that don't matter).

He has also just received his mock grades and is disappointed with how he's done.

He claims that everything is pointless and that he doesn't know what to do to make it better.

DP spoke to him last night - all in a reasonable tone - and said he quite simply has to grow up and take some responsibility for himself. He hardly did any college work over lockdown (despite claiming he did, but he was at his mum's for safety despite us having custody usually as DP is a key worker .. so we couldn't check), and he lied to his tutors about having no internet to avoid the online lessons .. and he has very few lessons now so spends lots of time at home during the day - which we clearly cannot police as we're not here! He's supposed to be working at these times, they've just cut back on face to face teaching.

Evenings are a bit better but his computer is in his bedroom, nowhere else to put it as we only have a small open plan living area and kitchen downstairs, and he ends up playing games more often than not .. and we realise when he gets killed or something and yells out in protest.

DP doesn't know what to do. I mean, he's 17 so he's choosing to be at sixth form, he doesn't HAVE to be. There are other things he could do, but he's insistent that he wants to be there. DP obviously doesn't want him to just waste his time and then have nothing to show for it and not be able to go to uni (he wants to study law - I'm not sure he realises how much work is involved in this as he clearly doesn't enjoy academia) and then be stuck in a rubbish job - whereas he could have done another kind of course at our local college now, something more practical maybe .. but he insists on doing his A Levels.

He honestly wants for nothing, he has a brilliant work space in his room, everything he needs, we've bought him text books so he doesn't have to borrow from college, I've shown him where to get past papers to practice, his tutors have said he can contact them if he needs anything .. but he still thinks it's hopeless, and won't seem to accept the link between 'poor grades' and 'sod all work'. I told him that I use to study all day in college and then for at least another 2 hours when I got home, usually more, and he thinks I'm just saying that. I was a bright student and even all that work only got me Bs!

What can we do? I had the uni experience and think he would love it, at least the social side, though I maintain his aim to do law is unrealistic (and probably coming from his mother anyway). DP didn't stay on for A Levels, and has been in rubbish jobs since, and he absolutely wants better for his son.

But what can we do if he won't work, we can't sit over him the whole time, he often sleeps in and misses his bus if we have to leave before him in a morning (and the other day lied about a lesson being cancelled when I popped home for lunch to find him still in bed at sodding 12.30pm. Even if it had been cancelled he should have been working not in bed. He didn't realise that the college send his dad a text when he misses a lesson).

It just seems like a weird age to deal with. He's living under our roof rent free (not saying I'd expect him to pay rent - but he should be doing something) but at the same time he's such a big lad and so close to being adult it seems crazy that we should have to intervene at all. But DP understandably doesn't just want him sitting at home eating crap and playing games or sleeping while we're at work - which is what's happening now. If he's asked to help round the house it's just a 'no', and how can you make a 17yo do something? The only thing he cares about is his computer, and he has us over a barrel when he says we can't take it off him, as he needs it for his work.

Sorry this is so long, but DSS is unhappy, DP is unhappy, and I'm unhappy because they're unhappy ..

DSS's mum only sees him EOW so has little input, and understandably wants to do something more exciting with him while he's there than have him tied to his desk. That's what she said when DP broached the issue with her over the summer when we got his grades for Y12.

What can we do to help him? Has anyone any experience of this? FWIW when I met DP he was a lovely lad and happy and outgoing. But now he's turned into a lazy, careless, rude young man and I believe it's unhappiness that's causing it, but we don't know what to do :(.

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CSIblonde · 01/10/2020 15:47

He sounds depressed & like he's avoiding school. Does he have friends his age that he sees? Is it that A levels are beyond him & vocational college course might be better? I think a chat is needed. Even if it turns out it's just immaturity & he needs something undemanding in retail for a year or two til he's got his act together. Carrying on as he is ,he's s just going to end up with failed A levels & a spiral further down motivation wise.

LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 15:54

@CSIblonde

He sounds depressed & like he's avoiding school. Does he have friends his age that he sees? Is it that A levels are beyond him & vocational college course might be better? I think a chat is needed. Even if it turns out it's just immaturity & he needs something undemanding in retail for a year or two til he's got his act together. Carrying on as he is ,he's s just going to end up with failed A levels & a spiral further down motivation wise.
The problem is he seems to love the social side of college. All his friends are there. If anything I think that's why he's STAYING at college - because his friends are there. We've chatting at length and he insists he wants to do his A Levels, I've found info about other options etc .. when he's with his mates or playing online he's fine .. college is getting him down but he really wants to be there. I'm wondering if he's trying to please his mum .. because I'd hope he knows he doesn't have to go for our benefit. All we want is for him to be happy (but definitely more productive than gaming and snacks!)
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lazylump72 · 01/10/2020 15:59

Maybe uni isnt for him. It doesnt suit everyone and I know this cos my son did it and although he stayed the course he was so unhappy and felt it was a waste of money and time.His major bug bear was that he could have done the course in 12 months over and again not 3 years but I digress!Anyway maybe your son would be better doing an appreticeship,This would give him a small wage whlst learning something he was interested in and also have the added benefit of mixing with adults thus gaining some confidence and responsibility. Is there anything else that could be bothering him do you think? I had a similar experience when my son had to tell us something and he felt he would let us down and we would be disppointed in him...we werent but at that age their minds run away with them. Maybe his general malaise is also a reflection on how the world is now..its a crazy time we are all struggling with could that be it? Is he struggling with his sexuality? It could be allsorts but getting them to talk is a whole other ball game. Could you and dad maybe I dunno take him for a pint in a beer garden and just be ...ask no questions take the pressure off and learn to enjoy a few hours just together ? Maybe it might allow him to open up about whats going on? You all sound like you are a strong bonded family and although your all confused right now keep at it ,,keep close and you can come out of this. Constant reassurance that he is a good person,much loved and proud of will be key.Maybe you could stress if he opens up that it hurts you to see him so unhappy and ask him what can we do? Itmight be something and nothing finding his feet into adult hood after all we all know these young men mine included now everything about everything yet we also know they need guidance cos they dont know a foot of the way if truth be told.Stay friends stay calm see how it goes.

LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 16:15

@lazylump72

Maybe uni isnt for him. It doesnt suit everyone and I know this cos my son did it and although he stayed the course he was so unhappy and felt it was a waste of money and time.His major bug bear was that he could have done the course in 12 months over and again not 3 years but I digress!Anyway maybe your son would be better doing an appreticeship,This would give him a small wage whlst learning something he was interested in and also have the added benefit of mixing with adults thus gaining some confidence and responsibility. Is there anything else that could be bothering him do you think? I had a similar experience when my son had to tell us something and he felt he would let us down and we would be disppointed in him...we werent but at that age their minds run away with them. Maybe his general malaise is also a reflection on how the world is now..its a crazy time we are all struggling with could that be it? Is he struggling with his sexuality? It could be allsorts but getting them to talk is a whole other ball game. Could you and dad maybe I dunno take him for a pint in a beer garden and just be ...ask no questions take the pressure off and learn to enjoy a few hours just together ? Maybe it might allow him to open up about whats going on? You all sound like you are a strong bonded family and although your all confused right now keep at it ,,keep close and you can come out of this. Constant reassurance that he is a good person,much loved and proud of will be key.Maybe you could stress if he opens up that it hurts you to see him so unhappy and ask him what can we do? Itmight be something and nothing finding his feet into adult hood after all we all know these young men mine included now everything about everything yet we also know they need guidance cos they dont know a foot of the way if truth be told.Stay friends stay calm see how it goes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it. I know uni isn't for everyone, and I think that while he'd love the social side, he'd hate the studying, but as I say he seems completely adamant that that's what he wants to do. But as I mention above I think his mum is putting pressure on him and he doesn't want to let her down. He likes to please her. I do agree with the apprenticeship, I went online to see what was available in our area and he was still insisting that he wasn't interested in any of those, he wanted to stay at college.

We have both reassured him saying that we just want him to be happy and he can tell us everything, so I'd hope he isn't worried about disappointing us (even though - ironically - by trying to 'please' us he kind of is .. but we haven't said that), but you might be right with it being a lot to do with how the world is right now .. and it's even more difficult I suppose being asked to work at home so much when you struggle to motivate yourself. But again, if he's unable to do that now, why does he want to go to uni, when so much of that is self-directed learning?

The sexuality thing is an interesting one. Me and his dad have actually thought that he might be gay (or at least not straight) and he had a conversation with him saying that if he WAS gay, he could tell us, because we love him. I do think that is a distinct possibility, but again, we have covered that base and told him it would be absolutely fine!

The pint is a good idea, though I think it could help to go with his dad and just me, for a bit of 'lad time'. We are (or at least were) a strong unit, always talked etc, it's just lately that it's got so horrible, and no amount of reassurance seems to help.

