To be really angry on behalf of teachers

[Jessicabrassica]

I know mumsnet loves a bit of teacher bashing.
I'm really angry that once again the Department for Education has put out guidance for schools in a Friday night before a long weekend with some schools having already started and others back next week.
I cannot imagine how many iterations of risk assessments have already been completed to make schools as safe as possible given the constraints of staff numbers, building size and requirements to get every child back in school.
They are getting enough PPE to tick the box that it's been issued to all schools but not enough to be useful.
Teachers mostly haven't stopped working since the pandemic began. They have continued to teach, to support vulnerable learners, provided meals and good parcels out of school funds in lieu of FSM, they remained open through school holidays for key worker provision.
I really feel that they have been well and truly fucked over, left massively vulnerable and will be left to carry the can for community outbreaks.

I'm a parent and work for the NHS if it's if any consequence.

Don’t miss it one little bit.
I’m in the charity sector, working for rather than with children (although I do a bit of hands on but mostly training, advice and admin)

I think what this thread has shown is that a lot of teacher bashers are a bit thick with very poor comprehension skills. Time and time again others have tried to explain where they are wrong in their assumptions and it doesn't sink in. Facts don't matter. They repeat the same lies.

Let's hope their DCs show more of an inclination to learn.

It sure what the point of the ‘bingo’ is - to me it only shows how removed from reality many educators seem to be, dismissing valid concerns and criticisms out of hand.
The government being a complete joke is the new normal unfortunately and many of us in other sectors are having to work around this too. Rules constantly changing, vague guidance, random laws.

many of us in other sectors are having to work around this too

So, therefore, you should be able to show some empathy.

Not sure what sector you are in , but very few sectors have been used as as much of a political and media football as education.

You have posted over and over again on here with the same opinion. We get it, You don't share the anger of teachers , and others, about the incompetence of the DfE. Which is what this thread is about. People should be angry that the government is a complete joke, not viewing it as the new normal.

You genuinely do seem incapable of posting without resorting to cliches such as removed from reality. Walk in our shoes for a while and you might see how much of the real world we see.

‘ So, therefore, you should be able to show some empathy.’

Empathy goes out the window after 5 months of home schooling while working in jobs that are insecure, taking pay reductions, and dealing with political ramifications every day. When school re-open ( For everyone) and start proving their worth again I think there will be more empathy for the work teachers are doing.

Empathy is not the same as sympathy but hey ho. You seem resentful really. Teachers cannot help that their jobs have security relatively speaking. That is the pay off for being in the public sector. But there are plenty of people in education (TAs , for example) who are VERY low paid and have poor job security.

I think there will be more empathy for the work teachers are doing.

I doubt it. I've been on MN for 17 years. It's rarely happened in all that time.

Rather than other professions accepting an incompetent government as you appear to suggest shouldn't we all be getting angry at it.

The new normal should not be thinking this level of incompetence is the new normal.

It isn't and should be a race to the bottom!

ps as has been pointed out, the fact that other people's jobs are shit is not teachers' faults. Race to the bottom etc etc.

Be careful what you wish for, because the last thing you want sis redundancies and low job security in teaching. This is already happening in the private sector.

The government being a complete joke is the new normal unfortunately and many of us in other sectors are having to work around this too. Rules constantly changing, vague guidance, random laws

This isn’t ok though. As a population we should be furious about this.

This isn’t ok though. As a population we should be furious about this.‘

I am! They’re a pack of donkeys! And affecting many, many of us.

I am! They’re a pack of donkeys! And affecting many, many of us

Great! Then you agree they’ve fucked the education sector over? (Amongst other things)

Those who are jealous of teachers are welcome to join us. Training is tough and the wage is low for such a skilled role, but yes we do have more leave than most roles and greater job security. It’s something you’ll need to weigh up when making your decision. I’m proud to be a teacher. It is harder than I expected but hugely rewarding. If you don’t really understand the role or what we’ve done during lockdown feel free to ask, but there’s no need to insult us without knowing the full picture.

Teachers removed from reality isthisadaggerisee et al? 🤣 Seriously?
You only have to watch tv shows like ‘Educating Yorkshire’ etc to realise that they are absolutely and totally immersed in the realities of life. A lot if it pretty shitty!!
I’m not a teacher but it really isn’t difficult to see how they (and many other professions) are having a tough time. We need to blame those responsible for funding our public services properly not the actual service providers.

I think there will be more empathy for the work teachers are doing
But that's all I see on TV when people are being interviewed about homeschooling during lock down. People are snarking on MN but they're allowed to say what they think.
And as usual the fact that Scottish schools are back up and running is ignored.

People are snarking on MN but they're allowed to say what they think.

Don't know if you've noticed but MNHQ are deleting stuff because even they have realised that teachers are being targeted with a particularly nasty campaign of trolling.

Don't know if you've noticed but MNHQ are deleting stuff because even they have realised that teachers are being targeted with a particularly nasty campaign of trolling. Well has it been dealt with?

Morning!

