‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

[MrsMayo]

I'm quite happy to follow the new rules. It's not that hard to follow. I want my child to have an education so there has to be other restrictions. We haven't been told we can't see anybody.

[Timeforanotherusername]

@Sobeyondthehills

I will follow the new rules, but I would love someone to tell me why I can meet up with my sister, her husband and kids at a wedding but I can't go to their home (or them to mine) because we are over 7.

I would also like to know why its Monday and whether it does have anything to do with the horse racing and how did we learn nothing from the last time.

Why is it ok, senior school kids can go on a crowded bus or train, mix with 30 other students for 5 days a week and yet not meet more than 6 of their friends in a park at a weekend.

The rules make no sense and sooner or later a story is going to appear where yet another politician or person involved with the decisions has broken the rules but its still all the publics fault that this is spreading like it is.

The laws you have listed are clear and defined these are not

*A wedding venue should be Covid secure and you should still be socially distancing from them. You are likely to socjally distance in a house and this is where most of the transmissions appear to be happening.

*because education is essential. They will be wearing masks on buses. They will not socially distance when unsupervised.

The rules do make sense. Its about reducing transmission whilst allowing people to still have some normality and businesses to operate.

The rule of 6 has simplified things. I just gope enough people pay attention for it to make a difference.

[WaffleCash]

*I assume the reason workplaces are not too bad is room limits."

39 people tested positive on a construction site nearby, the site remains open.

[amusedtodeath1]

People don't see the sense in it when we are gathering in groups bigger than 6 at work, school, etc. What they're missing is that it's statistics. More people are infected in social gatherings where people are more likely to break the SD 6ft rule and or not wear a mask. Because it's natural to want to get close to relatives and friends, not so much with co workers, etc.

It seems to make no sense but actually it makes perfect sense if you think a bit deeper.

[kungfupannda]

Then you will be increasing yours and others risk of getting and passing on the disease because meetings as you describe are the ones where it’s happening

By meeting both parents-in-law at once? No, we won’t. My father in law doesn’t drive and never goes out, save for the occasional distanced walk around the block, unless she brings him to visit. My mother in law is the one who is at risk of bringing Covid into their household. He adds nothing in terms of risk. He also sits separately when in our house, and the children don’t hug him or go too close. Hence limited and specific way.

[itchyfinger]

How on earth can you compare drink driving to being told by an inept government who have just told us to eat out, go to the pub, get back in the office and get back to school that we now cant see our families and friends? How?

[Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe]

I just do not get the ..yes its ok to do this...no its not ok to do that..you cannot do that from next monday...why not now? If it needs doing whats going to change over the weekend? nothing so why?If anyone can tell me what is going to be different from now and monday with regards to my family having lunch with next door then fine...however we are as much at risk as they are everyday but especially from monday onwards? Its barmy. For what its worth the Government was on a loosing streak with these rules since they chose to back Cumming now they are preying on peoples anxieties again cos they know fear works. I have to say I have been a Conservative voter all my life but when I was force fed that Cummings tv interview it made me sick,asking the good people of this country regardless to swallow that shitshow and back them I knew it was all going tits up from then and would continue to do so,and it has.So no Boris,not this time.I will go to work with the 600 kids and staff everyday,I will do my shopping once a week and do the school runs,I will live and not exist and if I want to have lunch with 7 people I will.Its not so much breaking the law its a point of principle.Work and pay taxes fine,gladly do that all day long,shop and spend money fine will do that to help the economy fine will do that too, not have lunch with my family cos theres one too many..nah sorry dont be so fking ridiculous!

[Timeforanotherusername]

@Glenthebattleostrich

I'm one of those saying screw it.

We live 2.5 hours away from family, I don't drive and I'm a childminder who works with an assistant.

So, the government say I can -

Go to the pub with 5 other friends from 5 different households and sit in a room full of other people.

Have 12 children in my house(including 6 from school who are in various bubbles) meaning 24 people plus coming to my house each week, as well as having my assistant here daily, and no social distancing because it's terrible for children's mental health.

I can go get my eyebrows done, have a facial and a lovely massage.

I can't however take my daughter to see her cousins because that would be too many people.

We can't go see my mother in law because she lives with 4 other people.

Add to the fact they are pushing stuff through without scrutiny and yes I have a major problem with these laws.

I would be extremely concerned if my childminder was breaking the rules that I was following.

They would be putting my family at risk.

[ShinyGreenElephant]

@Torvean32 that's just not true at all, I know of 2 schools just in my local area that have sent year groups home. Must be thousands of pupils isolating around the country.

