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Mortgage and unemployment

80 replies

Pixxie7 · 23/09/2020 23:06

People who have been made unemployed because of Covid should be entitled to help with their mortgage if they have to go onto UC.

OP posts:
Lazypuppy · 24/09/2020 08:56

If you have a mortgage you should have income protection which pays your mortgage for a certain number of months if you lose your job.

Babyroobs · 24/09/2020 08:58

Op I think they will end up reducing the wait for claiming Support for mortgage interest. It's normally a nine month wait but in times of recession previously they have reduced it to 3 months. I think they will do something like this again. They do not pay your mortgage for you, they just pay the interest and it needs to be paid back in the future.

Lurchermom · 24/09/2020 08:58

Loving all the replies about redundancy insurance - you literally can't get it at the moment. So if you've remortgaged recently or bought a house and got a new mortgage it's physically impossible to get that. And I'd put money on previously bought RI not covering covid! Given most other insurances have done their best to weasel out of it...

WeAllHaveWings · 24/09/2020 08:59

Buying a home is likely to be the biggest purchase anyone makes and they should look at the risks they are willing to take and insure appropriately (death, critical illness, redundancy) when they buy.

If they decided to take the risk and not have insurance why should the government and the tax payer bail them out?

Home owners are different from renters. They (hopefully) have equity in the house and if they can no longer afford to pay their mortgage they can either release that equity, or sell and have that equality to help them rent. A renter who cannot afford to rent has absolutely nothing to fall back on.

RedRumTheHorse · 24/09/2020 09:01

You cannot get redundancy insurance if you are self-employed and this includes the people whose main income comes from self-employment.

Your best bet is to talk to your mortgage provider as due to previous economic slumps they realise it is best to give you payment holidays and them get you to sell the property.

TrulyOutrageousJem · 24/09/2020 09:02

@Happyhippy99

I looked into purchasing a policy but I would not be covered for redundancy. I bought my house just as lockdown hit so it was never an option.

www.independent.co.uk/money/income-protection-insurance-a9707756.html

jeff1965 · 24/09/2020 09:05

You used to be able to get the interest paid (precalculated at a certain %) however a few years ago that changed to interest paid but it was a loan in I believe some kind of charge on the property. I think it's still going but you have a wait X amount of months before you are eligible

Elsewyre · 24/09/2020 09:05

[quote LittlePickleHead]@Elsewyre how do you remortgage if you don't have a job? [/quote]
Contact your lender first see what you can negotiate

After that it varies by country it's not unified in the uk

www.gov.uk/support-for-mortgage-interest

England gets interest only support Scotland Wales and ni have other options

www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/government-help-if-you-cant-pay-your-mortgage

Till the end of October theres also the mortgage holiday

www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/uk-coronavirus-help-and-your-rights/#mortgage

Babyroobs · 24/09/2020 09:06

@jeff1965

You used to be able to get the interest paid (precalculated at a certain %) however a few years ago that changed to interest paid but it was a loan in I believe some kind of charge on the property. I think it's still going but you have a wait X amount of months before you are eligible
Yes it is still going but it is normally that you have to be on UC for nine months with zero income to qualify for it. However I think the government will have to reduce that waiting period to avoid mass repossessions.
Elsewyre · 24/09/2020 09:12

The main problem is most things require preparation not "oh shit it's gone wrong what now"

You can "insure" yourself for a lot of things by taking out a 0% 3 year money transfer credit card take the balance stick it in savings account/bonds/fixed income investment, at the end of 3 years pay off the card pocket any accumulated income. Rinse and repeat.

Means you have to have the will power not to touch the money though but if you have a house with some equity 10k credit is shockingly easy to get and enough to keep the mortgage ticking over for some months in an emergancy.

NoSleepInTheHeat · 24/09/2020 09:15

@ShellsAndSunrises

I agree that people need help, but this creates a dangerous precedent of “worthy” reasons to be unemployed, and “not worthy” ones.

Surely everyone who is unemployed and entitled to help deserves the same help?

Exactly! We already had furlough, even though UC was good enough for people loosing their job pre-Covid.

Covid will affect all of us, stop believing that the state should/will cover any shortfall, there is no point, we'll have to pay it back anyway. If you loose your job, due to Covid or not, you will suffer the consequences, might have to downsize etc : this is what happens to people all the time!

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 24/09/2020 09:21

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Fralla · 24/09/2020 09:22

@contrmary

YANBU, renters get their rent paid to keep a roof over their head (and to pay off the mortgage of the landlord in many cases) so mortgage holders should get similar benefits.
But renters won't get help if they have more than £16,000 (I think that's the limit) in assets, they'd be expected to sell them first.

So surely that should be the same with home owners? If they have equity of more than £16,000 in the house, they shouldn't be able to claim benefits?

cyclingmad · 24/09/2020 09:27

Given that we are bailing out the Queen ffs 😤 think helping people should be the priority. That money could of been used to help lots of people instead.

NoSleepInTheHeat · 24/09/2020 09:28

It makes more sense to enable those who are temporarily unemployed because of the current situation to keep their homes so once the situation is back to normal we can recover economically more quickly.

Genuine question, if they have to sell their home and buy something smaller, or even rent, how will it make it harder for the economy to recover?

