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Urinary infections

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gingergiraffe · 15/09/2020 09:56

Posting here for more traffic.
Steph’s Lunchbreak, channel 4, 12.30, Thursday 17th September.

For anyone suffering long term urinary infections my dil has suggested this programme which is apparently covering this issue. She has been under doctors trained with Professor Malone for the last 20 months and is at last getting encouraging signs and results that possibly the infection is coming to an end. It has been a long journey which she expected, but hopefully she will soon be able to return to a normal life. There has been a few posts about persistent urinary infections so I hope this may be of help to others.

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aafwan · 15/09/2020 10:04

Thanks for this gingergiraffe. I’ve been a patient of Professor Malone-Lee since 2017 and am finally getting on top of a chronic uti that had reached the point I was thinking of asking if I could have my bladder removed. I was In a dreadful cycle of getting negative urine test but having all the symptoms of a UTI, begging for a course of antibiotics from a reluctant GP, symptoms easing for a few weeks and then the whole cycle starting again. I was worn out and worn down by it.

Professor M-L has retired now and my next follow up is with another member of his team. They are all trained by him and follow his protocol. It’s not an exaggeration to say he has given me my life back again after a decade of hell.

gingergiraffe · 15/09/2020 12:26

@aafwan, sounds similar to my dil. Started with three days of antibiotics and then told no signs of an infection and it was all in her head. Told to get back to work but in the end quit her job as, apart from all the physical symptoms, it was doing her mental health no good. The consultant, under professor Malone found she had a raging infection and it has been up and down ever since. This is normal as you are probably aware but with constant monitoring and adjustments of medications we feel she is finally getting there. I hope you are soon free of this horrific condition too.

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aafwan · 15/09/2020 14:09

ginger. Thank you. So glad your DIL is making progress too. Prof M-L said my story is typical of his patients and he is appalled that so many women are being failed so badly.

pawsies · 15/09/2020 14:22

Currently have a UTI which is getting dismissed by doctors now as all the antibiotics that are available for it I've had 😔

Running out of options but I can't live with a UTI forever!

What have you found useful from this doctor so far? Just started d mannose in the hope it's a miracle cure.

IndieTara · 15/09/2020 14:34

I always use D mannose it's not a miracle cure but it does help me. I take it daily. Anytime sex is imminent ( rare as I'm single ) I up my intake for a day before and a few days afterwards as well as 'preventative' antibiotics which sometimes help and sometimes don't. Never heard of this doctor though

rosiethehen · 15/09/2020 14:40

I have uti symptoms after I drink coffee, orange juice and alcohol. I thought it was interstitial cystitis, but the urine smells as though it's infected. I have to avoid these things otherwise it turns into a full blown uti. The orange juice is the absolute worst.

aafwan · 17/09/2020 08:48

pawsies. So sorry you are suffering. I had tried everything you can think of - D-Mannose, radical diet changes, drinking gallons of water, using unscientific, PH balanced shower gel, cranberry supplements etc. I was diagnosed at local hospital after a rigid cystoscopy with extensive Cystitis Cystica (bladder lining covered in ulcers ) and prescribed weekly bladder installations. Symptoms no better after a year of these. Was perpetually told I didn’t have a UTI and antibiotics often refused. I had 6 years of hell.

In desperation I saved up to see Professor Malone Lee privately. He said my story is typical of the patients he sees and that the dipstick tests and lab tests the NHS base their diagnosis on are unfit for purpose. He tests fresh samples under a microscope and counts the white cells present along with the epithelial cells. He found I had a raging infection and asked if I felt ill. I said I felt awful and he commented that he wasn’t surprised.

He started me off on 1g of Cefalexin 4 times a day and something call Hiprex which is an antiseptic that makes the urine hostile to the bacteria that is being pushed to the surface from the bladder walls by the antibiotic. He said if patients who first presented at the GP with UTI symptoms were able to have their urine looked at under a microscope (how they used to test before dipsticks were around) and given long enough courses of old generation antibiotics until the white cells had gone back to a normal level, he wouldn’t have a clinic.

He is disgusted by diagnosis of interstitial cystitis which he said in 99.9% of cases is just a chronic UTI and not a condition in and of itself. He is also appalled at women being told its all in their mind, given bladder training, installations, bladder and urethra stretches, cystoscopies etc which cannot possibly be useful and then being preyed on by people offering treatments and supplements based on flawed science and being ripped off.

Chopping and changing antibiotics and prescribing short courses is what adds to antibiotic resistance. I’ve not had my antibiotic changed once since I’ve started treatment. I’ve had a stronger one added in for flare ups (which he says are part and parcel of recovery )- Each time I see him my white cells have gone down and the flare ups are getting further apart. My life doesn’t revolve around the toilet. I can sleep, I’m not in pain and I don’t feel permanently ill. There is no blood in my urine. I am so grateful to this man and it’s been worth every penny and all the travel to get my life back and stop with the horrible and never ending loop I was on.

If there is any way you could afford a private appointment at Professor Malone Lees clinic I can’t recommend it enough. The condition I was diagnosed with at my local hospital he said isn’t a condition. It’s just what a dreadfully infected bladder looks like. It is disgraceful that GPs are forced to follow a protocol that is ruining women’s lives and that isn’t fit for purpose, is expensive with all the urodynamics, installations, cystoscopies, stretches, counselling etc and which is consigning women to years and years of chronic ill health .

MamaMary · 17/09/2020 10:51

I've had a uti for several months now and I'm really worried about what aafwan has said.

I've had several short courses of antibiotics but it keeps coming back. I'm told that my urine samples aren't showing up anything in the lab tests.

I don't have blood in the urine or even the stinging sensation. I just have a constant urge to pee (worse at night) and a constant pain in my bladder.

I've had blood tests taken (didn't show anything, but I think the doctor wondered if I had diabetes or an underlying condition that made me prone to utis) and now he is sending me for an ultrasound of my bladder.

aafwan · 17/09/2020 13:48

MamaMary. This was what I was going through - in the main just constantly wanting to wee but often no stinging or burning. Test after test for uti came back negative and I’d sometimes be given a 3 day or 5 day prescription for antibiotics. Things calmed down for a week or two after finishing them and then back came the symptoms. The short courses are just starting to push the bacteria out off bladder wall only for the course to finish and allow the infection to keep on going.

An ultrasound often will look fine, cystoscopies will often show inflammation (which is the often diagnosed as interstitial cystitis because dipsticks and cultures look clear) but nothing else and then invasive and useless treatment like bladder/urethral stretching and/or bladder installations which are pointless as they do nothing to tackle the underlying chronic infection which is gradually taking hold.

Is there any way you could see one of the doctors at Professor Malone-Lees clinic in London? Or there’s another consultant based in Yorkshire that uses a similar protocol to his.

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