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School asking parents to subsidise cookery lessons

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jcoc147 · 01/10/2020 08:43

DS attends a special needs primary school with approximately 7 students per class.
The school have sent out a letter to all parents advising that they can no longer subsidise they children's weekly cookery class and asking for parents to pay £20 a term. This I have no problem with and completely understand how underfunded schools are etc, but the letter then goes on to say that if a child receives free school meals parents do not need to pay. Failure to pay for children who don't receive free school meals means that although they can participate in the lesson they will not be allowed to taste any of the food they make or bring any home.
We live in quite a deprived area and I know that every child in Ds class receives free school meals apart from my ds.
I am a single parent and earn just above the amount to be entitled to any help but money is very tight.

Sorry for the long story but my question is AIBU to think all parents should have to pay a smaller amount rather than the few parents who's children do not qualify for free meals being asked to pay.

OP posts:
HariboLectar · 01/10/2020 10:38

I read it as hot dogs and thought that was quite a low bar to set for luxury...

Me too Grin

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 01/10/2020 10:39

Hot tubs are the new wide-screen TVs it appears

And the latest concole and regular games Sad

HattonsMustard · 01/10/2020 10:39

I actually had to do a presentation on pupil premium.

Those that qualify for free school meals get pupil premium paid to the school. Schools have a duty to report on where they spend it but essentially,

It provides additional funding from the Government to publicly funded schools in England to raise the achievement levels of disadvantaged children. It is mainly provided to close the gap between those eligible for pupil premium and their peers.

Basically generally as a rule those who receive FSM are academically way behind their peers. (sweeping statement but based in some fact)

To highlight the gap, here are the national statistics I used

54% of non-FSM children achieve 5 A*-C grades a GCSE incl maths & English
only 27% on FSM achieve the same. 27%!

For 2016/17 funding the school gets for each child on FSM

Children in nursery £302.10
Children in reception up to year 6 are allocated £1,320
Children in year 7 up to year 11 are allocated £935

However a higher rate of £1,900 is awarded to
looked after children and previously looked after (now adopted)

In my own child's primary school this additional funding of over £100k was spent on some things that benefit all the children such asa speech therapist, all children who needed it had access. It is also spent on staff to manage behaviour to allow children to stay in the classroom, music lessons, school trips, equipment for the school etc.

I think a cooking class every week is a lovely thing. At the primary I volunteer in we probably only do one cooking thing for the whole year which takes place over a 3 week period with the planning out what they are making etc.

winterisstillcoming · 01/10/2020 10:40

Governor here. Schools cannot ask for money towards providing curriculum. Our school asks for a contribution to school trips, if they are a learning trip, says it's not compulsory but if not enough parents contribute, it will not go ahead. They do not penalise children who don't/can't pay. That's not inclusive..

However, if the school is an academy, they may have a policy where this can be done, in which case look at the inclusion policy.

CheetasOnFajitas · 01/10/2020 10:41

@IWantToBeMelissaWhenIGrowUp

"that although they can participate in the lesson they will not be allowed to taste any of the food they make or bring any home."

Am I missing something. Your DS will be the only DC allowed to taste the food (and take some home) while the other DC just look on?

My first thought in that situation wouldn't be about the £20 Hmm

Am I reading it wrongly? Apologies if so but on the face of it it sounds extremely uncomfortable and I would not be happy with it at all.

Yes, you are reading it wrongly. Kids who get free school meals can taste and eat all they want. Kids who don’t get FSM can only taste or eat if they pay.
WhatifIfeellikeacat · 01/10/2020 10:41

Hot dogsGrin

My DC used to be given a list of products to bring for the food tech lessons. I don't think we spent £20 a term. Also they didn't cook regularly so that's probably why.

SciFiScream · 01/10/2020 10:43

Does your school do any work related to the Cost of the School Day? Look it up online. We do lots regarding this at our Primary in Scotland (I'm not a teacher - parent volunteer)

For things like this the school would approach the Parent Council and ask them to pay. Parent Council's are very different from PTAs. They are a legal obligation in Scotland and members support the recruitment of staff etc.

Is there an equivalent at your school? The school must know you are the only one who has to pay, they are less likely to know the exact circumstances of your finances. Talk to them. Explain and see what options there are.

Marisishidinginmyattic · 01/10/2020 10:43

Participating in a cookery class has nothing to do with entitlement to free school meals.

As people have already explained for the ignorant among us, FSM is used as the measuring stick because the school receives the Pupil Premium money for those children which covers other financial costs for those children outside of the meals. So when they say children who receive FSM, they mean children who school receives PP for. Clearly not all people know about the link between the two so it’s easier for schools to say “children who get FSM” so parents know it means their children.

TL;DR Yes. It does.

