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To worry about school and masks

46 replies

Rosebel · 27/08/2020 02:59

So masks will be compulsory in schools where Covid cases are high. Sounds like a good idea but what's going to happen to the children who actually can't wear them?
My daughter is autistic and will not wear one. Having something over her mouth freaks her out and leads to panic attacks and meltdowns.
Has there actually been any guidance about this? Will they let these children go to school (as surely they could be at risk of spreading the virus)? I haven't heard anything about this and wondered if there had been guidance I had missed.

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LetItGoHome · 27/08/2020 08:26

@OverTheRainbow It will be pretty isolating during break times! Information also is given out outside of the classroom too which she just won't get.
Anyway I know not much can be done. I suppose it's just awareness to others. A child who can't wear a mask for whatever reason can be made exempt. So not a problem. But there are many children who simply can't communicate when others wear masks. So introduction of them in schools shouldn't be taken lightly and I don't think it should be mandatory in all schools or class groups.

cherryblossomgin · 27/08/2020 08:29

She will probably be exempt from wearing a mask. I wonder if a wrist band might be a good idea for children who aren't able to wear a mask so the teachers can see easily who is exempt?

I've seen advertisements about people who aren't able to wear a mask so hopefully people are aware that not everyone can do it.

RoseAndRose · 27/08/2020 08:34

A child who can't wear a mask for whatever reason can be made exempt

That means being exempt from wearing a mask. Which is not a synonym for being allowed to pose a risk to others. So yes, adaptations may have to be made if they cannot conform to the (hypothetical) future requirements of transmission controls during a local lockdown.

It would be pretty damned heartless to have reasonable adjustments for one putting others at risk of the disease ( doubt very much there are schools out there which contain no vulnerable / exceptionally vulnerable people).

So yes, the sorts of things that people have suggested are fine for DC with medical condition A should be also applied to those with medical condition B in terms of how they move around the school, eat separately etc

OverTheRainbow88 · 27/08/2020 08:39

@LetItGoHome

Hopefully they won’t have to wear masks at break time if they are outside! Or she could ask to have a room where her and a couple of friends can sit and chat with socially distancing.

Underhisi · 27/08/2020 08:46

It makes more sense for the clinically vulnerable person to do them because at times of mass movement and lunchtime it prevents them being in contact with lots of people outside of their bubble who can still spread covid even with a mask on. They are the sort of adjustments that many parents of children with autism want and welcome for their children by the way. They are not punishments.

Rosebel · 27/08/2020 09:14

I thought the case was if you live in a local lockdown area children have to wear masks when moving round the school. Cases where I live have gone up but not enough for a lockdown.
I'm just thinking ahead as to if it happens will they let certain children be excempt. My daughter struggles at school anyway and actually will probably worry if she can't wear the mask because she won't want people asking her why or making stupid comments.
On the other hand I'm sure there are vulnerable children in the school (and teachers) so it's not fair on them.
I assume there is no guidance because it hasn't been thought of by the government and the schools are desperately trying to get everything ready while following current guidelines.
Very difficult situation.

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ShakerCan · 27/08/2020 09:17

This is the Guidance from the .Gov website:

“All pupils, in all year groups, will return to education full-time from the beginning of the autumn term. This guidance is intended to support early years and childcare providers, schools, including alternative provision, and colleges with new advice on the use of face coverings.
From 1 September new advice will apply to the use of face coverings by staff and pupils in some schools, and to learners in further education. This guidance is for schools and other education institutions that teach people in Years 7 and above in England. There is separate guidance for early years and childcare providers and schools with children in year 6 and below.
All schools and other education settings will open fully this September. Returning to school is vital for children’s education and for their wellbeing. Time out of school is detrimental for children’s cognitive and academic development, particularly for disadvantaged children. This impact can affect both current levels of learning and children’s future ability to learn, and therefore we need to ensure all pupils can return to school sooner rather than later.
The Chief Medical Officers from all four nations in the United Kingdom have made it clear that the overall risks to children from coronavirus (COVID-19) in relation to education settings is low and that the risks associated with not being in school certainly outweigh those of being in school.
This is guidance, not mandatory activity, and any legal exemptions that apply to the wearing of face coverings in shops and on public transport also apply to this new advice.

