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To think he gets excessively dirty?

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jeezlooise · 16/09/2020 18:13

Almost 4 year old just started at a school nursery, before this he was at a private nursery from the age of 1.
I don't think I'm being precious, but the state he comes home from nursery in is absolutely disgusting (like nothing I saw in the 3 years at his old nursery)
To begin with is just the plain filth, his fingernails are black, his clothes covered from head to toe in paint, glitter, soaking wet sleeves still wet from water play which they only had out in the AM, and he's there all day.
His arms, legs and face and hair are plastered in dirt/black dust, paint, glue.
His hair is full of sand, paint, shaving foam.
I am having to wash his trainers once a week as they are absolutely vile, luckily they are old trainers and old clothes, but I can't bear him looking so filthy.
Today to top it off he came home with skidders in his pants, and his hands absolutely stank of poo.
He's also dribbled wee in his pants at some point as he stinks of urine and his bits are red and sore.
I understand that kids get dirty at nursery, he's been at nursery for 3 years before this, but they would wash his hands for him and had nail brushes, use wet wipes on his face for food/paint/snot/grime, check him on the toilet.
Am I expecting too much from a school nursery where the ratio is 1:8?
I am absolutely fine with him getting dirty and having fun, we do forest school/messy play etc on a weekly basis, but if he is caked in mud/paint etc then I'll at least give him a wipe down and help him wash his hands instead of leaving it all day.
I'm not fine with him coming home unhygienic and smelly. He eats snack and lunch with filthy hands/nails as I've seen photos on his learning diary.

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chunkyrun · 16/09/2020 19:57

I'd expect them to help with toileting if they can't manage themselves just yet. Hand washing also. The rest is a sign of a good day

jeezlooise · 16/09/2020 20:01

So perhaps I'm not being OTT then. I have a bit of a sick bug phobia so never know if I'm over reacting or not.
Like I said the dust/mud/paint/glue don't concern me too much, but I do think they should have a teacher closely supervising hand washing.
Even now after almost 4 years he doesn't rub the soap in properly, or wash it off properly, or wash the back of his hands and in between his fingers and that's with me stood right behind him. But then his sister is nearly 6 and needs reminding to do it properly every single time too.
I try to teach him and remind him every single time, but then I also rub the soap in for him after he's attempted it himself and make sure he's washed the grime off properly before drying them.
I don't even know if they have wet wipes for faces? I know at his old nursery they had individual flannels, but at this nursery he comes home at 3pm with lunch still plastered all over his face.

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WhatwouldJudydo · 16/09/2020 20:05

I work in a preschool and I also had my own child that was a messy one - think painted blue hair and mud kitchen all over his top! I think a bit of paint and shaving foam/glitter in hair is okay - if it's really bad we would wash it, skid marks in pants possibly he's taken himself and teachers didn't see. However the hands smelling of poo is a no no for me, wet trousers and also wet sleeves. Due to COVID the kids wash their hands before snack, after toilet (we just have someone stationed there now) and before going home so even more so atm that shouldn't be happening and suggest he hasn't been supervised which is worrying following the current guidelines!

CausingChaos2 · 16/09/2020 20:05

You’re definitely not overreacting. If a child was sent to school in the state your DS is returning home in, I’m afraid I’d report it as a safeguarding issue.

UnacceptableOrNot · 16/09/2020 20:05

I'd be really annoyed about it too. He looks filthy in that photo. No doubt if you took your child to nursery in that state they'd be reporting you to child protection, yet they think it's ok to send him home filthy.

There are a couple of childminders that live near me and I often see them on the school run with the kids they look after looking absolutely filthy after being with them all day. I'd be ashamed to let a child I was looking after get that filthy.