SciFiScream · 01/10/2020 10:45

cpag.org.uk/projects/cost-school-day

SciFiScream · 01/10/2020 10:47

Looks like it might just be a Scottish initiative? One to take to rUK I think! It's a bloody brilliant campaign

cpag.org.uk/scotland/cost-of-the-school-day

Elsewyre · 01/10/2020 11:11

@Ohtherewearethen

I can understand why it seems so unfair. If you earned slightly less you'd be better off, which doesn't seem right. But your £20 won't be subsidising the others, the pupil premium funding will be. I do think it's very unreasonable of the school to say they will allow a child to participate in cookery but then snatch what they've made away from them, it's not like they can use it for anything else and the money would have been spent anyway! Imagine having to explain that to a small child! It just seems unnecessarily aggressive to say that on the initial letter.
Unless shes only 19 quid over the limit she wouldn't better off
winterisstillcoming · 01/10/2020 11:25

What cookery lesson costs £20? What are they cooking?

RepeatSwan · 01/10/2020 11:26

@winterisstillcoming

What cookery lesson costs £20? What are they cooking?
It is per term, so a couple of quid a week.

Mine have to take in ingredients, which of course we buy. I would love to just pay the school - much easier!

TheKeatingFive · 01/10/2020 11:26

£20 for the term

tara66 · 01/10/2020 11:27

That's nothing new. You are paying for the ingredients. I did cooking at school and so did my daughter - money was paid for cooking classes in
both cases.

movingonup20 · 01/10/2020 11:32

We always paid for cookery ingredients or sent them in (I preferred paying because it's a pain sending in one egg, 1 tsp baking powder etc. My dd did food tech gcse and it cost hundreds in ingredients which I did have to send in because madam chose French bistro as her theme, not Spanish like the rest of the class! Free school meal kids didn't have to pay but if other didn't they got sent to the library

chocorabbit · 01/10/2020 11:52

So what will they do with food which THAT kid cooked? throw it away wasting good food?

Our school asked for more money but nowhere did they mention about children effectively being punished for not having paid. In fact I don't even think the teachers know who paid and who didn't. In fact the letter's wording was very clear that if parents had financial problems they would have been under no compulsion to pay!

LindaEllen · 01/10/2020 11:53

To be honest, when I did food technology at high school, we always had to take our own ingredients. This will almost certainly have cost more than £20 a term, AND we had to do the shopping and carry the ingredients to school (and why oh why was it always on the same day as PE and my music lesson!)

I think having free cookery classes for any length of time was quite good.

I also think the issue is that you're the only one having to pay - which must feel pretty rubbish, right? But it's only by chance that you're the only one. Perhaps have a chat to the teacher about it.

Angelina82 · 01/10/2020 11:56

I’ve always had to pay for the ingredients for the kid’s ingredients for cookery classes even when they were receiving FSM. However I think you are unreasonable to begrudge others this perk.

user1471538283 · 01/10/2020 12:03

When I was at school we took ingredients in and the same for my DS. I would have much rather paid a contribution rather than buy all sorts of random things and use up only a little. I know it seems unfair. The uplift for FSM should be used for the enrichment of all children though. Are you sure the school is using this money for this? In your position I would approach the school and see if you can pay in instalments or less

JaJaDingDong · 01/10/2020 12:16

TBH, I would much preferred to have paid a set amount per term to avoid the early morning dash to Sainsbury's the morning after DC had informed me at 10pm the night before that they were cooking tomorrow, and she specifically needed a particular herb that's £10 per gram, and as rare as hens' teeth.

NoSleepInTheHeat · 01/10/2020 12:18

@saraclara I understand what you are saying. My point is that in a class where there is just one pupil asked to pay they could have asked for a couple of pounds contribution per family instead of asking just one family to contribute (while still using the same amount of FSM money).
£2-3 a term is surely affordable to 99% of families.

Or alternatively, and again keeping in mind there is only one family being asked to pay, refrained from the 'not being allowed to taste' comment.

Marisishidinginmyattic · 01/10/2020 12:23

@NoSleepInTheHeat

Why should parents who have such a low income they FSM have to pay anything just to make sure one family doesn't feel bad about not having such a low income that they are asked to pay? My mind boggles at this 😂

TheOrigRights · 01/10/2020 12:24

[quote NoSleepInTheHeat]@saraclara I understand what you are saying. My point is that in a class where there is just one pupil asked to pay they could have asked for a couple of pounds contribution per family instead of asking just one family to contribute (while still using the same amount of FSM money).
£2-3 a term is surely affordable to 99% of families.

Or alternatively, and again keeping in mind there is only one family being asked to pay, refrained from the 'not being allowed to taste' comment.[/quote]
But that would mean that the pupil premium money was being used to fund a child not eligible, which I'm sure is not allowed.
Surely the school have to account for where the pupil premium money is spent.

TheOrigRights · 01/10/2020 12:26

I also think the issue is that you're the only one having to pay - which must feel pretty rubbish, right?

If OP's child is the only one in the class not eligible for FSM then issues like this must come up ALL the time - paying for lunch, for school trips, for uniform.

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