Maybe worth a visit to the GP as it might have sunk into actual depression, but I don't know what's depression and what's normal teenage moods.

What doesn't help is that I'm quite a bit younger than DP and have no children of my own yet, so I've just been thrown in at the deep end with a teenager who I absolutely bonded with, but who has now changed beyond all recognition!

Thanks again x

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PenguinIce · 01/10/2020 16:29

Has he got a part time job? My ds got his first part time job back in June. It was a real shock to him how hard he had to work for minimum wage. It has made him realise how important his college work is as he doesn’t want to be on stuck on minimum wage jobs his whole life and he is definitely putting a lot more effort In now.

LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 16:46

@PenguinIce

Has he got a part time job? My ds got his first part time job back in June. It was a real shock to him how hard he had to work for minimum wage. It has made him realise how important his college work is as he doesn’t want to be on stuck on minimum wage jobs his whole life and he is definitely putting a lot more effort In now.
No, he won't get a job because he says it'll affect his college work (what college work?!). I always worked when I was at college and loved having my own money, but the problem is his mum is a doctor and gives him quite a generous amount of pocket money, so he doesn't need a job!
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Bluebell878275 · 01/10/2020 17:23

My DSD went through a rough patch recently. She's 17 and started a job in a pub (waitressing etc), the difference in her has been amazing! She's being treated like an adult by the landlord, she's learning to banter with the guests. She's recently also asked to start driving lessons which she had been adamant she couldn't do whilst studying. We've bought her intensive lessons which should help not drag it on too long.
It sounds like he's got himself stuck in a funk, I honestly think a little part-time job will do him the world of good. A bit of independence and actually seeing money in his bank that he's earned himself might help the mental side of things.

LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 17:29

@Bluebell878275

My DSD went through a rough patch recently. She's 17 and started a job in a pub (waitressing etc), the difference in her has been amazing! She's being treated like an adult by the landlord, she's learning to banter with the guests. She's recently also asked to start driving lessons which she had been adamant she couldn't do whilst studying. We've bought her intensive lessons which should help not drag it on too long. It sounds like he's got himself stuck in a funk, I honestly think a little part-time job will do him the world of good. A bit of independence and actually seeing money in his bank that he's earned himself might help the mental side of things.
That's great to hear! Maybe a little job is just what he needs. There is a pub at the end of our road hiring actually, I might suggest it and see what he says. He's about to start learning to drive, too - one of my family members is an instructor and has offered to teach him for free, and he gets on with him, so maybe that'll give him a lift! And he has a car for when he passes as we're looking to get a new one but instead of part-ex we're giving him DP's old car .. so maybe telling him that would give him a boost!!

I'm so glad your DSD is happier now, it does sound like getting a little job has made a huge difference!

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SBTLove · 01/10/2020 17:35

He sounds quite lazy and aimless, you keep mentioning uni but has he even said what he hopes to do?
He lost money, bus card, won’t work but has everything handed to him including driving lessons, time he started taking a bit of responsibility, stop indulging him.
I’ll assume you fund everything? Every 17/18 yr old I know has a job, maybe if he learned the value of things he’d change his attitude.

2bazookas · 01/10/2020 18:06

Have you considered he may be using drugs, this would account for his low mood, sloth, minimal effort etc

spending on drugs would also explain the recent "mystery" disappearances of cash and multiple expensive items (sold) .

drugfree.org/article/spotting-drug-use/

 I'd stop worrying about him studying Law;  at his  current rate of sloth and non-attendance he's unlikely to get the A level grades required  for university  entry.
LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 18:10

@SBTLove

He sounds quite lazy and aimless, you keep mentioning uni but has he even said what he hopes to do? He lost money, bus card, won’t work but has everything handed to him including driving lessons, time he started taking a bit of responsibility, stop indulging him. I’ll assume you fund everything? Every 17/18 yr old I know has a job, maybe if he learned the value of things he’d change his attitude.
He is, absolutely, the problem is he never used to be like this. I mentioned in my original post that he wants to study law, but I have a massive suspicion that his mum is whispering in his ear that it's what he should do.

We don't indulge him to be honest (apart from with the driving lessons, but if they're being offered for free it seems silly to turn them down), it's more his mum. We make sure he has everything he needs for college, he's well fed etc, but it's her who keeps buying him the latest phone, gadgets, games etc. I agree he needs to be responsible for himself, but even if we gave him nothing, he'd still get everything he wanted off her, so he's got no motivation to work.

