To think there’s going to be a time when we have to just get back to normal and start living with coronavirus

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With the recent hiccup with development of a vaccination I’ve started to wonder if there’s going to come a time when we’re going to have to accept people are going to become ill, die and possibly have side effects from coronavirus but we need to work, educate and live. We will in effect have to get back to normal with coronavirus being accepted as something else we can become ill with or die from as we accept other illnesses.
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So if this is the new normal, are we just going to accept that the young are going to have a crappy, disrupted education (particularly the disadvantaged) and that many industries will collapse? In order to protect mainly the elderly.

@Blahbaa

I mean really normal. For example not isolating after coming into contact with a positive case etc.

You go first and let us know how you get on.

Completely agree but the amount if hysterics and vitriol you’ll receive will be in abundance in here

are we just going to accept that the young are going to have a crappy, disrupted education (particularly the disadvantaged) and that many industries will collapse?

You don't need to accept anything. You need to demand that the government steps up to ensure this doesn't happen, while protecting everyone.

Agism is ugly, offensive and illegal

Secondly , it's not about protecting the elderly...it's about protecting the NHS which to my mind was overloaded in March as it had to stop some other work , whose staff are in some cases suffering stress and PTSD as a result of what they saw in March....

I agree we need to get back as normal as possible. But to say we shouldn't isolate when we've been in contact with positive cases is just ridiculous. It's ok if you work somewhere where social distancing can take place. Yesterday I mixed with over 300 pupils ( in class rooms and assembly hall) from 3 bubbles. Little social distancing as not possible. As much as I love being back in the classroom we need procedures in place such as isolating. I'm easily replaced as an older teacher but not as a parent.

Russian bots absolutely do target the main social media sites including Mumsnet. Their main goal is to sew discontent and pit people against each other. Putin does not want a stable Europe.

@IamTomHanks
* You don't need to accept anything. You need to demand that the government steps up to ensure this doesn't happen, while protecting everyone*
Surely if that was possible we’d be doing it now.

Surely if that was possible we’d be doing it now.

Not the way the current UK government are handling it no.

@flumposie this is massive problem for education. Dcs in and out of school for weeks on time when they don’t even suffer seriously with coronavirus is ridiculous and unsustainable.

YANBU. I'm sick of DS's education being disrupted. The children are the ones suffering and they will have a bleak future if we keep locking down every 5 minutes. I'm not a bot either, I've been on MN years.

There will be a vaccine in time i think, but not just yet.

As for the extent to which you can live life in the way before Covid 19, do not forget the incompetence of the worst government in history has made things worse, either greater restrictions or those in place for longer.

it’s not sustainable to have the masses suffer to save the few- I’m sorry to be callous but deaths from cancers, mental health deterioration, loss of jobs, ruined educations and futures- for tbh not that many deaths! Yes death is tragic but I think the catastrophe we now live in socially and economically is worse!

They may be sowing discontent - I doubt they are sewing it.

I'm currently isolating with a child who has developed a cough with cold systems. We've had to to take time off work, pull the kids out of school for what I am 99% certain is a cold.

Me too. It's a joke, and we cant go all winter like this, many young children have a background cough all winter with post nasal drip etc.

Anyone for kids Covid parties? I honestly think that will be what happens next. Better your kid gets it young.

Tell it to Mrs. Defarge - she managed to sew it! Ok fine - knit it.

Which is why cases are rising and more restrictions introduced.

'living with it' means accepting mass deaths. If you're happy with that, start a petition. But be clear about the number of deaths you expect.

I didn't give my own opinion so no need to get snarky. By 'living with it I mean we all go about our business within the guidance and laws and not lock ourselves away. I appreciate the vulnerable will have to take measures but, within guidance, I am living my normal life.

Yes. My kids have had the cold this week, that's usually what happens this time of year because they are back at school and all the usual bugs and sniffles are going round. But think about it, they've all caught the cold despite wearing masks, washing hands and sanitising and social distancing. So what is the fucking point! This virus is here to stay, it will mutate like other viruses, just like flu, and hey there is still no vaccine for the common cold. But more people will die indirectly because of not getting other medical issues checked out and the mental health and social glue will just deteriorate.

I agree OP . But you'll just be told you ( yes you personally) are happy to kill thousands of people... even though we've never had this attitude of blaming individuals for virus transmission before. I dont remember last winter being told im killing granny because I went out to see friends then visited her. But last winter I was allowed to use my own common sense if showing symptoms.

Yes its horrible people are dying in this pandemic. But it actually blows my mind that people think we will get rid of this virus. And it blows my mind that people think humans will live with these restrictions long term .

Unlikely, there’ll be a vaccine or at least more effective treatments before too much longer. Patience seems to be in short supply.

In order to protect mainly the elderly

Aha, you have shown your true colours there @blahbaa

So in your mind, it's ok to sacrifice "the elderly". Where should we set the age range for people who can die without you feeling bad? 75? 65? 55? Would you like to include all people with long term conditions that put them at higher risk in your plan for people who it is not worth protecting? I'm in my 40s with asthma. Am I worth protecting? I've got a 6 year old child, I think she'd prefer it if I was safe.

On top of the excess deaths caused by covid, there are also people being left with long term illness from covid. It's too soon to know what the statistics from that are.

I am no fan of this government, but they are right to put public health measures in place. Once we have a vaccine roll out, things will be more normal. Even with the recent hiccup, it is likely that the vaccine roll out will start early next year.

Yes OP there will but the time is not now, it will be in 6-18 months time. I'm pretty confident in some sort of vaccine being available in 6 or so months btw.

I fear for the repercussions.
The people who have had necessary operations cancelled because of this.
The people who live alone who don't do well with staying at home.
The attitude that some have about them being superior to others because they are following the rules to the book (even if those rules aren't actually in place but the person thinks they should be).
The impact on businesses having to open/close over and over.

It's just not sustainable for anyone. We need a better strategy.

Mental health services better be well funded after this but we all know that won't happen.

Personally I'm still going to work, shopping and trying to live my life normally. I, like many others are sick of the whole thing when the guidance has been shambolic.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers no I don't think it has happened but I think it could (obviously won't because; Tories)
There could be universal basic income while economy recovers

Rethink unsustainable service industry and focus on endless economic growth
Housing the homeless- they have proved they can do this they just don't want to do it long term
Improve emissions by more green transport initiatives
Proper re-training opportunity for all
I could go on...

I work in a very deprived area for a charity and so I see poverty every day. It was there before lockdown and will be there going forward unless there is a serious re think of our values.

I hope so, but I think everyone has swallowed the kool aid.