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Why did Netflix allow this film?

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latheritup · 11/09/2020 01:08

Please take a second to watch the video on this link, this is the final dance scene of the new movie on Netflix called Cuties.

mobile.twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1303908536553017349

I cannot understand why Netflix thought this was the right film to add to their selections. These are children.

There are several petitions going round to get this removed off their platform.

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Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 08:37

Ancientgran, I saw Taxi Driver a long time ago before I knew of the controversy. It always made me feel that Jodie Foster had been very vulnerable in Hollywood and I wanted things to turn out okay for her. So many child stars end up with ruined lives.

MsStillwell · 11/09/2020 08:38

Paedophiles like that children don’t understand the ways they are being sexualised, MsStillwell. That’s the appeal.

I think there's some strength to the argument that this has got as far as it has in part due to having a black, muslim, female director. But am doing a disservice writing her off as a dupe?

I'm not convinced I agree with the film, and I don't think I've seen the worse scenes yet. But neither do I want to align myself with the, "God Look at this child porn! Look! Look at how bad it is!" lot either.

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 08:41

I don’t think she has to be a dupe. The film industry grooms people and changes their understanding of exploitation.

YummyJamDoughnut · 11/09/2020 08:43

I haven't watched the film yet, but I did go to Netflix and watch the trailer.
It looks like there may be more depth to it than just a film about dance.
The clip is very disturbing with no context. I'm not sure I want to watch the while film, but I can't have an opinion about it unless/until I do.

BiBabbles · 11/09/2020 08:44

So, you've never seen a child beauty pageant, but you think those bringing it up are covering the pornographic aspects by comparing this to them? Stripesgalore, people have been discussing the pornographic and pedo issues within pageant circuits for decades for good reasons.

Beauty pageants are done singularly, so the latter could not happen. Smacking one's own rear and suggestive rubbing, yes, that happens in pageants with a dance/talent components that can include dance. Both happen in certain types of group dance classes, the ones aimed at being 'commercial'/build up to a professional career outside of classical/traditional dance.

When I was the same age as the girls, I was in a multiple dance groups. We listened to the comments of the judge, and one of the complaints with one group was that our skirts were too long (while boys wore trousers). Skirts barely long enough to cover the short-shorts that were on display after we stripped off the skirt towards the end of the routine. At that age, I was also doing hip-hop dance, with all that entails in modern popular culture. This was all done with heavy encouragement by my mother and community, my mother was big on teaching me popular what could only be described as sexual moves and associating them being able to be financially secure in the future. Any failures was just me being an ugly fuck-up and when I had to drop due to overtraining injuries/juvenile on-set arthritis (as it was called then, not sure about now), I was told 'At least you have enough training to be a stripper'. I was not alone in this.

Maybe instead of disregarding the comparison to other aspects of girls being training for media and other success through encouraging/pressuring on early sexualization, it could be acknowledged that all these things are connected and those with old roots or are seen as girls having fun is just as dangerous as when directors get involved in the process. All the girls auditioned, it's likely most if not all had dance training involving all of this prior to this movie being an idea.

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 08:45

I’m tired and have probably been on this thread too long, but I am weary of people aligning themselves with things.

You don’t have to align yourself with left or right or with some kind of camp. You just need your own moral compass to know what is right and wrong.

The culture war isn’t a way of understanding or categorising every possible scenario.

AuntyPasta · 11/09/2020 08:46

The writer-director on why she made Cuties.