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LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 18:13

@2bazookas

Have you considered he may be using drugs, this would account for his low mood, sloth, minimal effort etc

spending on drugs would also explain the recent "mystery" disappearances of cash and multiple expensive items (sold) .

drugfree.org/article/spotting-drug-use/

 I'd stop worrying about him studying Law;  at his  current rate of sloth and non-attendance he's unlikely to get the A level grades required  for university  entry.</div></div>

To be honest it hasn't crossed my mind, but I can't see when he could be doing them. He literally goes to college and comes home, we're in local lockdown so he doesn't go anywhere, then he's with his mum at the weekend.

I do genuinely believe that he's losing these things and not selling them. If he wants money he can get it off his mum, he doesn't need to sell his stuff. I honestly believe drugs are unlikely in this situation.

Agree about law, he won't get in, but he won't come up with any kind of other plan that might be more realistic - but then again nor has he found out about different unis and open days (virtual or otherwise) like I told him to.

Thanks for the help x

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BlankTimes · 01/10/2020 19:04

You've had some great suggestions so far OP.

Is he lacking the ability to manage his time properly, you know the score, full of good intentions to do ABC and D, but it falls apart when he has to organise it for himself, e.g. you said, he often sleeps in and misses his bus if we have to leave before him in a morning

I know, he's 17, so the thought of responsibilities for himself and how his lack of organisation impacts so many other people maybe hasn't sunk in, maybe he's been told that's just how he is, a bit scatterbrained and he expects his life to carry on like that. Maybe he doesn't even know he can help himself to be more organised and productive.

There are loads and loads of resources online to help people become more organised in all aspects of their lives, have a Google for terms like Executive Function Skills and see if you think there's a description or a youtube video he may think describes the difficulties he's having.

There are so many apps and phone reminders he could use to help himself be on an equal footing with people who don't struggle with organisational skills.

The other thing he appears to have, and at his age it's common, is unrealistic expectations of exactly what he will have to do to get from being 17 to having a law degree.

Can you find some information on different career paths and show him how many ways there are to be successful and get him to consider what his strengths are? What does he enjoy doing?

Is he practical, creative, a team player or a solo performer? Does he like to take the lead in organising social things with his mates or is he happier just going along with the majority?

You can help him a bit just by teaching him the lifeskills we all need to live day by day.
Involve him in the household, so he can see why domestic chores are absolutely necessary for the household to function smoothly and exactly how much things cost to have a comfortable life.

Talk about his future, get him to see how much he will have to earn to live the life he wants. Talk about health and nutrition, show him how to cook and support himself, where food comes from, do you have a garden? Teach him basic household maintenance. Show him how to manage his finances and all the other things he needs to know about being an independent adult. If you approach a lot of those things with him not so much from the 'let me tell you/show you' angle, but more of a 'I have a problem with this and I'd like to hear your opinion' angle, you may find he responds well.

Somewhere in amongst that lot, you will all see that he has a natural aptitude for some of the things, if you can encourage him to develop those, it should boost his confidence.

Bluebell878275 · 01/10/2020 20:31

LindaEllen Yes, his own car will certainly help! I just think perhaps him 'finding himself' away from a school and home environment might help change his perspective a bit.

SBTLove · 01/10/2020 20:43

His own car? and who is to fund that? If he wants a car he can get a job and save!
No wonder we read about all these ma child types women are lumbered with, he’s 17 time for a wake up call on life and responsibility.

SBTLove · 01/10/2020 20:43

*man not ma

lazylump72 · 02/10/2020 08:22

Had another thought OP...I dont know how feasible it would be right now due to the pandemic buthow about if he is really stuck. suggesting signing up for a volunteer programme over seas? Something like a summer camp or building homes in africa or any of the myriad of things people can do? Would need a lot of reaserch but it might be something that gets him excited to plan if these things are still going ahead?This would give him time out from the norm,gain skills.make friends,be responsible and have a different perspective on life and what heplansto do with it..just an idea to consider.If these things are still going ahead Idont now but he could be off looking after elephants or anything he chooses...Ithink it could be fabulous for him.