Southernsoftie76 · 16/09/2020 20:07

Oh good god no and I’m not a germ freak. Not on, poor boy.

jeezlooise · 16/09/2020 20:13

Yep, he honestly looks neglected when I collect him.
I'll give it another few days and mention it.
I did notice today that lots of children come out looking pretty similar, and I'm sure nursery think it's a sign of a good day, but he just looks uncared for!
I just don't want to be that moaning mum, "can you make sure he wipes his bum?" "Can you supervise hand washing?" "Can you wipe snot and crusty food off his face?" "Can you make sure he's not sat in dribbly wee pants?"
I can hand on heart say that in 3 years at his old nursery I never had to make a single comment like that to them, it was just a given it would be done.

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tara66 · 16/09/2020 20:42

Mine had to wear a sort of cotton clothing ''overall'' or pinafore for dd that cover protected their ordinary clothes, they also had indoor and out door shoes. They never came home dirty etc. I think you should move him asap and complain.

Mellonsprite · 16/09/2020 20:48

I was going to say you are being a bit precious, but absolutely not from that photo!
Poo stench on hands is absolutely gross, sick bugs will be rife from that!

jeezlooise · 16/09/2020 20:50

We've had to provide painting shirts for them. His painting shirt is sparkling clean on his peg, and he is filthy!!! Again I think they are encouraged to be independent and get their own painting shirt if they think they'll get dirty, but what 3 year old would think about putting a painting shirt on before diving in?!
The paint thing is irritating, as some of his clothes are now ruined when he could have worn an apron, and even though they were cheap nursery clothes I'd still like them to look semi presentable after a week of him wearing them, but he's having fun so I don't want to make a fuss about that.
It's more the hygiene side of it.

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Twigletfairy · 16/09/2020 20:55

My 3 year old gets filthy at nursery too, she has specific nursery clothes for that reason.

I don't care how dirty she gets, when she leaves I expect her to leave with a clean face and washed hands. Sometimes there may be a little fresh snot, but if they notice while handing her over they will grab her a tissue to blow her nose.

Toobe · 16/09/2020 20:55

Definitely speak to nursery sooner rather than later. That’s not messy after a fun day, that’s filthy.

Minimumstandard · 16/09/2020 21:03

Muddy and messy is one thing...DS comes home caked in paint and mud. Pooey, urine-covered and snotty is quite another. That's neglect. YANBU.

Mammyloveswine · 16/09/2020 21:20

I'm a nursery teacher, as I'm a qualified teacher my ratio is 1:13...

I never send children home dirty! Yes they might have a paint splodge on their T-shirt or slightly blue haves from food colouring in the water tray but if your son is as filthy as you say on a 1:8 ratio I'd be asking serious questions about supervision!!

The toileting issues.. how is he at home wiping his bottom? He won't be checked like he was in a private nursery so this is a skill you need to practice! I don't supervise my nursery children going to the toilet!

But a chat with the teacher I definitely think needs to be organised!

jeezlooise · 16/09/2020 22:00

He wipes at home, but we have flushable wipes which I make him put in a pedal bin after, so he's probably not as efficient with toilet paper.
He does get poo on his hands occasionally, but I'm supervising and they get scrubbed with antibac soap after every wee and poo so his hands never normally smell pooey.
If I left him to wash his own hands he wouldn't do a very good job. He tries, but doesn't rub properly or wash all the soap off.

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Peach1204 · 16/09/2020 22:19

If anything the hand washing should have increased due to Covid to try and stop germs spreading as much. I would definitely flag the unhygienic bits with the manager. It's unfair for him to be sore.

MinnieJackson · 16/09/2020 23:07

Nah that's not on. When my boys went to private nursery they had outdoor overalls provided and were wiped down. They never came home that filthy, maybe paint or play doh under their nails or in their hair. Because of covid we haven't started our youngest at nursery yet because it would mean three class bubbles but he has severe eczema and on the advise of his paed we bath him ever other day so it would be a no go for us personally. The picture while he's eating with dirty hands isn't on really and we are all for the messy play!

Sewrainbow · 16/09/2020 23:11

I was going to say yabu and precious but he is like a little urchin in that photo! As pp said if you sent him in like that it'd be neglect and yes handwashing should be even more of a priority at the moment

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