To report to SS?

[AmeliaBonez]

Would you report to SS if a person had a very young baby in a pub at 9pm at night with a group of unsavoury characters that were kicked out of the pub recently? Baby is already on CP with heavy SS involvement.

It's important to identify exactly what the risk is to the baby.....

It would depend how the baby was being cared for. If the mother was attentive, kept the baby with her at all times and wasn’t drunk then I wouldn’t think too much of it. If mum leaves baby screaming in a pram in one corner while she’s in another getting drunk and loud with her friends then yes, absolutely I would report.

If you know there's already a social worker involved, I would, they're involved for a reason and it's helpful for them to know the full picture

Especially as it's child protection, that's quite a threshold to reach

😔 poor baby.

@AmyandPhilipfan

It would depend how the baby was being cared for. If the mother was attentive, kept the baby with her at all times and wasn’t drunk then I wouldn’t think too much of it. If mum leaves baby screaming in a pram in one corner while she’s in another getting drunk and loud with her friends then yes, absolutely I would report.

This ^^ definitely

All you've said so far is she was in a pub with a baby.

She isn’t supposed to be exposing the baby to these people. She has some strict rules set out by SS. I don’t want to be a busy body or make things harder for her than they already are but I’m so concerned about this baby. She was thrown out of the pub recently herself.

If baby already has a social worker and is on a CP plan, yes inform them. Being in a pub isn't a risk. The mother allowing her baby to be around people who have been identified as posing a risk to him/her is a concern. It means that the plan isn't working.

As you believe she is going against the direct restrictions of the plan then yes I would report.

@AmeliaBonez

She isn’t supposed to be exposing the baby to these people. She has some strict rules set out by SS. I don’t want to be a busy body or make things harder for her than they already are but I’m so concerned about this baby. She was thrown out of the pub recently herself.

Yes I this instance I think you need to let them know

Absolutely, if the child is subject to a child protection plan and the mother is not able to prioritise her child’s needs before her own then social workers should be aware.

The pub itself is a bit of a red herring here. It is the mother bringing her baby into company with people who might cause harm that is the issue. Report for that.

The pub bit is irrelevant because it doesn’t matter where she was or what time she was there. The problem here is she is exposing her child to people who ss have told her not to, if that is actually the case. I would report for that.

Yes, I'd report. It's in the child's best interests and the baby can't speak for itself. It's people like you who provide it's voice.
Report.

Yes absolutely. 💯 Put the baby before anything and anyone else. This isn’t an ordinary mum taking her child to the pub, this a a child already on a child protection plan who is surrounded by people they shouldn’t be exposed to.

Yes, absolutely in those circumstances.

I think you are mixing up several issues. Being in the pub with a baby - fine. Mother being drunk in charge of baby - not fine. Not meeting the baby's needs, whether in pub or not - not fine. Allowing people to be around the baby who are not allowed to be - not fine.

Turn it around: why wouldn’t you?

The pub isn't relevant, it's the fact you say she's not meant to be meeting with the people she was with ordered by ss. In those circumstances yes I would report

Yes. Do it. The mother isn’t adhering to the plan. It’s not some sort of fun exercise plan you might want to follow, it’s a plan that she has to follow to avoid further intervention by SS.

Some parents are unable to prioritise the needs of their DC and this sounds like such a case. SWs need to know what’s happening to protect that child.