Here's my updated list. Good work:

INSET days are just proof of poor planning’ (paraphrasing),’They have had a long holiday since March. ‘ Openly having hobbies and not having the decency to feel ashamed' (I'm paraphrasing), 'teachers need to play their part in society' Moaning', 'crack on', 'snowflakes', 'whining', 'get a grip', 'paid with our money', 'don't live in the real world', 'teachers just love to sodding moan', ‘Thank goodness nurses and doctors carries on without the same fuss.’, ‘our teAchers will close the school again at the drop of a hat.’ ‘If only teachers put as much energy into re-opening schools as they seem to complaining about how unfair it all is on them.’ ‘There has been no particular spreading of COVID in schools and no reason to be concerned ‘ ‘Shit at their jobs (and parents can do it better but we still want teachers to do it even though they’re shit).’ ‘gas lighting.’ ‘Some people just seem to want lockdown to last forever.’ ‘suffering major delusions’, ‘constantly whining about how they have it uniquely difficult.’ ‘refusal to even acknowledge that this has been going on’,
‘dereliction of duty to their pupils’, ‘actively mocking foster parents and vulnerable children’, ‘other people have got it worse so shut-up’, ‘I think you’ll find the world a tough place. (Translation: you live in Narnia), ‘I'm glad you're not my child's teacher’, ‘it only shows how removed from reality many educators seem to be’, ‘start proving their worth again’,

Also lots around the theme of ‘I’ve been treated really badly at work, so why shouldn’t teachers be?’

I’ve seen at least three more examples of the last one.

Worth adding in full, as a fine example of it’s type:

‘Least they're being given ppe not sure if you've noticed but all the factory workers across the country haven't stopped working either.

And have been working mostly without protections and dying at the highest rate.

Possibly not middle class enough to care about though.’

What do you mean, derxa? It's still ongoing if that's what you're asking.

Not living in the real world, Jupp

Good morning, Miles!

If you take requests from other threads we've also got 'teachers are gagging for schools to close so they can avoid work (and will deliberately go into school while infected to achieve this)'.

Morning noble! Morning Smile!

The 'real world' (wot's that?!) seems to be an oft-repeated theme.

What the hell noble, we might as well pool all the teacher bashing from across MN. Hopefully it can be used by budding bashers. They can lift stuff direct, or add to the pool.

‘INSET days are just proof of poor planning’ (paraphrasing),’They have had a long holiday since March. ‘ Openly having hobbies and not having the decency to feel ashamed' (I'm paraphrasing), 'teachers need to play their part in society' Moaning', 'crack on', 'snowflakes', 'whining', 'get a grip', 'paid with our money', 'don't live in the real world', 'teachers just love to sodding moan', ‘Thank goodness nurses and doctors carries on without the same fuss.’, ‘our teAchers will close the school again at the drop of a hat.’ ‘If only teachers put as much energy into re-opening schools as they seem to complaining about how unfair it all is on them.’ ‘There has been no particular spreading of COVID in schools and no reason to be concerned ‘ ‘Shit at their jobs (and parents can do it better but we still want teachers to do it even though they’re shit).’ ‘gas lighting.’ ‘Some people just seem to want lockdown to last forever.’ ‘suffering major delusions’, ‘constantly whining about how they have it uniquely difficult.’ ‘refusal to even acknowledge that this has been going on’,
‘dereliction of duty to their pupils’, ‘actively mocking foster parents and vulnerable children’, ‘other people have got it worse so shut-up’, ‘I think you’ll find the world a tough place. (Translation: you live in Narnia), ‘I'm glad you're not my child's teacher’, ‘it only shows how removed from reality many educators seem to be’, ‘start proving their worth again’, ‘teachers are gagging for schools to close so they can avoid work (and will deliberately go into school while infected to achieve this)'.

Also lots around the theme of ‘I’ve been treated really badly at work, so why shouldn’t teachers be?’

I’ve seen at least three more examples of the last one.

Worth adding in full, as a fine example of it’s type:

‘Least they're being given ppe not sure if you've noticed but all the factory workers across the country haven't stopped working either.

And have been working mostly without protections and dying at the highest rate.

Possibly not middle class enough to care about though.’

I understand why we need to return to education but the government and media toeing the line of “children won’t spread anything and teachers are much safer than other key workers” is laughable. It’s all lies to get everyone back in work and the economy going again. It’s the same with the universities. I’m a microbiology lecturer at a university and even though we have member of our department advising SAGE with regards to safely reopening public spaces including gyms and even though we have members of the department who worked in infection control in PHE- we are repeatedly getting ignored when we flag the risks. Social distancing between desks keeps decreasing to fit more in the classroom, circumstances where students can remove masks keep getting introduced. It’s all just business.

@SmileEachDay

Not living in the real world, Jupp

I’m not a teacher but that annoys the hell out me!! I really can not comprehend how anyone can possibly believe this. Weird.

@Isthisadaggerisee

‘ So, therefore, you should be able to show some empathy.’

Empathy goes out the window after 5 months of home schooling while working in jobs that are insecure, taking pay reductions, and dealing with political ramifications every day. When school re-open ( For everyone) and start proving their worth again I think there will be more empathy for the work teachers are doing.

And yet many posters on here demand that teachers show understanding of the strain they're under, whole thanklessly expecting us to take all of the responsibility for that by taking unmitigated risks ourselves.

I might more willingly have thrown myself into it if posters in Mumsnet and U4T hadn't begun the tirade about feckless, overpaid teachers sitting on their arses for six months and never troubling themselves to set a piece of work.

As a result of the teacher bashing here in Mumsnet and in some pockets of SM, I'm done with the servitude. I recognise that it's every woman for herself. My health is not the price for your job security.

@Isthisadaggerisee

It sure what the point of the ‘bingo’ is - to me it only shows how removed from reality many educators seem to be, dismissing valid concerns and criticisms out of hand. The government being a complete joke is the new normal unfortunately and many of us in other sectors are having to work around this too. Rules constantly changing, vague guidance, random laws.

The irony is that YOU are removed from our experiences and dismiss our concerns and criticisms out of hand. We're at an impasse and neither of us cares much about the other any more. It's a direct result of the vitriol that people like you post.