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To feel intimidated by conspiracy theorists

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famousforwrongreason · 06/09/2020 09:35

I have a lot of friends who seem to have moved into plandemic territory, masks are evil etc. Some people are who I'd least expect to have these beliefs, rational people.
They have linked covid to 5g and are now crusading for the save our children campaign saying anyone who doesn't join them is complicit in child abuse and people trafficking.
They literally say this.
this is not even one group of friends, but disparate unconnected from each other.
I feel like they're dropping like flies.
I have every reason to believe that these campaigns have right wing connections, many of them are using American spelling for things which are also being shared by qanon people and there is some crossover.
I am not keen on our government, not overly happy with masks but also not overly bothered, I'll do what I can to help get things back to normal, maybe I'm being naive there Biscuit
I just want to rant really, I keep inadvertently insulting people when I bring it up irl and each time a new person tells me their thoughts on it all I just become more alarmed!
I would also do anything I can to protect children, I just feel that linking up with these militant groups is not the only way.

Plus the friends who are heavily involved seem to have become friends with some really heavy and sinister Tommy robinson types.
I feel worried about the mass hysteria, but also sad I'm losing friends and worried about where this will end.
Is anyone experiencing this?
Aibu to feel this is slightly sinister?

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famousforwrongreason · 06/09/2020 22:22

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

They are boring people OP. A family member is like that, everything is a conspiracy and he's such a fucking know it all but he actually knows nothing.
Yup. It's boring and insulting.
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KenDodd · 06/09/2020 22:31

YANBU OP.
I know flat fucking earthers!
The scariest thing about it, these people vote and have become politically powerful.

famousforwrongreason · 06/09/2020 22:32

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Most people I know following this right-wing hoax are actually very much on the far-left.
I think thats also why I find it sad and disturbing, because most of my close friends are much more left leaning so it's just unnerving to find them enmired in what seems to me to be a very right wing belief system.
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famousforwrongreason · 06/09/2020 22:37

@Thoroflo

I have a family member who is so far down the rabbit hole it’s scary. Everything they post can be sprinkled with a tiny bit of logic and debunked. But “that’s what they want you to believe”. I can’t be bothered to show them actual facts etc, because you can’t argue with stupid. The best part they came out with was a lot of disgusting accusations about a top, well-loved a-list actor. When questioned about how this linked with COVID they had no answers just “because it’s the elite and the jesuits”. I had to unfollow them on Facebook for my own sanity. They will not talk about it to me because they know I won’t listen or will try to explain in the nicest possible way that what they are saying is batshit. But they didn’t know if my DH was susceptible or not so he got into a 4 hour debate last week 😂.

I do think that they are dangerous, as other people who have anxiety anyway, or even those who are just a bit dense, will believe what they say and stop wearing masks, stop getting vaccinations etc and will be putting themselves and others at risk. They also convinced one of my DC that masks will make them sick and hand sanitiser shouldn’t be used because it’s bad for them and coronavirus isn’t real, it took us a while to put that right again.

The thing that gets me is the calling other people “sheeple” and saying we are just blindly following what we’ve been told, when that is literally what they are doing. It’s like a cult and it’s spread so far and got so big because they can get validation from others with the same opinions on the Internet.

Oh and the family member told us they had been researching COVID for 25 years. A little heads up would have been nice 🧐

The jesuits?! I haven't heard anyone talk about them since my drug addled old boyfriend in about 1990!

