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To wonder how people actually afford to move into council properties

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Niknick · 13/09/2020 07:56

So, me and my dh have been offered a house with our local council after years of being on the waiting list. We have two son’s youngest of whom is autistic and we have been offered 3 bed meaning we’d all have our own bedroom at last. I haven’t had an official viewing of the house yet ie with the hosing officer but workmen are currently doing some repairs and they allowed me and my dh in the other day to have a quick look round whilst they were sat in the garden on a break.

Anyway i went equipped with my tape measure to measure up for carpeta, blinds and just to get a general idea of how things will fit. I’ve since gone to a cheap carpet place and been quoted £1500. Blinds will cost around £450-£500. Then there are things like decoration, removal costs, buying a new oven as our current one our landlord owns etc. The property isn’t in great condition and having viewed another of the council’s houses years back me and my dh are under no illusion that the council will do anymore than the bare minimum.

So far it needs plaster work doing as the workmen have done a rubbish job. It needs scrubbing beyond recognition, the garden is like a jungle so that will be more cost as we’ll need to pay someone to do it as me and my dh are busy with work and the kids. Plus parts of the fences are smashed and need replacing as it’s not safe with my son. I know it’s the tenants responsibility to do a lot of these jobs but usually, people moving into these properties aren’t well off so AIBU to wonder how do people manage to do all this? We have virtually zero savings due to paying high private rent, so long term moving to this house would be financially a good idea, but short term I’m panicking about where the hell we find the kind of money we are going to need to make this house at least comfortable for us all to live in. Moving to my current house paying a months rent up front plus deposit and referencing check fees is cheaper than what we’ll have to spend to move to the new house so I’m quietly panicking.

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formerbabe · 13/09/2020 11:17

@toghy

Absolutely unbelievable to come on a thread like this...declare your income is six figures then preach about how you cope with sheets at your window and can't afford to get your fence repaired. Yeah sure

Snazzles2020 · 13/09/2020 11:18

Seeing as many posters have suggested cheaper alternatives, given good advice about where best to buy second hand items cheaply and suggested priorities - all of which have been rubbished by the OP. I will give the advice they really want to hear. Apply for every credit card going, play the victim, apply to every Wonga loan alternative company you can. Now you have enough money to have the perfect home. Problem solved everyone. OP you are welcome.

Stripesgalore · 13/09/2020 11:20

I think it is relevant because it helps the OP have a more realistic understanding of how other people live.

As I have said, I rent and don’t have curtains in every room, don’t have a securely fenced garden etc.

I am pushing fifty and have never lived somewhere where I spent £500 on curtains and blinds.

Sometimes people’s dissatisfaction comes from a misunderstanding of how other people live.

HotPatootiebootie · 13/09/2020 11:21

I moved into a five bed council house after doing a mutual exchange. The house I moved into was DISGUSTING. Poo smeared on walls, overflowing ashtrays, two rooms and a shed full of actual rubbish and even used syringes and missing floor boards. I had to pay a fortune to do it up but it was stilldone on the cheap.

I have 22 windows so I went to eBay and got all the same colour roller blinds. They are easy to cut to size and cost me £350 . I Got a few bulk buckets of paint and every room got a fresh coat after a good clean. Then the kids chose a paper and I did one wall in each room. I got my carpets on eBay from a flooring mega store and hired a fitter off fb. Carpets and underlay for each bedroom cost about £100- 130 including fitting. Way cheaper than my local rip off merchant market stall. Flooring bedroom and the living room I did myself with family. Lvl in the living room and laminate in the bedroom. You could even watch a you tube tutorial and fit your own carpets.

A bedroom can be painted in 2-3 hours if there is two of you. Do everything you can your self to save money. The only room I got professionally decorated is my hall, stairs and landing as it's a three storey town house. That also cost me £500 to carpet. My other big expense was doors add the dirty skank actually took her doors with her Confused

LilOldMe · 13/09/2020 11:21

Apologies. I scrolled back and you had said thanks twice. It just got lost among everything else. 😆

Sunshinegirl82 · 13/09/2020 11:22

When we bought out first house it was a new build so no flooring. We used one of the "interest free" carpet places and it was fine. Not ideal obviously but the carpets were still going strong 5 years later, cost us £30 a month or something. Get the best underlay you can as makes cheap carpet feel more expensive.

Facebook is brilliant for this sort of stuff. If you put up a post asking for what you need you may well find people will give it to you for free if they just want rid of it. I've given away a few pairs of perfectly good curtains etc. We have a double bed and an arm chair in the garage we are about to pay the council to take to the tip!

