School kids lunch account. Thumbprint biometric.

[monkeysox]

Aibu in thinking that continuing to use such a system with hundreds of kids passing through a dining all (albeit a year group at a time) is fucking ridiculous.
All touching same pad. Not being wiped each time.
Have seen this in two.schools recently.

In my school they are disabled. The lunch staff are asking names and typing them in instead.

Both my children take a bottle of hand sanitiser with them just in case.

Withold consent, I always do why?
My DDs high school has a card system that you top up online, have had for years, saves lost ££

My son's school normally have a card system but due to covid break time snacks are not being sold and lunches have to be pre ordered and paid through the online system

My sons school have changed to contactless cards.

@SBTLove

Withold consent, I always do why? My DDs high school has a card system that you top up online, have had for years, saves lost ££

Mine too, but my dc use it with a PIN and not their biometric data. The school policy makes it clear this is an option, and it's the option our family prefers.

We’re using thumb prints. Pupils hands are sinitized before using and dinner lady wipes it after use.

They need to stop using this ASAP!

My kids school have shut the canteen and they all have to take packed lunches, I'd rather they opened it back up and used their thumbs tbh

Just to add, at my school print readers are disabled - we give the person on the till our name to have the amount deducted from our account.

For those claiming that fingerprint templates can't be reversed, I'd like to refer you to a 2019 paper by Professor Marta Gomze-Barrero and Javier Galbally titled 'Reversing the irreversible: A survey on inverse biometrics' where (summarizing a meaningful body of research) they state “It is now an accepted fact that it is possible to reconstruct from an unprotected template a synthetic sample that matches the bona fide one”.

As someone with multiple decades of involvement in security, I won't be giving my consent to use biometrics for anything much other than travel.

@safariboot

Today I Learned schoolchildren have to have their fingerprints taken in order to get fed .

Yes it is completed wrong and raises a lot of privacy concerns as well.

@yellowmaoampinball

My kids school tell them to use hand sanitiser after using it.

Surely they should be using hand sanitizer BEFORE using it (as well as afterwards) ...!

Ds's secondary had moved to a pre order system, it was brought in really quickly during lockdown one.

They Pre-order/pay in an app on their mobile the night before or anytime up to 11am on the day.

Then their lunch gets delivered to their wellbeing classrooms where they can eat in or outdoors weather depending.

Brilliant system working really well.

my DH school use thumb print bio metric as a sign in between the boarding houses and school campus but this was all stopped at the beginning of the pandemic.

@Suggee

For those claiming that fingerprint templates can't be reversed, I'd like to refer you to a 2019 paper by Professor Marta Gomze-Barrero and Javier Galbally titled 'Reversing the irreversible: A survey on inverse biometrics' where (summarizing a meaningful body of research) they state “It is now an accepted fact that it is possible to reconstruct from an unprotected template a synthetic sample that matches the bona fide one”.

As someone with multiple decades of involvement in security, I won't be giving my consent to use biometrics for anything much other than travel.

The thread is an old one about covid transmission from the readers, what has that got to do with reversing the templates?

My boys’ school have stopped the thumbprint system and gone back to a contactless card system. It seems to be working well. Each year group has a different lunch time, start time and end of day time and every year group has a separate set of classrooms to use, so they keep the year group ‘bubbles’ separate all day.

@FlyingBurrito

There are a few replies stating things like "Biometric prints aren't stored as a print - the print goes through an algorithm and the result is stored - not the actual print." .

Hmmmmm

My thumbprints don't work, have to use a pass code to unlock my phone (except sometimes it will work for a day or two over the course of a year) and I thought I was going to be sent back on the next flight by US Immigration as it took 3 staff members trying to get my finger print before they got a satisfactory one.

I hope that school has a manual override!