Oh and the family member told us they had been researching COVID for 25 years. A little heads up would have been nice 🧐 lol

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Kljnmw3459 · 06/09/2020 22:43

In the USA they've got Trump to vote for, he knows the conspiracy theories work for his benefit so he's obviously not going to do anything about it. I firmly believe Q is a Trump tool to secure 2nd term.

famousforwrongreason · 06/09/2020 23:15

@Kljnmw3459

In the USA they've got Trump to vote for, he knows the conspiracy theories work for his benefit so he's obviously not going to do anything about it. I firmly believe Q is a Trump tool to secure 2nd term.
I'm pretty sure that you're right. It's interesting that when there was a chance of corbyn getting in, the labour smears were anti semitism as being anti semetic is one of the worst things you can be. It feels like now they've done antisemitism quite successfully they've hit on a tactic, let's just smear any annd all opposes with something even worse, but what, and the latest smear is either paedophilia or being complicit in paedophilia if you don't stand up and shout about alll the things these lizard mind controlling elite are doing. I am aware this makes me sound like a hypocritical conspiracy theorists. I think this is where the whole black hole of confusion and bafflement can get people, layers of fact and fiction intertwined with fear and uncertainty. As well as power crazed glory hunters who will jump on any campaign for notoriety and hero worship
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Paintedmaypole · 06/09/2020 23:18

I have noticed a worrying trend for people who seemed hippyish and new age to be sharing things from very right wing groups. It starts with alternative health, anti vaccinations and moves on to conspiracy theories. Sharing, "Is Trump a lightworker?" on Facebook etc.

echt · 06/09/2020 23:36

This is good on conspiracy theories and how to deal with those caught up in them:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dfqn

Notthefutureyet · 06/09/2020 23:43

I wouldn't say it a tiny minority, no idea what it looks like in the UK but I come across these types online a lot. With the actual president of the US repeatedly giving a nod to them they are bring legitimised.

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/24/a-look-at-the-americans-who-believe-there-is-some-truth-to-the-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-was-planned/

CuppaZa · 06/09/2020 23:48

@famousforwrongreason I’m experiencing the same as you from some of my friends. It’s really disconcerting.

cowthatjumpedoverthemoon · 06/09/2020 23:51

People are perhaps seeing things in the world they hadn't noticed before and it’s causing them to question things. A difference of opinion doesn’t make them a conspiracy theorist! We sadly live in a f* up world and although some of it is very far fetched a lot actually has some truth. Just scroll past if you don’t like it?

Ceilingfan · 07/09/2020 00:02

Just scroll past...

Um, we do, and get called sheeple 🤷🏽‍♀️

babybonboard · 07/09/2020 00:41

So conspiracy theorist are uneducated, weed smoking, right wing folk with mental illnesses? 🤣 Why does someone else having a different belief make you feel so threatened? Does saying those with such beliefs are mentally ill / uneducated make you feel better about yourselves and your own beliefs? Is this a fact? How is this true when many doctors, journalist, scientists etc have spoken out against such issues? Are they uneducated or just mentally ill? Do you honestly believe you have a higher intellect just because you have a degree and don’t hold the same beliefs? Does holding a different belief make you mentally ill? I honestly believe most people are just educated beyond basic intelligence.

Btw I personally don’t believe in conspiracy theories but I also keep an open mind. All I see is both sides as close minded as each other, clash of the egos. As a PP just said... just scroll past. Then go and watch the news or something 😉

DressingGownofDoom · 07/09/2020 00:49

@cowthatjumpedoverthemoon

People are perhaps seeing things in the world they hadn't noticed before and it’s causing them to question things. A difference of opinion doesn’t make them a conspiracy theorist! We sadly live in a f* up world and although some of it is very far fetched a lot actually has some truth. Just scroll past if you don’t like it?
'Just scroll past' is just another term for 'just shut up' and it is used to let idiots away with far too much presenting nonsense as fact. It usually goes something like this:

Person A: makes up a load of shit about coronavirus, bill gates and how vaccines are made from embryos etc.

Person B: that's not actually factually correct

Person A: well i have researched it and you should educate yourself instead of being a sheeple, scamdemic blah blah

Person B: I actually work in the field and none of that is true

Person A: I did say my opinion, just scroll past if you don't like it!!

NB: person A can usually barely string a sentence together so it's particularly galling that they are trying to present themselves as some kind of authority on medical/scientific matters on which they have no knowledge, or experience.