If it was me I think I would give the place a really good top to bottom clean. Paint the whole lot magnolia/white, don't bother about plastering, you can re do further down the line.

Get onto the council about fences, see if there is any help for the garden. Double check you are not eligible for any loans/grants.

Get the carpets done interest free if you have to provided that you are comfortable as you can be that you you can manage it financially.

Everything else pick up free/cheap secondhand and then replace as you go.

You will get there, just feel daunting at the start! Sounds like a great opportunity for you though so don't be put off, you'll make it work!

claireyjs · 13/09/2020 11:22

You work to a budget and do it a bit at a time. I iwn my property, it was 4 years before i sorted the garden, still haven't finished the kitchen. It will cost more if you cant be arsed to do it yourself but that's your choice. I paid nowhere near that for carpets and blinds from ikes or argos are cheap... I'm a single mum and if I can manage I'm sure you can. Don't panic, be realistic and it will come together in the end. Good luck Smile

MoonDelay · 13/09/2020 11:23

We were in a similar position so far as the house needed a lot of work doing before we moved in. I think they said it was classed as a "void property". It was mainly plastering work, new doors (the cardboard type 😄) . Even though they did plaster the really bad walls a lot of them still need doing to be honest, a lot of it has blown. The architrave and door frames are completely knackered and really should have been replaced but it is what it is. The council offered us the maximum amount in a gift card because the place was really run down. It was £300 or there abouts. I just bought textured wallpaper for the uneven walls and that sorted most of the problems although it now has drawings on it thanks to our 3 year old. I've only ever wallpapered twice in my life before and if you look close enough I've cooked up some if it, plus some of the paper is wonky. Only noticed after I stood back and looked and the pattern leaning and disappearing into the ceiling 😄

Bathroom and kitchen had new flooring, the kitchen was replaced as it had to be ripped out. I bought mismatched/end of line/seconds underlay and carpet grippers from a warehouse online and got a local company to supply and fit carpets and lino for the small kitchen (didn't like the flooring in there) and hallway. All in it was around £1,200 😬 for the floors, 2 large bedrooms, 1 dining room, hallway and stairs. We wanted them done ASAP as we had been living with awful carpets in our old rental.

We needed new everything really after the move so made do for a while and bought things as and when we could. BHF couch, cabinet, dvd case very cheap. Used tv stand from family etc. £200 fridge freezer and recycling the old one from AO as ours was a million years old. We paid two blokes from Facebook £100 to help us move and my husband helped them. Argos, ikea and whichever online place I could find that had a sale or discount going, lots of searching online for bargains.

They were planning to clear the garden but we didn't have the time to wait for them to do it. It was also a jungle, lots of brambles, overgrown hedge, random saplings growing. It was a priority for us as we have children but we did that when we could. The front door is old and was dirty but it's solid. I painted it (badly).

Charity shops are brilliant, got a pair of almost new curtains for £3! Found other curtains in the charity shop, had to get blinds fitted at the front (£80) and argos blinds for eldest daughter (£20).

You will most likely have to pay for the fence, we need a new one but it's not necessarily urgent it is just chainlink and needs replacing. I bought a 20ft picket fence kit online for around £200 lots of hand wringing from me because I'm tight, love a bargain and hate over paying but it had to be done. It's been sat in the garden, we just need to install it, somehow! I would ask your housing officer if they can help with the fence if it's unsafe and you are worried your son will escape or hurt himself. If you mention medical need they may well help you, it's always worth asking. They are usually very reluctant as it's expensive and we were told it is a shared cost between us and the neighbour.

We still haven't finished the house and we've been here over a year. Not our responsibility but the concrete path is badly cracked around the waste pipes in the garden, the outhouse needs looking at again as the roof is cracking and getting worse 😑.

Our housing officer was brilliant and pushed for most of the work to be completed, they said they needed to finish the painting but it was just painting over paint and magnolia/white. I'd had enough of that colour scheme!! I didn't care if it was paintedp. It's definitely not cheap to move, for most people of course but we'd saved quite a lot in the months prior. I was too stressed to spend anything. My surviving twin was on oxygen at home after months in NICU, we were being evicted because the landlord wanted to sell and had to move in the day we were due to be chucked out. Long story but we never saw the deposit, have no idea where it went but it was in exes name and was never moved into my name. I tried to access it with all the correct paper work blah blah. Never saw a penny even though I was the one who paid it initially!! I'm just so happy and grateful to firstly not be homeless, which was very nearly the case, feeling secure and be paying a lot less in rent! I grew up in a council house and they're good and solid! It does take a lot of time and it's frustrating but you'll get there eventually xx

(Sorry for the long, long, boring post! Try credit union if you have one. They do something called a child benefit loan. I think it's £500 the repayments are very low, you repay with your child benefit, hence the name. Very helpful if you're struggling x)

PinkLegoBrick · 13/09/2020 11:24

Make do and mend.
My grandparents moved into their house and used soap boxes for furniture. No carpets etc. It's only now that everyone expects nice furnishings and a perfect house to move into.

