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Jessicabrassica · 29/08/2020 07:51

I know mumsnet loves a bit of teacher bashing.
I'm really angry that once again the Department for Education has put out guidance for schools in a Friday night before a long weekend with some schools having already started and others back next week.
I cannot imagine how many iterations of risk assessments have already been completed to make schools as safe as possible given the constraints of staff numbers, building size and requirements to get every child back in school.
They are getting enough PPE to tick the box that it's been issued to all schools but not enough to be useful.
Teachers mostly haven't stopped working since the pandemic began. They have continued to teach, to support vulnerable learners, provided meals and good parcels out of school funds in lieu of FSM, they remained open through school holidays for key worker provision.
I really feel that they have been well and truly fucked over, left massively vulnerable and will be left to carry the can for community outbreaks.

I'm a parent and work for the NHS if it's if any consequence.

OP posts:
MilktheMilk · 29/08/2020 09:48

@SomewhereEast

The provision was massively uneven. Mine are primary aged, but of our town's three secondaries one was genuinely fantastic and another basically left the students to fend for themselves (have friends with DCs at both). Its really not that noteworthy that teachers "haven't stopped working" or have had to make big adjustments at short notice. We are all in the same boat. If you want unsung heroes, look at the army of workers in the care sector who showed up to their insecure minimum wage jobs in high risk environments full of frail people exceptionally susceptible to the virus & kept showing up while millions of us - including teachers - were sitting in our houses on rather more generous salaries
What has any of this got to do with last minute government guidance?
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 29/08/2020 09:49

I haven't ever seen any teachers saying that. They are worried, and understandable I’m actually not saying it’s teachers saying it but people saying it about teachers

TDGH1245ANON · 29/08/2020 09:51

I do hope instead of OFSTED inspections this year, they review the leadership only of schools in the provision that was given.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 29/08/2020 09:52

Im actually not angry for me, but for my headteacher. She should have a weekend off before the term ahead, as its going to be intense. She now has two choices for her bank holiday weekend: rewrite the risk assessment based on the changes to guidance OR worry about the consequences of not rewriting it thank you for giving an example, yes it’s Disgusting in that respect.

Piggywaspushed · 29/08/2020 09:52

The largest union, the NEU, wrote to Boris Johnson and Gavin Williamson on the 10th of June with some proposals. They never replied.

Advicewouldbeappreciated · 29/08/2020 09:53

I am sure teachers have accessed healthcare settings and supermarkets where other people working throughout have had to spend all day with people and at risk.
Finally, it is their turn to do the same.
The risk of COVID is so overhyped for the usually healthy.
Get the kids back. Shield the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. We may all catch it in the end anyway. Cant stay at home forever.
Health visitors have worked
Community nurses have worked
Social workers have worked
All with young children often those at risk.
Most teachers have had 6 months off at my childrens schools-on rotation to see to the keyworker kids. Who weren't taught anything.
Do people want us to stay at home forever?

MilktheMilk · 29/08/2020 09:54

@tiredanddangerous

To be honest I'm more concerned that my children are going back to school to be taught by teachers who don't want them there. Kids pick up on that kind of thing and I don't think it's ok.
Don't be so ridiculous.
mummag · 29/08/2020 09:56

Given how upset so many of you appear to be by lazy teachers not doing their best for your children, do you not think proper planning and guidance is essential. It beggars belief. Honestly.

noblegiraffe · 29/08/2020 09:56

Time to update the 'government doesn't give a shit about schools or your kids' list, because some people on this thread seem to think that this level of incompetence is fine.

  1. Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

  2. Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

  3. Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

  4. Claimed responsibility for setting up an online school that had actually been set-up by teachers, merely because they chucked some money their way. Forgot to tell schools about the online school so many had no idea that it existed. Forgot to advertise it to parents even though it was exactly the sort of thing many parents were asking for.

  5. Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

  6. Said that they would provide free laptops to disadvantaged kids so that they could access schoolwork, then only provided a tiny proportion of the laptops required because they incorrectly assumed that each school already had 280(!) laptops of their own. The woefully inadequate amount of laptops provided didn’t arrive until the end of the summer term rendering them pointless.

  7. Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

  8. Announced that primaries would reopen to 3 year groups only, as getting parents of those year groups back to work was more important than the education, mental health and wellbeing of the other 4 year groups. Announced that Y10 and 12 would have ‘some face to face support’ without clarifying what that meant

  9. Took ages to release the guidance for reopening pushing back Y10 and Y12 opening.

  10. Released guidance at the last minute meant that carefully laid plans by schools had to be scrapped and restarted. Guidance was repeatedly updated but with full versions released each time and no tracking of changes so time was wasted trying to find out what was new.

