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To think Nicola Sturgeon was never supposed to be so powerful?

55 replies

Mynameisjosiesmith · 29/09/2020 13:44

Scotland voted for a devolved government in the 1990s. A limited number of powers were develoved -e.g. health, education etc. Scotland has no second chamber, like the House of Lords. What the Scottish Parliament passes becomes law. Wind on to 2020 and Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Government (not even the Scottish Parliament) can unilaterally decide to impose a huge amount of restrictions on the Scottish people, even stricter than those in England. Even if you think Nicola and the SNP are doing a huge job, surely the extent of their power was never anticipated and is really quite outrageous? Yes, we are in unprecedented times but for me, the Scottish Government (again not Parliament) were never supposed to have such power. Scotland voted no to independence, yet our very freedoms rest entirely on Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP. I understand the UK government are also acting without consulting Parliament, never mind the House of Lords. However, they are the ultimate government of the UK. That's what all democratic processes above determined - the devolution vote and the independence vote. Scottish people have to have the entire fabric of their lives decided upon people who should not have the power to make such decisions. You might think Boris has got it all wrong and Nicola is doing better (take a look at the fiasco with Scottish students though!) However, the nature of our democracy makes the power given to Nicola &the SNP plain wrong in my view. For the record, I couldn't vote in the independence referendum as I wasn't in the country and never fully made my mind up on what I thought. So this isn't a anti-independence post. I'm just concerned a devolved government with limited powers is suddenly almighty. Nicola Sturgeon's address to the country last week left me uneasy. It was like a broadcast from the White House!

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FreeGlib · 29/09/2020 13:48

Was it, aye?

CitizenFame · 29/09/2020 13:50

I don’t like her, whether she was supposed to be ‘so powerful’ or not.

LouiseTrees · 29/09/2020 13:50

@FreeGlib

Was it, aye?
Howling! Grin
Heronwatcher · 29/09/2020 13:56

But the elected Uk government decided to devolve powers, including in the area of health, to the Scottish MSPs. So that decision was taken by the democratically elected government at Westminster who reserved other matters. So she’s just exercising the powers that the Westminster government have her.

nosswith · 29/09/2020 13:56

Devolved government in Scotland was everything devolved with exceptions, so yes. What was not expected was one party having such a large share of the vote and seats.

yetmorecomplaining · 29/09/2020 14:07

The same 'fiasco' with Scottish students is being replicated in England, the only difference being that Scottish students have been heading to University since the start of September, many of the English Students are only just heading there now.
1700 told to self isolate in Manchester
Manchester Students warned off Clubs

Like her or not, Nicola Sturgeon has been decisive and clear all the way through this pandemic, yes the restrictions in Scotland have been stronger but perhaps that is why the numbers are lower?

Boris has been a bumbling mess from the start right from his 'I shook all the coronavirus sufferers hands' debacle to supporting Dominic 'the rules don't apply to me' Cummings to 'whoops I shouldn't have said that and got my own rules wrong'.
Boris failed to clarify the rules

I know who I'd rather have in charge.

Also Health is a devolved issue and the Scottish Government has every right to set their own rules for it.

nibdedibble · 29/09/2020 14:12

@nosswith

Devolved government in Scotland was everything devolved with exceptions, so yes. What was not expected was one party having such a large share of the vote and seats.
I’m always surprised that the SNP seem to get it in the neck (not from you! To be clear) for holding seats...the Scottish Tories are nowhere, Scottish Labour is a farce. If anything, in a country like Scotland where there are still Labour voters and Conservative voters who are just ignored by their parties, we should be decrying those parties and not moaning about the SNP having too big a piece of the pie.
BashfulClam · 29/09/2020 14:17

The powers she has are given to her by Westminster.

To think Nicola Sturgeon was never supposed to  be so powerful?
Dreamersandwishers · 29/09/2020 14:19

I think these unprecedented times are exposing the flaws in our systems of government and in our way of living.
I agree, I would never have envisioned any First Minister, nor indeed Westminster PM, locking us up in our own homes, devastating the populations of our care homes, locking up our students and riding so roughshod over the freedoms we all hold dear.
It is troubling to review how, over the last 7 months, Ms Sturgeon has increasingly taken to using I instead of We when barking outside her orders ; but it is increasingly clear that the Cross-party Scottish Parliament does not have the depth and skill required to manage this crisis, and even if we had, the SNP are too small minded to take cross party advice.
Yet sadly, Westminster is proving no better...

yetmorecomplaining · 29/09/2020 14:20

@nosswith what you mean is 'no one expected the SNP to get such huge support and run the government'. Lets not forget that the first 3 Scottish Governments were led by Scottish Labour.