ToastyCrumpet · 13/09/2020 11:25

I really need a link to the thread with this horrible bedroom in, just to check that I’m not committing any Mumsnet Home Decor Faux Pas!

Bathroom12345 · 13/09/2020 11:25

Snazziest is right. The OP seems to want a show house standard /council house but doesn’t seem to want to hear how that can be achieved or that she might want to lower her expectations. Especially as she is indicating she would like to bring the house up to her standards on someone else shilling.

CatSmith · 13/09/2020 11:26

Why do people keep telling about how they bought their house and it was in a state? What does that have to do with anything

Because the point is, not many of us had our perfect dream home from day one. Most of us had to compromise on our first home! Op seems to think she should have the perfect home despite being apparently homeless until now.

Few of us had the home we wanted from day one!

ToastyCrumpet · 13/09/2020 11:26

@moondelay a ‘void’ property is simply an empty home in council terms.

itbemay1 · 13/09/2020 11:27

Just think that the security of the council house and cheaper rent will outweigh the work eventually. Good luck

Nottherealslimshady · 13/09/2020 11:27

I thought council properties were for those that desperately needed a roof over their heads so having brand new fixtures and fittings aren't the concern? Stay in your rental if you're after luxury and let a family who just need a house have this one.
Are carpets essential? Gardeners definitely aren't essential. When we moved into our house we put a bed sheet up to the window until we could get curtains.

Sorry, you sound like a spoilt brat.

toghy · 13/09/2020 11:29

@formerbabe how on earth am I preaching. It's reality!
When we bought our home we did not have lots of spare cash to pay for it to look beautiful. I stripped 4 rooms of wood chip paper & we plastered & painted ourselves.

We now have 2dc in childcare which is expensive & a mortgage & pensions to pay which doesn't leave a lot of money to spend on making a beautiful home. Now we are in a fortunate position that once childcare reduces we will be able to do a lot more.

Renovating & redecorating is very expensive if you want only want brand new & don't want to do DIY & want it to look perfect immediately.

Stripesgalore · 13/09/2020 11:29

Crumpet, this was the thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4001930-Could-you-live-with-this-master-bedroom

KenDodd · 13/09/2020 11:30

Don't take the house then, stay in private rental if it suits you better. Sound like it does suit you better so why bother with the hassle of moving.

Illdealwithitinaminute · 13/09/2020 11:30

Sell it to the kids as an exciting adventure, an experience, and a chance for them to learn some important life skills

Perhaps small children will be taken in by this, but teenagers won't! Don't you realise it is actually quite embarrassing for teens to have a house with bare walls, concrete floors and duvets as curtains. Yes, it is temporary, and yes, many of us have had to do it- my current house has wallpaper off the walls, but my teens don't ask people back at the moment and I only have very good friends I've known for years, because it does look a bit shit!

I can't believe all those threads of your house being messy/dirty being some type of child abuse- well how easy is it to clean a concrete floor so it looks visibly clean (answer is nothing you will do will make it look ok)?

People blithering on about their first bought home- great, you improved it, it took time, you reaped the reward of the increased value and bought another one! Not going to happen to the OP- if she installs a lovely kitchen she is not increasing the value of her property, in fact, it may just be ripped out when she leaves.

People who have money (like low 100,000's) and don't use it- that's up to you, very few people going into council houses now in these days of long lists and very high private rents are going to be in a comparable situation.

People don't get that if you are middle-class and have all the trappings of wealth, then having a few months of roughing it with some duvet curtains is nothing when you get at the end of it a lovely house increasing in value. Plus if you already have a lot of social capital, then being a bit scruffy and poor-looking with expensive but holey clothes or having a do-er upper which is actually a five bed house is actually a status move, but when you are not in that situation, having concrete floors just makes you look...well, poor.

Hopefully you have a car, OP, as not being able to shift the free stuff on Freecycle/second-hand shops is a real problem for people who don't have transport.