Other than that though, the rules make no sense at all, 6 people from 6 different households cannot possibly be safer than 7 from 2, its nonsense. Also the government don't follow their own rules, contradict themselves at every turn and have just generally acted appallingly. I will follow the rules so that I have no regrets if one of us did catch it, but I think they're ridiculous

[TheGreatWave]

They are making it illegal for me and my family to visit my parents.

If we see them we will be breaking the law.

So no it is nothing like dropping litter, nothing whatsoever, why the hell do people think that this is something we should be ok with?

[Itisbetter]

@kungfupannda and yet meetings as you describe are a subset of infections and if you don’t stop meeting that part of increased infections rate no longer is possible?

[MarshaBradyo]

The only thing left to work with is socialising.

Simple number is easier.

If it gets worse then probably other social restrictions but no one wants another lockdown to businesses and school I assume.

[dentydown]

I’m supplying my children with disposable masks, making sure I distance my self, but I worked out that by sending my children to school, if one has coronavirus (remember the symptoms are sometimes “silent”), and it spreads in our house, we could potentially take down 150 odd people for a couple of days whilst they do tests etc. Yet, I can go to the pub, eat out, etc.

I have made the garden into a meeting place for the health visitor etc.

[Aisforharlot]

So much sanity in this thread it makes me want to cry with relief.
I'll be assessing our risks, same as before, and acting accordingly.
So much covid stuff is seeming increasingly like security theatre. Like a new religion.

[MorrisZapp]

@Sobeyondthehills

I will follow the new rules, but I would love someone to tell me why I can meet up with my sister, her husband and kids at a wedding but I can't go to their home (or them to mine) because we are over 7.

I would also like to know why its Monday and whether it does have anything to do with the horse racing and how did we learn nothing from the last time.

Why is it ok, senior school kids can go on a crowded bus or train, mix with 30 other students for 5 days a week and yet not meet more than 6 of their friends in a park at a weekend.

The rules make no sense and sooner or later a story is going to appear where yet another politician or person involved with the decisions has broken the rules but its still all the publics fault that this is spreading like it is.

The laws you have listed are clear and defined these are not

Doncaster races will take place without spectators now, if that's the event you mean.

[Itisbetter]

They are making it illegal for me and my family to visit my parents.

If we see them we will be breaking the law.

No. You can see them in smaller groups.

[AlwaysLatte]

We were told all along that the rules could change according to infection rates so to me the often repeated excuse that rules keep chopping and changing and therefore people are fed up doesn't hold true. And yes unfortunately lots of people do flout the law anyway.

[yawnsvillex]

@LesLavandes but you will be living like this forever if you comply.

[Morfin]

argument is invalid. Funeral are allowed in Covid Covid approved venues and numbers are limited.

There has only been ( bar 1 )very small cases in the work place. Schools open over 3 weeks , not even 1 year group sent home. @Torvean32 are you deliberately peddling lies? Last time I checked over 150 schools were affected? Major local outbreaks have been linked to factories, what do you stand to gain by lying?

[mrsnorrismeow]

No I wouldn't drink and drive, or not wear a seat belt.

I wouldn't attend a rave. But would I have 7 people in my home instead of 6? Yes.

[MarshaBradyo]

@Aisforharlot

So much sanity in this thread it makes me want to cry with relief.
I'll be assessing our risks, same as before, and acting accordingly.
So much covid stuff is seeming increasingly like security theatre. Like a new religion.

Same but for the opposite group. People are very shortsighted.

One saving grace is local areas are more affected and it affects education there only so if all the people who don’t care live somewhere apart we can all be fine

[Pobblebonk]

There has only been ( bar 1 )very small cases in the work place. Schools open over 3 weeks , not even 1 year group sent home

Huh? There have been countless cases in the workplace. And schools in England have been open for around a week at most.

[childrensclothes]

I guess part of the problem with socialising is that it often involves close friends and family, alcohol or music or celebrating happy occasions, ie things that make people want to hug get close to each other? This is less likely to happen at work or in a restaurant.

(God how I miss close friends and family and socialising with alcohol and music!)

[NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace]

Well, it's a bit like equating stealing a pint of milk off a doorstep to murder. They're both illegal but ......

[catontherun]

Locally we're hoping that the no more than 6 rule will enable us to have action taken against rowdy house parties which will inevitably become the norm as the local Uni won't be running any freshers week mass get togethers.

I'm sick of being told that we shouldn't live in a student area if we can't be accommodating of "the odd party". The students seem to have no concept that many permanent residents have lived here at least 30 years so well before the Uni was built and the local council allowed houses in multiple occupation to dominate the neighbourhood.

We will be unpaid covid marshalls throughout the start of term. I'm not sure if we actually care if they're spreading Covid-19 but this year we actually have a reason to expect action when we report anti-social behaviour and to expect prompt action by the authorities,