Srictlybakeoff · 02/10/2020 08:58

Everyone is posting great suggestions but the problem is that the motivation and perseverance to follow these things through has to come from your dss himself. At 17 he may still be quite immature, and you won’t be able to make him work hard at school or do a college course he’s not interested in. Part time jobs might be hard to find at the moment too.
I totally agree that teaching him life skills is important. And offering love ,support and advice. But you may have to accept that you can’t actually do things for him, and tolerate that he has to make some mistakes before he realises that you have to work for things in this life.
I have ds. They were a bit like this at 17. Things didn’t go smoothly but they learned a lot through more difficult times and maturity made a big difference. They didn’t listen to any of our advice at that age.
Neither would have been remotely interested in going to summer camp or helping in Africa at that stage -although it might be something they would jump at now.

Berthatydfil · 02/10/2020 08:59

He sounds lazy like a lot of teenage boys particularly if they are bright and manage to do fairly well at GCSE with little work. They find it difficult to cope with the transition from school to college /6th form where it’s less regimented they have more free time A levels are harder and they can’t coast and they dip - if they are lucky and sort themselves out and crash and burn if they don’t. It sounds like he likes college for the social life but isn’t prepared to do the work needed.
So he didn’t participate in the home learning that was set up in lock down, hasn’t caught up hasn’t really studied - so what did he expect to happen?
At 17 I think he needs to take some responsibility for himself and his actions.
Say to him - I can’t make you study the only person who can do that is you. It’s a shame you were disappointed with your results but ask yourself honestly what did you expect when you know you could have worked harder ?

Encourage him to get a job or at least make him earn his driving lessons by doing chores or stepping up with his academic work,
With regard to the losing stuff - can you support him to be more responsible with his possessions but at the same time don’t compensate him for the losses.

Houseplantmad · 02/10/2020 09:10

Is there a chance he has ADHD? Losing several things was the first flag to me. Lack of organisation another. DS is similar and does so we have strategies to cope in place. Depression can be linked to it so maybe explore it to see if he matches any of the characteristics.

Itsabeautifuldayheyhey · 02/10/2020 09:35

My first thought was that he sounds depressed.
My second was that, considering he feels his life is rubbish, nothing goes right for him, his life is pointless and he is disappointed with his mock results, it certainly wasn't the time to have a talk with him about growing up and taking responsibility for himself. If ever anything was likely to be the final straw that made him commit suicide, that would be it.

He needs love and understanding at this point - not admonishment. He may be totally directionless precisely because of depression. He may not be studying out of depression, not laziness. I would ask him to talk to a GP about how he is feeling.

Tbh, even if he is struggling, I think you and his DF sound too pushy. Just because his father didn't do A levels and has had rubbish jobs and wants better for his son, it is his son's life. You cannot live vicariously through your children.

custardbear · 02/10/2020 09:48

Well law is a hard course, and if he doesn't study he'll do badly. Sounds like he's at college for a doss to be frank and just use it as a youth centre if he's not working. Has he had the talk about what does he see himself doing for a job, but he's actually told no you can't do that if you don't work so it'll be a waste of time and we know you don't work. How about an apprenticeship in something more practical? Everyone wants to be a games designer but does he have those skills perhaps if that's something he likes or is it literally just playing games.
I think he needs some proper guidance and support, he also needs to hear 'if you don't do work you'll end up being a XYZ (add suitable set of jobs where you need no skills or qualifications)... is that ok with you ? ' and see what happens then
If his mum is a doctor then she should at least be career minded? WhT does his dad do?

MatchMakers123 · 02/10/2020 09:49

Times have changed & there is the virus to consider now

At 17 I had a part time job, one evening & weekends & holidays
I was at 6th form
I joined the Duke of Edinburgh's award group & did loads of voluntary work & other activities, travel, charity work etc

I made friends from the PT job
I made friends from the DofE group

I really enjoyed my time

MadeForThis · 02/10/2020 10:06

I would be concerned about the suicide risk in this age group.

Telling him that he needs to grow up will not help.

He needs to learn to be more responsible but needs to be given the tools to do this. He needs coping strategies to help him to be more careful with his possessions. He needs to how to ensure he attends classes.

A job is a great idea. It would mean a new focus and a new environment. A fresh start where he isn't already perceived as lazy. It could also teach him that there is life and friends outside of the school environment.

Do his friends attend class? What are their grades like?

EvilPea · 02/10/2020 10:11

Does he have a part time job? Or get him some work experience.
I struggled at this age when I realised I couldn’t afford uni, it all felt pointless studying and I was just lost as their was no End goal.

Could it be similar? So he’s pigeon holed himself into law, realised it’s not for him, doesn’t know what is so is just messing everything up.

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