WithGusto · 07/09/2020 01:15

I only see a hint of this from one person and it's my godparent’s son, but worryingly I do hear hints of this and mere hints not what you're seeing on social media, from my own bloody mother - we said today we would take a step back from her for a while.

babybonboard · 07/09/2020 01:21

@DressingGownofDoom But if you know they aren’t factually correct then why do you care? What do you get out of trying to correct them?

If you look at something and see the colour green and the other person see’s the colour red would you stand there and argue with them over who’s right? I just honestly want to know why people are so threatened by another’s opinion?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/09/2020 01:27

The problem is that, whilst there are plenty of people who lack critical thinking skills and believe absolutely bonkers things, there are also people at the other end of the spectrum who apparently believe everything that the government tells them and scoff at any whiff of what is described as a conspiracy theory wholesale and/or the people who cite them.

That holds for the UK and US governments, at least, (excluding anything said by Trump); yet oddly enough, the same people often seem to refuse to believe anything that comes from the Russian or Chinese governments isn't lies based on conspiracy. Are people in the UK and US being mad conspiracy theorists if they say "Well, it's Russia - what do you expect?" ? What about if a Russian or Chinese citizen believed the same? Are they crazy and deluded too?

The PPs who've been laughing off the idea of a New World Order - what do you even understand by the term that you find so incredulous? It's a term that is/has been mentioned in speeches by a number of US presidents - it's even mentioned in Latin on the dollar bill - and in the UK, Gordon Brown for one invoked the term and the need for it to happen on a number of occasions. What is fully meant by it is a whole different question - and could it mean something very different to every single president/PM/politician/newspaper editor who mentions it? Either way, it's a very well-used political term, so do we assume that everybody who says "Huh, well my crazy BIL believes that they're planning a New World Order!" simply lacks critical thinking skills/intelligence or has been smoking weed? Does your answer differ depending on whether said BIL postulates other things that you find believable or whether he also comes out with things that you find to be completely beyond ridiculous?

People at both ends of the spectrum can be guilty of lacking critical thinking and/or accusing those at the opposite end of the same. As can a great many of those in between.

Plenty of absurd, crazy things forever remain just that: either proven false or never provable to be true, but how do you know for an absolute fact what could be true and what is unquestionably bonkers? Did the government deliberately manufacture and spread COVID-19 and spread it in their crazy quest for population subjugation, world dominance or other? Would they? Could they? Is your answer different depending on which country's government might be accused of this? Have they ever done this before? Yes - now-unclassified official documents confirm that viruses were released from Porton Down in experiments to observe what effect it would have? Why did they do this? Was it an accident? Was it deliberate? Was it done for ultimately beneficial prevention-based reasons or nefarious ones? Would they do it again or is the very notion laughable? If the latter, was it equally laughable at the time when they demonstrably did do it? Was anybody who suggested that they were doing it then derided and mocked?

Do you believe that Blair and Campbell deliberately promulgated false evidence in an attempt to go to war - maybe one that they'd planned long before and/or Bush had ordered them to join him in or else? If so, why might they have done this? Why did we not find out until much later? Or did Blair make a genuine mistake? Did he falsify the dossier for the gretaer good, because he just knew that we needed to go to war with Afghanistan, but just couldn't make the general population understand the bigger picture without 'fibbing' for the greater good of ultimately keeping us all safe? Was Blair deluded and taken in by a conspiracy theory that led him to do this? Do you trust/accept anything he says now? Did you when he was the PM?

Are some of the rich and powerful people in the world the evil architects of conspiracies or are they themselves deluded in believing them? In David Rockefeller's famous documented declaration, where he thanked the media for helping him to keep his big secrets from the people and proudly admitted that he and his family were indeed "part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States", was he too a pathetic Walter Mitty type letting the money and power go to his head? Was he telling the truth? Was he telling a partial truth? Was he unspeakably wealthy and certainly evil? Is the same true of Bill Gates? Or are he and Melinda, who are also unspeakably wealthy actually among the greatest and most genuinely philanthropic people who ever lived - and the huge wealth is an irrelevant coincidence? Or do they plan to do a great deal of genuine good, but also cash in by making more money/gaining amazing PR/buying themselves karma points?