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 08:48

I am sorry you have been through that terrible experience BiBabbles, and I was totally unaware that paedophilia was rife in child pageants. Flowers

Lifeisabeach09 · 11/09/2020 08:49

Saw the clip but not the movie. I am unsurprised.
You see sexualisation of young girls EVERYWHERE nowadays and, as a woman, adult and mother, I certainly don't approve. I am hugely discomfited by it and do try to discuss these issues with my DD (10) (when she is interested.)
Ever wondered why girls shorts are minuscule compared to boys? Or why girls have crop/short tops that show midriff but boys don't? The make-ridden pouty-faced selfies on social media?
My DD introduced me to the WAP song and showed me the 'dance.' CRINGE! We had a discussion about the lyrics and the 'dance' moves themselves (and about what they simulate) but, I'll be frank, my DD first twerked at age 5, I shit you not! It was a 'dance' move she brought home from school!!
I hate it, it's sexual objectification of girls and it is pervasive.

Hopoindown31 · 11/09/2020 08:54

My understanding is that this film is a critique of this hypersexualisation of young girls in this type of dancing. It is supposed to shock and at the end of the day it is clear that there is something very wrong with this if simply representing reality provokes such a strong reaction. We shouldn't be banning the film, we should be taking a hard look at the real-life activities it is representing.

Lifeisabeach09 · 11/09/2020 08:56

We shouldn't be banning the film, we should be taking a hard look at the real-life activities it is representing.

Absolutely.

User3627290 · 11/09/2020 08:56

Netflix have been criticised for the way this film was promoted - specifically because it shows these very uncomfortable and sexualised images with no context, implying that they’re just being presented without criticism. So I don’t really blame the OP for being taken in by the promotional material when many people have criticised how misleading and inappropriate it is.

YummyJamDoughnut · 11/09/2020 09:01

Ever wondered why girls shorts are minuscule compared to boys? Or why girls have crop/short tops that show midriff but boys don't?

I agree that it's a problem, but parents/girls don't need to buy/wear them. If people didn't buy them, they wouldn't sell them. There is no way my pre-teen would wear those kind of shorts. This is a parenting issue.

IceCreamSummer20 · 11/09/2020 09:02

I think it’s a great shame. It had worthy intentions, and seen by people who care about kids, probably has a good message.

However it is selling the film by sexualised dancing of young girls. The irony! And not everyone watching will care about girls, it makes me feel a bit yuk thinking some people will miss the message and just get off on it.

I think it mistakenly exploits the girls it is trying to care about.

DoTheMaccaroni · 11/09/2020 09:03

I don’t care what it’s supposed to show or highlight. That was absolutely VILE! Those girls should never have been taught that dance. I’m cringing so hard at the thought of the choreographer telling them to touch themselves like that Sad

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 09:04

It isn’t representing a real life activity. It is a real life activity. The girls are really 11 and they really are doing that dance and they really are being filmed. It is real, and you are the intended audience.

Putmynewshoeson · 11/09/2020 09:04

The problem here is, whether you think the point of the film is okay to make or not (highlighting the sexualisation of children in dance) you shouldn't create the very material you're trying to denigrate in order to do it
A lot of people won't watch the film and will just share these scenes, so all it's doing is adding to the problem in a big way
I'm interested and disturbed by @donkeyskin post. Who do you think is behind it? What do you think is the long term plan there? I'm not disputing your arguments at all, I just can't quite fathom why it would be forced into mainstream film when other outlets already exist for the disturbed individuals who want to find it.

I'm actually really disturbed by the amount of posters on here who are arguing in favour of the film and 'context'. I wonder if those posters have children? And if so, would you be happy for your children to be directed into those dance movements and expressions?

And if your answer is well that's the whole point, remind yourself that in order to make that point, children HAVE been directed into these positions and movements (which are far worse than anything I have ever come across despite being in dance for over three decades now). The footage is out there, it's being shared, and like other posters have said those girls cannot have consented in a meaningful way as they can't possibly fully comprehend the implications of what they were doing. And yes their parents must have, but does that make it okay? The parents, in doing so, are sexualising their children in order form them be in a film that is supposedly critiquing the sexualisation of children in dance. But that's fine, right?

I wonder how long it is before we have a film where someone is actually murdered, in order to show that murder is wrong. But it will be fine, because art and context.
I despair.

