To hope the Irish online abuse law gets made in the uk

[vkocy]

By Christmas in Ireland it will be a criminal offense to stalk or harras someone online. This will protect the Irish instamums who have their life ripped to shreds on places like Mumsnet and tattle. Shouldn't this be made law in the UK also? Just because someone is on Instagram it doesn't mean you should be allowed to say whatever you want about them

Absolutely agree about the stalking and harassment. It's not ok.

That will not stop people talking about them. Obviously. Anything gets positive AND negative reactions. So do public figures. You put yourself up there you cannot possibly expect just cute rainbow unicorn fart reactions.

@vkocy

By Christmas in Ireland it will be a criminal offense to stalk or harras someone online. This will protect the Irish instamums who have their life ripped to shreds on places like Mumsnet and tattle. Shouldn't this be made law in the UK also? Just because someone is on Instagram it doesn't mean you should be allowed to say whatever you want about them

So you will only be able to say nice things about people in the public eye and you won't be able to criticize them in any way no matter how constructive that criticism may be? Okay then.

NFW will I ever hope or support stupid censorship rules or laws or thought police because someone wants to monetise their lives and their children online but only wants to hear nicey nice. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat.

I would, however, 100% support rules or laws that make it entirely illegal to monetise your minor children and a ban on shows like the Radfords or Yorkshire Farm or parents on SM using their children to make money.

Well no you could be critical but in a constructive and helpful way.

Any comments about appearance or someone's ability to parent are abusive and should rightfully be offlimits.

Just because someone is a public figure it doesn't mean they are allowed to be publicly abused

Source?

Also I don't think what happens on here could be classed as stalking or harassment.

"Any comments about appearance or someone's ability to parent are abusive and should rightfully be offlimits."

That's not harassment or stalking

I think you are being way too unrealistic about what constitutes harassment and stalking.

It is NOT that someone wrote something not nice about someone else. It is not that someone says that someone is shit parent for doing x and y.

@vkocy

Well no you could be critical but in a constructive and helpful way.

Any comments about appearance or someone's ability to parent are abusive and should rightfully be offlimits.

Just because someone is a public figure it doesn't mean they are allowed to be publicly abused

No, they should not. And I'm glad I don't live in a ridiculous nanny state like that where people put themselves in the public eye to make money and then seek to control how others perceive them or they cry foul and expect the government to protect their ickle feelings. Abuse, my arse. Shallow 'Instamums' feeling hard done by when people who state that biological sex is real are subjected to rape and death threats. Give over!

Following someone's Instagram and looking at every post in order to tear them to bits is the dictionary definition of stalking and harassing!

If you don't like someone, hit unfollow

There's a horrible thread about the Radford's here at the moment

This is a link to an interview with the lady who instigated it as a result of her daughter dying by suicide following persistent bullying.

It's persistent bullying/harassment/stalking. Not off the cuff remarks I believe.

For example this is the current law covering the offence of harassment under the non fatal offences against the person act 1997

"10.—(1) Any person who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, by any means including by use of the telephone, harasses another by persistently following, watching, pestering, besetting or communicating with him or her, shall be guilty of an offence.

(2) For the purposes of this section a person harasses another where—

(a) he or she, by his or her acts intentionally or recklessly, seriously interferes with the other's peace and privacy or causes alarm, distress or harm to the other, and

(b) his or her acts are such that a reasonable person would realise that the acts would seriously interfere with the other's peace and privacy or cause alarm, distress or harm to the other."

Commenting on another actions to other people and not directing it towards them certainly doesn't reach the threshold.

And even commenting directly on there behaviour on their own social media pages would not unless done in a manner intended to seriously interfere with their peace or privacy.

Going to be very hard to argue you're interfering with someone's privacy by commenting on something they publish for public consumption and financial renumeration

@vkocy

Following someone's Instagram and looking at every post in order to tear them to bits is the dictionary definition of stalking and harassing!

If you don't like someone, hit unfollow

There's a horrible thread about the Radford's here at the moment

It's 'horrible' to feel that it was wrong of a legal adult impregnating a 13-year-old? Dear god.

Unbelievable. So glad we don't live in a draconian nanny state like that.

It's not a nanny state, people. Nor it is draconian.

It's just an op who doesn't understand what constitutes harassment, bullying and stalking.

I don't know where jurisdiction begins and ends though. I was mercilessly bullied and stalked online years ago by a 'lady' in a different country and her friends. I don't know whether she could have been pursued as she was outside the jurisdiction.

Also, OP. Bit distasteful that you actually made law named after a girl who killed herself due to extreme bullying into something about instamums. You could have at least have a fucking decency to mention her. Shame on you. Now I finally found it and read it.
Shame. On. You.

Well no you could be critical but in a constructive and helpful way. Any comments about appearance or someone's ability to parent are abusive and should rightfully be offlimits.

People like you scare me, OP.

It's 'horrible' to feel that it was wrong of a legal adult impregnating a 13-year-old? Dear god.

I had to check because it didn't seem possible (and I had no idea who the Radfords were) but yep, OP's go to example of what should be banned is a thread suggesting that child rape is morally wrong.

SchrodingersImmigrant Do you have a link to the proposed legislation?

@SorryImKnew i got article www.newstalk.com/news/cocos-law-online-abuse-1077178

I don't know which newspapers in ireland are ok or not so sorry if I accidentally attached version of The Scum or smth😂 Don't have a link to proposed legislation directly

Yabu.

Don't want to live in a nanny state. And I support freedom of speech.

People who want to make money by putting themselves and their children in the public eye can't expect to receive only positive comments.

The Law Commission has proposed a similar law in the UK - see www.scl.org/news/12049-law-commission-proposes-changes-to-communication-offences

and the government published its online harms white paper to get the social media platforms to act, too, but I guess it's been a bit busy with Brexit and covid.

But following people on insta is the point of insta. Both for the people posting, and the people commenting.

Now yes, it's not pleasant all the time, and sure, if you're commenting on every pic to say nasty things, then yes, that crosses a line, but isn't that why blocking exists?

Pileons, again, aren't nice, but they aren't stalking. Stalking surely requires one person being persistent?

If they dont like people intruding on their private life they could always get a job that doesnt involve whoring out their private life

@raddledoldmisanthropist

Well no you could be critical but in a constructive and helpful way. Any comments about appearance or someone's ability to parent are abusive and should rightfully be offlimits.

People like you scare me, OP.

Making it uncomfortable to have accountability nfor your online actions is it??