Thedogscollar · 29/09/2020 14:20

Far more impressive than Bojo by a country mile.

Mrsjayy · 29/09/2020 14:21

Ms Sturgeon the supervillan Confused you do know how devolution works don't you ?

TheQueef · 29/09/2020 14:23

She's the doppelganger of my exSiL (also a Scot) who I hate with a passion so I come in with bias here.
As much as I dislike her politics I do think she is doing well and so much better than the UK.
I never thought I'd be watching her and wishing I was under her dictat!

Unusual times considered the weight of the authority is too much for the current set up.

DingDongDenny · 29/09/2020 14:34

Thank God Nicola Sturgeon is in charge here. She actually cares about Scottish people unlike Boris who only cares about himself and his cronies

maggiecate · 29/09/2020 14:41

The parliament was designed to prevent big majorities of the like you see in Westminster and didn’t anticipate the collapse of Labour and the Lib Dems. That’s not the FMs fault. The devolved powers were agreed by Westminster and the people of Scotland voted for an SNP government via a system that is considerably more representative of the true sentiments on the ground than the UK Parliament.

I’m not a nationalist - have never voted for them - and voted against independence but I think she’s done reasonably well under the circumstances, has admitted that she’d do some things differently, and has been a model of clarity compared with Westminster. Being out in front of the media every day is a high risk strategy - she’s front and centre for any blame that’s to be dished out, and I’ve been impressed with her work ethic.

We had a UK government minister this morning saying she didn’t represent the North East and the PM not understanding the regulations his own government have put in place. If I’m going to have restrictions imposed I’d rather it was by someone who’s on top of their brief than by someone who is clearly winging it.

Mrsjayy · 29/09/2020 14:45

The pm bumbled his way through a news conference earlier the fool didn't understand his own rules and regulations!

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/09/2020 14:48

Sorry what? Im English. I hate the gender politics crap. But for the most part, there is an adult is in the room when she’s around.

ichifanny · 29/09/2020 14:50

Eh ? The SNP were voted in democratically by the Scottish public . Tough if you don’t like it . Nicola Sturgeon is a far better leader than Boris Johnston.

Blanca87 · 29/09/2020 14:51

Scottish gov had to pass the Covid-19 legislation through Scottish Parliament. So you are incorrect about your first point. That legislation could not be passed without it being passed by the Scottish Parliament. What is it with these anti Scottish government threads that are appearing on Mumsnet. It almost make you think the either Russian bots or the establishment journalist are starting to ramp this jock- phobia discourse before 2021 elections. 🤔

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 29/09/2020 14:52

Sorry what's that now?

I am a unionist through and through, but the Scottish Parliament's powers were pretty clear when they were devolved. Also she has no power in and of herself - the Scottish parliament can vote against her policies whenever it wants.

Venicelover · 29/09/2020 14:52

I think she is doing a good job in the main, (much more credible than BJ) but making it illegal for students to return home was a step too far imo.

MrsRonaldUlyssesSwanson · 29/09/2020 14:54

Personally I am thankful every day for Nicola, and also thankful that in Scotland we are somewhat protected from the car crash that is Boris et al trying to steer through this crisis. I don't think I'll ever get used to attitudes towards Scotland and Nicola in particular on Mumsnet. She's the first minister because the SNP have the majority in Scotland. It's believed that Yes is above 50% and has been for quite some time during this pandemic. The shift there has come from how we've seen Nicola responded to this crisis, along with the looming threat of a Brexit we didnt vote for. There is no effective opposition to the SNP in Scotland, we are politically moving further and further away from Westminster and the other parties are failing to respond to that.

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 29/09/2020 14:55

So your basic argument seems to be that the SNP are too effective? By, y'know, getting votes and stuff? Confused

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 29/09/2020 14:58

Since when is it illegal for students to return home? That's not true.

Students are being asked to stay in their accommodation if they should be isolating, which is what everyone else has to do.

Apart from that they can go home if they adhere to guidance.

www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-what-you-can-and-cannot-do/pages/students/

Don't just make crap up, you ruin your argument.

Venicelover · 29/09/2020 15:12

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel

Since when is it illegal for students to return home? That's not true.

Students are being asked to stay in their accommodation if they should be isolating, which is what everyone else has to do.

Apart from that they can go home if they adhere to guidance.

www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-what-you-can-and-cannot-do/pages/students/

Don't just make crap up, you ruin your argument.

Yes, they can now as the guidance was amended.

This was previously the stance until complaints flooded in:

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/coronavirus-students-scotland-ban-return-home-new-restrictions-b576284.html