  11. Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

  12. Neglected responsibility towards children with SEN and disabilities, EHCPs weren’t to be followed, update/transition meetings were cancelled and parents were left without respite.

  13. Issued guidance for childcare settings very late and only for some types of provider

  14. As lockdown eased, completely forgot about re-opening baby groups for new mothers so guidance wasn’t issued and they had to stay closed

  15. Promised massive funding for a GREAT SUMMER CATCH-UP which hasn’t happened. Now pencilled in for November, but they don’t appear to be organising it.

  16. Promised an army of retired teachers to tutor kids as part of the GREAT SUMMER CATCH-UP now downgraded to recent graduates hired through govt approved agencies, with schools having to pay 25% of the costs.

  17. Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

  18. Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

  19. When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

  20. Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year. Many students who now qualified for their university places had lost them due to the delay

  21. Delayed Level 2 BTEC results the day before they were due to be released

  22. Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

  23. Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

  24. Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

  25. Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

  26. Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

  27. Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

  28. Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school. Withdrew free bus travel for kids in London.

  29. Reintroduced fines for not sending your kids to school, even if your kid is clinically vulnerable and knowing that schools aren’t Covid-secure.

  30. releasing important information about schools and education in an ad-hoc way via comments dropped into speeches (leaving everyone waiting for the detail), press releases in the middle of the night, and worst, and most damaging of all to public confidence - via leaks to the press (including, memorably, one about schools reopening guidance to the Huffington Post ) leading to endless speculation about whether this leak is a correct policy or merely a flag-flying exercise.

  31. rejected an offer of free help from the Royal Statistical Society with composing the ultimately doomed algorithm by insisting on a 5 year non-disclosure agreement that goes against the principles of the RSS. Given that the technical details of the algorithm have been released in excruciating detail, one wonders what exactly the government needed to be sure wouldn’t reach public ears before the next election.

  32. Gavin Williamson’s priority, after u-turning on A-levels and GCSEs, was not to hand in his resignation, as would previously have been expected when being responsible for such chaos, it was to organise a photo shoot.
    Posing with a whip, he not only didn’t resign, but he implied a threat to Boris Johnson if Johnson tried to sack him: I used to be Chief Whip, I know your secrets.

  33. are pre-blaming teachers for any outbreaks in schools by saying that teachers need to be extra vigilant with safety outside of school (what does that even mean? No illegal raves, or no trips to Asda?).

  34. Releasing the Plan B for schools in the event of local lockdowns that had been asked for by headteachers and the unions for months (see point 22)), late on the Friday evening with no working days to implement them before schools go back (for most schools) and after schools have gone back in Leicestershire. The Plan B will require massive amounts of work to organise.

  35. Updating the schools re-opening guidance merely hours after it was published on the Friday evening before schools went back, removing a paragraph about bubbles being sent home in the event of a positive test. This crucial paragraph had already caused massive discussion and stress for teachers and parents in the hours it was up.

ineedaholidaynow · 29/08/2020 09:56

So how are the medically vulnerable children/adults being shielded in schools, they are not being given the choice to not come in other than deregistering or resigning?

MilktheMilk · 29/08/2020 09:57

@whenwillthemadnessend

In this situation. You vs sent have everything written in stone. When work/ school begins workers and employers have to be flexible as something's work in reality and some don't.

The problem is with schools teachers seem to want to have one plan fits all and stays the same forever.

Some last minute changes maybe necessary. You have to suck it and see I'm afraid.

Teachers want one size fits all? Somebody else talking absolute nonsense. This thread is really bringing out the crap talkers today.
WaltzfortheMars · 29/08/2020 10:01

ineedaholidaynow , I have a medically vulnerable child. He will be wearing masks, though it may be pointless without everyone wearing it. I do wish I lived in different country, maybe my native one. But that's what England is facing now. But we still have a choice of sending them to school or not here, we have no choice of home schooling in my own country.

toomanypillows · 29/08/2020 10:01

As a teacher can't wait to get back physically into work next week. I know people are saying that the provision has been mixed, but I taught a full timetable over Microsoft Teams and also picked up other staff's classes (those who were in with the keyworker and Yr 10 students)

I worked longer hours over lockdown and it was much more difficult.

