Netflix film -Cuties

[Francessssca]

I am shocked this is actually on Netflix. I haven't actually watched it and will not watch it after some of the scenes i've heard are in it,
But after all the controversy, I can't believe netflix haven't taken it down.

Do you really think that 12-14-year-olds living in poverty, in ghettos, no family support, amongst gangs, pressurised by social media don’t do this in real life to give themselves something in life? You’re naive. They do. Block your ears and eyes and pretend it doesn’t happen.

@daisypond what a weird way to say that it's okay to show that in the movies
Some 14 year olds get up to many things that their parents might not improve of but it doesn't mean we should start filming them

@daisypond it may have had a different reaction if it was 18 year old girls (who look young) potraying teenagers but to get actual 12 to 14 year olds dancing like that is wrong!

*approve

I watched it. I think it's very thought-provoking and moving, and really quite sad. I think it powerfully portrays the world some young people are growing up in and the conflicts it creates.

I do seriously question Netflix's judgement on their marketing strategy by producing the advertising poster that caused so much controversy - the original poster was much more reflective of the movie's tone and content.

Personally, I think the hysteria about the movie seems to be disproportionate to the content.

#saveourchildren !
#pizzagate !
#wayfairgate !

....bingo?

[quote Francessssca]@IcedPurple the movie shouldn't exist anyway - well not the dance scenes. I can't believe people are sticking up for 12 and 14 year old girls dancing like that and are instead outraged are people bringing attention the fact it's sick and can attract the wrong type of people [/quote]
But the 'wrong type of people' who probably wouldn't have dreamed of watching a subtitled film about immigrants in Paris will now know the film exists, and will already have seen all the 'best' bits for free via all the outraged Twitterati. Surely you can see the irony?

If these people are genuinely interested in protecting the young actresses, why did they share all the 'offending' clips, thus exposing them to a much wider audience, including the 'wrong type of people'?

For the record, I have seen the film and thought it was generally very well-made and well-acted, though I do wish the director had found a way to hint at the more provocative nature of the dances rather than show them directly. Ditto, all those tut-tutting over the film should have expressed their feelings in a way which didn't involve sharing the clips which they supposedly find so objectionable.

[quote Francessssca]@daisypond what a weird way to say that it's okay to show that in the movies
Some 14 year olds get up to many things that their parents might not improve of but it doesn't mean we should start filming them [/quote]
The dancing is the least of it. It’s not about dancing. It’s about poverty, social media, growing up as a girl in a sexualised world, immigration, growing up as a black girl, having your life mapped out for you as a child, where you have no chance. That is what is being filmed.

the main character is 16 in real life... I googled to find out after watching it.

I think that yes some of the camera angles seem over the top but I think to me it felt like a warning.... society is turning young children into kids desperate to be older and they are copying music videos, influences, fashions and the internet... if as a society we carry on this is a glimpse of the future!

I've prob not explained it well but yeah the dancing was uncomfortable but the story was really good! I actually thought it was a documentary like the beauty queen kids ones and I wanted to watch it so I could have an informed opinion.

I think the people making the most noise about it haven't seen it....

@Monstermissy36

the main character is 16 in real life... I googled to find out after watching it.

I think that yes some of the camera angles seem over the top but I think to me it felt like a warning.... society is turning young children into kids desperate to be older and they are copying music videos, influences, fashions and the internet... if as a society we carry on this is a glimpse of the future!

I've prob not explained it well but yeah the dancing was uncomfortable but the story was really good! I actually thought it was a documentary like the beauty queen kids ones and I wanted to watch it so I could have an informed opinion.

The main character is 14.

The film is very good but would have been better if they’d hinted at the more sexualised parts or used age 16+ actors. I think it’s wrong to start a thread without watching the movie first. Especially when you’ve already seen the clips- you obviously had no objection to watching those clips so what’s your objection to watching the film to get the context of those clips?

YABU OP. Back in the 90s people who hadn't watched Trainspotting said it glamorised drug taking (according to the tabloids) and couldn't believe cinemas showed it. People who hadn't watched Brass Eye were outraged that it made paedophilia acceptable (according to the tabloids) and couldn't believe C4 showed it. If you dont want to watch the film, don't.🤷‍♀️

The dancing is the least of it. It’s not about dancing. It’s about poverty, social media, growing up as a girl in a sexualised world, immigration, growing up as a black girl, having your life mapped out for you as a child, where you have no chance. That is what is being filmed.
And yet some people think that the dancing is the shocking part.

What mainly bothers me is that :

1.the girls themselves wouldn't be allowed to watch what the acted because of their age

And

2.that the director herself considered necessary to have a child psychologist on set for them.

I do think they should have used girls that were at least 16 .

I also think Netflix completely fucked up with the poster for the film and how the movie was portrayed to begin with, which is very different to the original version and you have to wonder why.

OP

You might find these threads interesting as many people have expressed similar views to you.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4020235-why-did-netflix-allow-this-film

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4000662-tw-cuties-netflix-film-about-an-11-year-old-twerking-dance-crew

You are not wrong to question why the director has chosen to hypersexualise children to make a film about hyper sexualised girls, however there will be plenty of people who will disagree as they are here. There are very many who agree with you though as can be seen in the other threads.

Yep my mistake, I stand corrected she is 14....

the girls themselves wouldn't be allowed to watch what the acted because of their age
If you think girls that age have to go to a movie to see girls of that age dance like that, you live a very sheltered life.
That's part of the point.

Guess this is one of those things we'll all have to agree to disagree on.
There are many split opinions across the internet and I won't be changing my mind that the way this movie was filmed and directed is sick. There are better ways to portray a movie like this.
However, I respect all of your opinions.

@DioneTheDiabolist trainspotting did not involve children dancing in skimpy clothes.

Anyway, i'm out, as it's clear we all have different views which is fine.

@DioneTheDiabolist trainspotting did not involve children dancing in skimpy clothes

If I recall correctly, Kelly mcdonald played a schoolgirl, uniform and all, who shagged ewan mcgregor.

The over sexualised dancing scenes were unnecessary imo. They could have easily made their point without showing 12 to 14 years old girls twerking and grabbing their privates.

@choli

the girls themselves wouldn't be allowed to watch what the acted because of their age If you think girls that age have to go to a movie to see girls of that age dance like that, you live a very sheltered life. That's part of the point.

It's not just about the dancing and the outfits is it?

There are many upsetting or dangerous issues explored in the movie.

12 and 14 yo girls have portrayed and have been exposed to those issues,without needing to be. They may have encountered them anyways,or not. It feels exploitative and it was meant to shock the audience.

Do I get the director's view and the point she wanted to make? Yes. Do I agree with how it was done and the age of the girls starring in the movie? No. That's my prerogative.

Blaire White and a couple of other Youtubers have watched and reviewed the film and have concluded that it is dire. So it is not just people who haven't seen the film who are up in arms about it.

I think the director set out with good intentions to raise important issues.
I think they've missed the mark though and If I was a parent of one of the child actors I'd worry about the fact it's had so much publicity about sexualising kids and the wrong people watching it. Having been alerted to this fact

Blaire White and a couple of other Youtubers have watched and reviewed the film and have concluded that it is dire.

You see I'm good with people who have watched it thinking it's dire. It's the manufactured outrage I object to. And it has been manufactured by Netflix and Twitter. Everyone got frothed up into moral outrage and boom! Massive, instant, viral publicity. Thanks to this OP and others like her millions more people now know of this film.