Bl3ss3dm0m · 11/09/2020 09:05

The ONLY way this film could be considered at all appropriate to watch would be if the actresses were all 18+ years old. I don't care what message the writer, producer, director were trying to get across ( and yes I do think that I understand it, and if it is what they say it is, I completely agree with the message being spread wide and far), using 11 year olds in this way (and in doing so stealing at least some of their innocence away from them), is disgusting, bordering pornographic, and should be illegal to make and distribute.

SleepingStandingUp · 11/09/2020 09:07

I thought I'd be fairly meh having watched ball the main seasons of Dance Mom's but Jesus Christ.

I am however perplexed that this clip doing the rounds means it being seen by a lot more people than it would just left on Netflix to be watch by tweens.

Nicetableinnit · 11/09/2020 09:09

'Ever wondered why girls shorts are minuscule compared to boys? Or why girls have crop/short tops that show midriff but boys don't?

I agree that it's a problem, but parents/girls don't need to buy/wear them. If people didn't buy them, they wouldn't sell them. There is no way my pre-teen would wear those kind of shorts. This is a parenting issue.'

Yup - you don't have to buy them. Go to the boys section in the shop and buy the longer 'boys' shorts and then pair them with a 'girl' sparkly tshirt. Or buy a 'boy' tshirt and pair with a dress/skirt.
There are some brand that also deliberately make girls clothes longer length and with pockets but they aren't the cheapest unfortunately.
As long as parents continue to buy crop tops for their pre-teens clothes makers will make them...

IceCreamSummer20 · 11/09/2020 09:11

you shouldn't create the very material you're trying to denigrate in order to do it totally. They are children and it doesn’t matter what the good moral intentions were, they were asked to dance like that, filmed doing it, and now up forever in the media for all to see. It’s exploitation of the girls. I known the director didn’t intend for that, and had the best of moral issues, but perhaps unconsciously knew that the shock value would be good for the publicity and good for the punch in the story, showing the girls actually dancing.

Forgetting they were girls, who in no ever should be asked to dance like that and filmed. For anyone. For any reason.

And I can imagine some men going to see it, and getting a bit of a thrill. Which any man could do. Not everyone will care about the message.

Nicetableinnit · 11/09/2020 09:13

Drive's me mad but if DD asks for stuff like that it's a hard NO. She's got her own style now which doesn't show off any flesh ( she's 8). She doesn't wear a bikini at the beach, she wears a swimsuit, often with a rash vest for sun protection/ warmth, or boardshorts and a rash vest. Some of her friends have 'cute' i.e. sexy style bikinis and she knows she's not getting one and is fine with it because what she wears now is far more practical ( and she needs a lot less sun screen application which she hates) being covered up.

DidoAtTheLido · 11/09/2020 09:13

The work of a female Muslim film director who has had her life and career ruined by stupid male marketing from Netflix.

Every person I know who has actually seen the film says it is incredible and that no one could come away thinking sexualised performance of young girls was acceptable.

But Netflix chose out of context scenes to attract and titillate the very people the film criticises.

SleepingStandingUp · 11/09/2020 09:13

@Hopoindown31

My understanding is that this film is a critique of this hypersexualisation of young girls in this type of dancing. It is supposed to shock and at the end of the day it is clear that there is something very wrong with this if simply representing reality provokes such a strong reaction. We shouldn't be banning the film, we should be taking a hard look at the real-life activities it is representing.
But to do so they got a group of children to do hypersexualised dancing and then put the clip out so the perverts don't have to watch the whole film, they can just get off on a legal movie clip. I'm sure someone is intelligent enough to work out how to cover this without a full on dance routine by these kids!
Lifeisabeach09 · 11/09/2020 09:14

I agree that it's a problem, but parents/girls don't need to buy/wear them.

Absolutely.

But why the disparity in clothing?! Boys aren't objectified in the same way as girls.

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