It is SO much easier to do my job in the building than from home. I'm looking forward to clocking off again at 5.

That doesn't mean I'm not worried. I did two days of return to work training this week, and have had an email this morning (already) saying that there have been amendments to those training sessions and we will all now have to redo the training.

That's one reason why we think it's a shit show.

I'm also clinically vulnerable but my risk assessment was postponed on three occasions over the holidays and now has to be redone on Tues. The likely outcome is that I won't be able to teach some of my classes because of the risk (it's classed as a specialist room and therefore exempt from the measures elsewhere in school 🤷‍♀️) but now that leaves zero time to find someone else to take those lessons.

Thats another reason why I think it's a shit show.

As a teacher I don't think I'm special at all. I would like the same level of consideration as other full time workers who are applying everything to making things run properly, while trying not to get ill.

TDGH1245ANON · 29/08/2020 10:04

@ineedaholidaynow they're expected to come in as normal, with a risk assessment in a file in a back office

Spudina · 29/08/2020 10:06

@noblegiraffe excellent post. Thanks for taking the time.
Such a staggering level of incompetence.

mummag · 29/08/2020 10:06

@noblegiraffe

Time to update the 'government doesn't give a shit about schools or your kids' list, because some people on this thread seem to think that this level of incompetence is fine.
  1. Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

  2. Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

  3. Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

  4. Claimed responsibility for setting up an online school that had actually been set-up by teachers, merely because they chucked some money their way. Forgot to tell schools about the online school so many had no idea that it existed. Forgot to advertise it to parents even though it was exactly the sort of thing many parents were asking for.

  5. Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

  6. Said that they would provide free laptops to disadvantaged kids so that they could access schoolwork, then only provided a tiny proportion of the laptops required because they incorrectly assumed that each school already had 280(!) laptops of their own. The woefully inadequate amount of laptops provided didn’t arrive until the end of the summer term rendering them pointless.

  7. Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

  8. Announced that primaries would reopen to 3 year groups only, as getting parents of those year groups back to work was more important than the education, mental health and wellbeing of the other 4 year groups. Announced that Y10 and 12 would have ‘some face to face support’ without clarifying what that meant

  9. Took ages to release the guidance for reopening pushing back Y10 and Y12 opening.

  10. Released guidance at the last minute meant that carefully laid plans by schools had to be scrapped and restarted. Guidance was repeatedly updated but with full versions released each time and no tracking of changes so time was wasted trying to find out what was new.

  11. Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

  12. Neglected responsibility towards children with SEN and disabilities, EHCPs weren’t to be followed, update/transition meetings were cancelled and parents were left without respite.

  13. Issued guidance for childcare settings very late and only for some types of provider

  14. As lockdown eased, completely forgot about re-opening baby groups for new mothers so guidance wasn’t issued and they had to stay closed

  15. Promised massive funding for a GREAT SUMMER CATCH-UP which hasn’t happened. Now pencilled in for November, but they don’t appear to be organising it.

  16. Promised an army of retired teachers to tutor kids as part of the GREAT SUMMER CATCH-UP now downgraded to recent graduates hired through govt approved agencies, with schools having to pay 25% of the costs.

  17. Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

  18. Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

  19. When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

  20. Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year. Many students who now qualified for their university places had lost them due to the delay

  21. Delayed Level 2 BTEC results the day before they were due to be released

  22. Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

  23. Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

  24. Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

  25. Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

  26. Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

  27. Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

  28. Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school. Withdrew free bus travel for kids in London.

  29. Reintroduced fines for not sending your kids to school, even if your kid is clinically vulnerable and knowing that schools aren’t Covid-secure.

  30. releasing important information about schools and education in an ad-hoc way via comments dropped into speeches (leaving everyone waiting for the detail), press releases in the middle of the night, and worst, and most damaging of all to public confidence - via leaks to the press (including, memorably, one about schools reopening guidance to the Huffington Post ) leading to endless speculation about whether this leak is a correct policy or merely a flag-flying exercise.

  31. rejected an offer of free help from the Royal Statistical Society with composing the ultimately doomed algorithm by insisting on a 5 year non-disclosure agreement that goes against the principles of the RSS. Given that the technical details of the algorithm have been released in excruciating detail, one wonders what exactly the government needed to be sure wouldn’t reach public ears before the next election.

