People use the economy argument when is convenient (Brexit vs Covid), AIBU?

[Lua]

London School of Economics published a study today that "No-deal Brexit will cost UK more than Covid"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/23/no-deal-brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-covid-report

I suspect the same people that are here complaining that covid-concerned people are destroying the economy, are the same people brandishing for brexit at all costs.

YANBU - yes, , most people's position on covid and brexit are mainly ideological and fact are twisted as needed.

YABU - No, there is a perfectly logical argument to worry about the effect of covid meassures on the economy, but not of a no-deal brexit (even though the latter will likely be twice as large)

There's no need to tell us how to vote. Why do people do that?

It is perfectly possible to worry about both Brexit( I'm about as anti-Brexit as you can get) and the impact of these measures. I see no correlation between the two.

The correlation is that people that are in favour of brexit is also against many of the covid-protecting meassures (usually by arguing it will destroy the economy)

That's far from true in my experience.

I am worried of both, but even more about brexit, because I think the givernment handling of covid is a small preview of the shit show to come...

If you ask 100 experts for their view on their area of expertise, you will get around 100 answers, depending on their corner of their field, political views and who or what they depend on for their livelihoods and career progression.

I heard Mervyn King, ex governor of the Bank of England, and now presumably only dependent on his pension fund, say that Brexit probably wouldn't make much difference really in the long run. Which is probably true of more things than we think. He did say that in his view it would probably be better rather than worse for the UK.

That's far from true in my experience.

Fair enough, that is what I am curious about it...

Sorry 100 different answers.

Most people who are anti-Brexit are because of its disastrous effects on our economy.

Why on Earth would those same people not be concerned about the effects lockdown measures would have on our economy?!

In my experience, those who are screeching “WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” And advocating burning down the homes of anyone with a tickle in their throat tend to also be those who think refugees come across in yachts to steal child benefit. 🤷‍♀️

Yes I’m aware there’s some exaggeration going on in my examples.

Far from true IME as well. Personally, I've always found no-deal Brexit to be the most massive threat to the economy (always been a remainer).

@amicissimma - that is fine, but did he demonstrate with numbers or a clear argument, or is it just his gut feeling?

I am surprised that people don't see anything to be learnt from what we are experiencing right now, and what may happen in a few weeks....
It will be the same government handling these situations, with lots of evidence of gloom in one side, and positive optimism for the possible less likely outcomes in the other side. Sure, there might be a 10% chance that brexit would be for the best... and this might happen...but it is unlikely.

I don't see a correlation between attitude to Covid and attitude to Brexit, although it makes sense to expect that people who are generally rather apprehensive will fear the worst from each and that people who are more confident will not think that either are quite such a big threat. I'm not saying that confident people don't think that Covid is a nasty virus and Brexit will not have its challenges, though.

Where is the vote for worried about both equally? Covid is sharp fast disaster to economy but Brexit will be a slow burn of a disaster to economy. You can’t really compare the two directly.

@mummyoneboy19 -
Why on Earth would those same people not be concerned about the effects lockdown measures would have on our economy?!

I am saying exactly the opposite... (I guess I am terrible post writer...)
I am saying that people that want to keep everything open with no measures in place to "protect the economy" are the same people puching for a brexit that will have a much larger impact.

@Lua

I don’t think that your assertion is, on the whole, correct though.

Well I’m against Brexit but also against draconian measures against Covid. Both are bad for the economy. Your analysis Is an oversimplification if 2 very complex issues.

It was his opinion based on his years of experience in the sector, including as Governor of the Bank of England where he was asked to provide opinions based on what he saw, which would influence Government policies.

As we know, numbers and 'clear arguments' can be used to support any position the arguer wishes.

Yeah, I don’t agree that there’s a pattern of people who favour Brexit also being against Covid . But I totally agree that the government handling of the current crisis is a forerunner of the crap to come. Also have a concern that we are being too slow to open up the rest of the NHS , so we can have an excuse for more privatisation. Already seeing that in dentistry here.
Totally against Brexit in all its forms, but very concerned about a) No deal Brexit and b) reneging on previously agreed terms. I think both will do untold harm to our economic recovery.
Also very concerned about several of the Covid measures - but I am in Scotland where it seems no one in government has an understanding of economics anyway.

I'm anti-Brexit, anti-draconian Covid measures (I want as many workplaces to remain open as possible, including schools), and studied Economics at University. I am worried about the economy, but can also acknowledge that it will probably be ok in the long run, because the market will eventually correct itself. Likely to be quite shit while that happens though.

Ok. Let me try a different way:

How can people that argue economic impact of covid is more important than any other concern for individual's well-being , and then happily support a no-deal brexit?

It seems like there are plenty of people in this group, and I cannot understand how?!

Brexit probably wouldn't make much difference really in the long run

Interesting use of 'in the long run' when the immediate presenting concerns are additional paperwork needed, which given it hasn't even been agreed (never mind whether the UK have any credibility left on agreements) is likely to slow traffic at the border, leading to long delays and scuppering anyone relying on JIT manufacturing.

Wasn't it Keynes who said 'in the long run we are all dead'?