Critical thinking is required throughout and nobody anywhere on this particular spectrum has all the truth or all the lunacy. Many one-time conspiracies have since been proved and/or admitted by governments (who may be telling us the truth - and why didn't they from the start? - or who may be playing the long game layering it on another strata of smaller lies upon bigger lies, or may not really know the truth themselves in the first place); many have been proven beyond any doubt to be utter rubbish (or is that 'just what they want us to think'?!); most fall somewhere in the middle of a very, very long line.

BigFatLiar · 07/09/2020 07:56

The wearing of masks, social distancing etc are inconvenient, having a nice conspiracy theory to blame absolves you of the need to do anything or take responsibility, it doesn't exist it's someone else's fault.

I watch lots of conspiracy theory programmes on tv it's entertaining. I accept there are lots of things I don't understand or can explain, doesn't mean however it was aliens or some secret group. (Doesn't mean it isn't down to aliens though!)Smile

Alabamawhirly1 · 07/09/2020 08:09

I think the issue is, most people can see there is somthing not right about this pandemic. The MSM will not address the discrepancies. So people are looking elsewhere for answers.

The problem is people are then falling into the arms of the conspiracy nuts.

What people actually need to do is form their own opinions. Which some people seem unable to do. They feel they have to follow a "team". So we end up with those that follow the MSM and those that follow the conspiracies. But IMHO neither are correct.

As I always say with conspiracy theorist it's not the full content of their conspiracies that are the issue. They say a lot of interesting things back up by plausible evidence and reasoning. It's their conclusions. They put 2 + 2 together and make lizard people. If you read the information, do you're own research and make you're own conclusions it's pretty easy to see MSN are misleading us, powerful and influential people are up to no good and getting away with its and government are not doing what's in the best interest of the people. Its the whys and the conclusions that the conspiracy people have that make no sense.

ShinyGreenElephant · 07/09/2020 08:31

To those saying just scroll on by, its just a different opinion etc... its really not when it's someone close to you. My ex has said he will legally block my DD having any more vaccinations (not just covid, HPV and MMR booster too), hes ranting at her about paedophiles being after her, hes travelling miles to london on trains going to huge rallies with no social distancing/masks/hand hygiene then wants her to come to his house, putting her at risk and me seeing as I'm pregnant and could really do without covid, not to mention the disruption to her whole bubble of 160 kids if she caught it, some of whom might be vulnerable.

For my its DDs dad but for others it's parents, siblings, maybe other parents in your child's class. Its not always as simple as leaving them to it

Alabamawhirly1 · 07/09/2020 08:32

I wouldn't say it a tiny minority, no idea what it looks like in the UK but I come across these types online a lot. With the actual president of the US repeatedly giving a nod to them they are bring legitimised.

One of the biggest conspiracies at the moment is qanon, which encompasses a lot of stuff but is also very pro trump.

I actually think at least some of the qanon stuff does come from trumps pr camp because it litrially portrays him as a saviour of all man kind. Its a clever way to get all the anti government types (which are I think a big demographic in the USA) behind you.

So it would stand to reason trump would keep giving them a nod. They worship him.

Alabamawhirly1 · 07/09/2020 08:39

then wants her to come to his house, putting her at risk

At risk of what? Covid isn't a risk to children. It's not a known risk to pregnant women either.

I can see why you have issue with him trying to block her vaccinations, although I won't be giving my kids covid vax. But I really don't think it's fair to say he's putting her at risk of covid. Would you have said the same if he went to the beach or a BLM protest or a pub?

longwayoff · 07/09/2020 08:43

Intimidated? No. Exasperated and irritated? Yes.

Ceilingfan · 07/09/2020 09:12

You can alway spot them too, cant you? Not very hard is it? Did you see them? Or was that just me? 😉 Watching the news or something 😏

echt · 07/09/2020 09:33

You can alway spot them too, cant you? Not very hard is it? Did you see them? Or was that just me? 😉 Watching the news or something 😏

This.

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