  32. Gavin Williamson’s priority, after u-turning on A-levels and GCSEs, was not to hand in his resignation, as would previously have been expected when being responsible for such chaos, it was to organise a photo shoot.
    Posing with a whip, he not only didn’t resign, but he implied a threat to Boris Johnson if Johnson tried to sack him: I used to be Chief Whip, I know your secrets.

  33. are pre-blaming teachers for any outbreaks in schools by saying that teachers need to be extra vigilant with safety outside of school (what does that even mean? No illegal raves, or no trips to Asda?).

  34. Releasing the Plan B for schools in the event of local lockdowns that had been asked for by headteachers and the unions for months (see point 22)), late on the Friday evening with no working days to implement them before schools go back (for most schools) and after schools have gone back in Leicestershire. The Plan B will require massive amounts of work to organise.

  35. Updating the schools re-opening guidance merely hours after it was published on the Friday evening before schools went back, removing a paragraph about bubbles being sent home in the event of a positive test. This crucial paragraph had already caused massive discussion and stress for teachers and parents in the hours it was up.

Absolutely this. No one cares though unfortunately as school staff are the actual issue dontcha know. We all want to stay at home for months when in actual fact we've been in throughout. But pointing out the actual issues and the fact that people will have their work lives disrupted makes us the problem.
MilktheMilk · 29/08/2020 10:08

@Chaotic45

I don't see the unions putting forward any workable solutions as an alternative, or in fact any solutions at all. They have showed zero inclination to accept that this situation is going nowhere and that change and compromise is needed. Unlike other sectors they don't seem to accept that there's a job to be done and workable solutions to doing it are needed.

I agree the government hasn't handled this well, but the unions have made it worse.

At the end of the day many teachers have been fantastic during this situation, and many haven't. Compared to NHS workers they have shown that as a body in general they are happy to take a wage without accepting there is a job to be done.

Only a small minority of people can work with zero risk and be paid a full wage. The rest of us, including teachers have to get in with the job in hand- or find a different job.

And finally, on a different note the head teachers who have allowed secondary school bubbles to be whole year size instead of finding a better solution are shortsighted and storing up inevitable major issues. There's no easy solution but this is insanity!

Another one talking rubbish. No unions have not made it worse. Yes the government have severely cocked up. Headteachers can't work miracles in secondary schools with no extra funding, no extra staff, no extra space, no rotas. It is clear you aren't talking from experience or understanding of what has happened in either the government or in schools.
Aragog · 29/08/2020 10:11

And finally, on a different note the head teachers who have allowed secondary school bubbles to be whole year size instead of finding a better solution

This is government guidelines.
And it's not just secondary.
For practical reasons it is also many primaries, my own infant school included.
Class groups of 30 but year group bubbles of 90. Some teaching staff have the whole school as their bubble.

It's the only way we can get everyone back full time and function.

Spiderseason · 29/08/2020 10:13

To be honest, I think the safest thing for secondary school would be to have them in part time on a rota and teach them half on line.
Unfortunately I do think schools who made no effort at all to get on line shot themselves in the foot.

beelola · 29/08/2020 10:13

To those who answered me, no of course I don't know what the right answer is but it's entirely reasonable of me to say that it's unhelpful to publish full and final guidance when some schools are already back. It all seems very contradictory to me. I have to wear a face mask when in a supermarket in case someone fleetingly gets too close but a classroom of 30 kids for 5 hours is fine and I can even continue supporting SEND students (rightly so) close contact without any protective measures. I'm pleased the students are back and I've spent time with them mostly comfortably but I really feel that it's been a shambles

Jimtimjimtim · 29/08/2020 10:15

Really, really bored of the weeping and wailing of teachers. Ours did sweet FA for the most part over lockdown. Can you imagine if NHS staff had behaved the same way?

Spiderseason · 29/08/2020 10:15

I'm in a setting with vulnerable, poor students, poor funding and we got on line.. My own dc schools did not, which put me under enormous pressure trying to sort them at the same time as our students!

It was also rather galling to be fed weak excuses, when we had seemed to over come them ourselves in our setting!

ineedaholidaynow · 29/08/2020 10:16

Many NHS services still aren’t operating as normal

nosswith · 29/08/2020 10:18

noblegiraffe nothing to add to your excellent post.

As someone who had two teacher grandparents.

keziahthecat · 29/08/2020 10:18

I haven't really been following this closely as my son will only be starting school in September. However the school sent a 5 page document outlining the measures they have will put in place in September at the end of last term. I presumed schools and head teachers were being given autonomy to interpret the governmental guidelines.