WindsorBlues · 13/09/2020 11:34

We moved into a council flat 8 years ago with zero savings to decorate the place. The flat was a tip, holes punches through doors dirty carpets not even fitted properly and a skip full of rubble in the garden that the council refused to move.

We just moved in as soon as possible and took it one room at a time. The kitchen and bathroom where cheaply done with a good scrub some cheap white paint and a few pictures from etsy to brighten the place up, stick on floor tiles from bnm for both rooms. We sat on garden furniture in the living room for six months and slept on a mattress on the floor in the bedroom for nearly as long, the TV was propped up on a wooden crate. Holes in doors where covered up with some ply wood. Second hand curtains where used until we could afford new one / blinds.

In an ideal world we would have been able to have the place fully decorated and immaculate before me moved in but in the vast majority of cases people have to make do with the hand they're dealt with. I think my flat turned our better in the end after living in it for a bit before major changes as I knew how the light would hit certain rooms during the day and which rooms would need warmed up as they where colder than others.

We're going to be in the position to buy our next home in the next 12 months and I'm very proud of how we're leaving our flat for the next tenant.

ToastyCrumpet · 13/09/2020 11:37

@stripesgalore thanks, and yes I do remember it. Not my taste but the only thing I would really change would be to saw off the posts on the bed as I’d be worried about braining myself in the dark!

toghy · 13/09/2020 11:37

@Illdealwithitinaminute I don't disagree with anything you said.

However it doesn't change the fact that very few people move into "perfect" homes & the vast majority of us have to make do & or DIY at least for some time.

HepzibahGreen · 13/09/2020 11:37

Because the point is, not many of us had our perfect dream home from day one. Most of us had to compromise on our first home! Op seems to think she should have the perfect home despite being apparently homeless until now
I dont think she said she was homeless! And I don't think she said she wanted her dream home?
It's like no one who becomes a council tenant is allowed to feel overwhelmed by the work that needs doing because then they are not grateful enough!
I'lldealwithitinaminute I agree with everything you said.

Desperado24 · 13/09/2020 11:38

@Illdealwithitinaminute

Sell it to the kids as an exciting adventure, an experience, and a chance for them to learn some important life skills

Perhaps small children will be taken in by this, but teenagers won't! Don't you realise it is actually quite embarrassing for teens to have a house with bare walls, concrete floors and duvets as curtains. Yes, it is temporary, and yes, many of us have had to do it- my current house has wallpaper off the walls, but my teens don't ask people back at the moment and I only have very good friends I've known for years, because it does look a bit shit!

I can't believe all those threads of your house being messy/dirty being some type of child abuse- well how easy is it to clean a concrete floor so it looks visibly clean (answer is nothing you will do will make it look ok)?

People blithering on about their first bought home- great, you improved it, it took time, you reaped the reward of the increased value and bought another one! Not going to happen to the OP- if she installs a lovely kitchen she is not increasing the value of her property, in fact, it may just be ripped out when she leaves.

People who have money (like low 100,000's) and don't use it- that's up to you, very few people going into council houses now in these days of long lists and very high private rents are going to be in a comparable situation.

People don't get that if you are middle-class and have all the trappings of wealth, then having a few months of roughing it with some duvet curtains is nothing when you get at the end of it a lovely house increasing in value. Plus if you already have a lot of social capital, then being a bit scruffy and poor-looking with expensive but holey clothes or having a do-er upper which is actually a five bed house is actually a status move, but when you are not in that situation, having concrete floors just makes you look...well, poor.

Hopefully you have a car, OP, as not being able to shift the free stuff on Freecycle/second-hand shops is a real problem for people who don't have transport.

That’s hilarious.

Yeah of course I don’t know any of those things, you know so much about me.

My kids just had a budget of a few quid each and sorted their own room. I sure as hell wouldn’t be paying a gardener with teenagers and two able bodied adults in the house.

Rinoachicken · 13/09/2020 11:39

I have lived in 3 council properties, including my current home. Each time we got about £200 worth of B&Q vouchers.

We used these for:

Paint (could have used them for wallpaper but more expensive so didnt)
Polyfiller - to fill in any holes in the walls before painting
Floor tiles - to put down on the floors until we could afford carpet

We bought the cheapest curtains and blinds we could get from Woolworths, Wilkos, Argos.

Then we replaced and improved things over time (YEARS)

Definitely worth asking about the garden - my second home we mowed the rear lawn and discovered the previous tenents had BURIED rubbish which was poking through - think broken glass, needles, broken CDs etc. We had a small child and the council came and cleared it for us.