Loving all the replies about redundancy insurance - you literally can't get it at the moment. So if you've remortgaged recently or bought a house and got a new mortgage it's physically impossible to get that
So you mean people who bought a home after March? Surely they know there was a pandemic going on and must have known jobs might be at risk but they were happy to take the gamble?
Anyway, realistically you have to admit that most people without insurance didn't buy/remortgage when insurance wasn't available, they just didn't want to pay for it and took a gamble.

GrapeSodas · 24/09/2020 09:29

I'd be happy for people to get this help generally if made redundant but not with your idea of people made redundant due to covid being considered more deserving and getting special treatment

ChaChaCha2012 · 24/09/2020 09:34

Genuine question, if they have to sell their home and buy something smaller, or even rent, how will it make it harder for the economy to recover?

Most people don't have enough equity to buy a smaller house outright, and they're not going to get another mortgage whilst unemployed. So they'll have all the costs of selling, zero security for the future, and be a greater burden on the state.

Imloosingmyshit · 24/09/2020 09:35

I totally disagree with dwp or more specifically, the Secretary of State idea that renters should get maximum help from start of claim, but mortgage holders have to wait 9 months for MINIMAL help. Both cases have signed a legally binding ageeement to pay a monthly amount to a creditor, so it really doesn’t make sense. However, their take on it is, wait for it——. “ making mortgage holders wait for help will incentivise them to get to work sooner rather than later” inferring that renters are somehow not as academically minded as mortgage holders. It’s outrageous and something I never ever agreed with and struggles to explain to claimants.

Timeforabiscuit · 24/09/2020 09:37

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that servicing a mortgage is far, far cheaper than renting from a landlord.

Government could introduce a loan scheme to cover the mortgage interest payment (thus keeping the house) and then charge additional interest on the loan. This could be tiered to the house value, so you extend the government interest loan past the value of the house.

Redundant people keep their homes, banks get the interest covered so no defaults, government makes some money out of it.

Timeforabiscuit · 24/09/2020 09:38
  • so you CAN'T extend the loan past the value of the house.
Elsewyre · 24/09/2020 09:43

@ChaChaCha2012

Genuine question, if they have to sell their home and buy something smaller, or even rent, how will it make it harder for the economy to recover?

Most people don't have enough equity to buy a smaller house outright, and they're not going to get another mortgage whilst unemployed. So they'll have all the costs of selling, zero security for the future, and be a greater burden on the state.

As long as they have 16k after the sale they wont be eligible for state support so no burden
NoSleepInTheHeat · 24/09/2020 09:58

@ChaChaCha2012

Genuine question, if they have to sell their home and buy something smaller, or even rent, how will it make it harder for the economy to recover?

Most people don't have enough equity to buy a smaller house outright, and they're not going to get another mortgage whilst unemployed. So they'll have all the costs of selling, zero security for the future, and be a greater burden on the state.

Costs of selling and zero security won't impact the economy, only the individuals. If lots of people sell, then prices will go down and today's renters with 'zero security' will be able to buy. So from a society point of view there is no real impact, Tom loses his security but Jenny gains it.

Re being a burden on the state I understand your point, but either they can find another job in a short amount of time so won't be 'a burden' for long OR they can't find another job for a while which means helping with the mortgage now is only delaying the problem (at a huge cost!) as I imagine nobody is suggesting this mortgage help to last forever.

Whammyyammy · 24/09/2020 10:01

Agree, as the alternative is moving in to private rent, claiming HB, thus paying something else's mortgage??
Where as paying interest ob current house until employment is gained, would reduce the strain all round.

LittlePickleHead · 24/09/2020 12:02

Those saying that those who cannot pay their mortgage should sell, pocket the cash and rent or downsize are being very optimistic that this will be possible. We're not talking about a few people, we're talking about the likelihood of this happening en masse, with the resulting drop in house prices when multiple people are forced to sell at the same time.

So you will likely see a rise in those unable to repay the outstanding mortgage amount, possible having to declare bankruptcy and then being a burden on the state. Also, are there enough private rentals that take HB to house everyone this would affect?

Yes some may then capitalise on this and buy up property at a low price, but let's be realistic, is that likely to be long term renters who can suddenly afford a property (who are also likely to be hard hit by the economic downturn, and will likely need higher deposit at lower multiples of lending), or is it likely to be cash rich individuals who already have a rental property portfolio?

Anyway as others have said, between the banks themselves and the government there is likely to be some support available.

We are lucky in that we a) have income insurance and b) have enough savings to tide us over for a while in the case of both of us losing our jobs, but I am well aware the vast majority are not so lucky, particularly those that bought quite recently.

I also don't see the issue with those affected by the current situation being treated differently - we are in unprecedented times and the previous rules (where it would have been more possible for someone to find a job and sort themselves out) aren't necessarily fit for purpose now

Greentulips1 · 24/09/2020 12:37

@Lazypuppy

If you have a mortgage you should have income protection which pays your mortgage for a certain number of months if you lose your job.
This!

Although I was actually refused income protection insurance due to a historical back injury. We instead put some money aside in case we ever encountered a redundancy, although I appreciate not everyone can do this.

Does anyone know (more out of curiosity) if redundancy insurance is the same as income protection insurance?