General approach to face coverings
The World Health Organisation published a statement on 21 August about children and face coverings. They now advise that “children aged 12 and over should wear a mask under the same conditions as adults, in particular when they cannot guarantee at least a 1-metre distance from others and there is widespread transmission in the area.”
Nationwide, the government is not recommending face coverings are necessary in education settings generally because a system of control, applicable to all education environments, provides additional mitigating measures. Schools and colleges will have the discretion to require face coverings in communal areas where social distancing cannot be safely managed, if they believe that it is right in their particular circumstances.
Examples of where education leaders might decide to recommend the wearing of face coverings - for pupils and staff - in communal areas of the education setting include:

  • where the layout of the school or college estate makes it particularly difficult to maintain social distancing when staff and pupils are moving around the premises
  • where on top of hygiene measures and the system of controls recommended in the full opening guidance to schools and FE colleges and providers, permitting the use of face coverings for staff, pupils or other visitors would provide additional confidence to parents to support a full return of children to school or college It is vital that that face coverings are worn correctly and that clear instructions are provided to staff, children and young people on how to put on, remove, store and dispose of face coverings in all of the circumstances above, to avoid inadvertently increasing the risks of transmission. Safe wearing of face coverings requires cleaning of hands before and after touching – including to remove or put them on – and the safe storage of them in individual, sealable plastic bags between use. Where a face covering becomes damp, it should not be worn and the face covering should be replaced carefully. On the basis of current evidence, in light of the mitigating measures education settings are taking, and the negative impact on communication, face coverings will not generally be necessary in the classroom even where social distancing is not possible. There is greater use of the system of controls for minimising risk, including through keeping in small and consistent groups or bubbles, and greater scope for physical distancing by staff within classrooms. Face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided.

Where local restrictions apply
Consistent with WHO’s new advice, schools and colleges should take additional precautionary measures in areas where the transmission of the virus is high. These areas are defined as areas of national government intervention.
In these local intervention (lockdown) areas, in education settings where Year 7 and above are educated, face coverings should be worn by adults and pupils when moving around, such as in corridors and communal areas where social distancing is difficult to maintain. As in the general approach, it will not usually be necessary to wear face coverings in the classroom, where protective measures already mean the risks are lower, and they may inhibit teaching and learning.
In the event of new local restrictions being imposed, schools and colleges will need to communicate quickly and clearly to staff, parents, pupils and learners that the new arrangements require the use of face coverings in certain circumstances. This updated guidance on face coverings for areas of national government intervention will come into effect on 1 September. Separate guidance will be issued on this.

Access to face coverings
It is reasonable to assume that staff and young people will now have access to face coverings due to their increasing use in wider society, and Public Health England has made available resources on how to make a simple face covering.
However, where anybody is struggling to access a face covering, or where they are unable to use their face covering due to having forgotten it or it having become soiled or unsafe, education settings should take steps to have a small contingency supply available to meet such needs.
No-one should be excluded from education on the grounds that they are not wearing a face covering.

Exemptions
Some individuals are exempt from wearing face coverings. For example people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability, or if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expression to communicate. The same exemptions will apply in education settings, and we would expect teachers and other staff to be sensitive to those needs.“”

x2boys · 27/08/2020 09:26

Well they will have to make reasonable adjustments,isn't the whole point of masks to protect others ,so those that are able to wear them do ,to protect the more vulnerable,my child goes to a Special school ,for children with complex disabilities, the general guidance is obviously going to have to be adapted for his school and others like it .

Bupkis · 27/08/2020 09:32

Our dds school emailed yesterday afternoon to say they will be asking for masks to be worn in areas where social distancing isn't possible. They specify that there will be pupils who will be exempt if mask wearing isn't possible.

FrippEnos · 27/08/2020 12:59

@Underhisi

Classmates still do not have to wear masks. It is in the communal areas of the school only.
How can a classroom not be a communal area of the school?
Spikeyball · 27/08/2020 13:22

Classrooms are not communal areas.

noblegiraffe · 27/08/2020 14:01

As soon as people realise that of course a classroom stuffed with 30 kids is a communal area, and in fact a more risky scenario than the corridor due to poor ventilation and prolonged contact, the whole thing falls apart.

giggly · 27/08/2020 14:09

Does Scottish need not get reported throughout the UKHmm
Mask wearing compulsory in common/busy areas within high schools from Monday.
My ASD dc will decide in the day/hour every day if she is able to wear one.
Totally off subject but this is why so many Scottish people get the rage being “part” of the UK when important news is not televised nationally.
As you wereGrin

giggly · 27/08/2020 14:41

“Scottish news”

lanthanum · 27/08/2020 14:54

Whilst I'm for mask-wearing in secondaries, my daughter's school has a hearing-impairment unit, and so I would expect that to be taken into consideration. I'd expect that when there is a hearing-impaired pupil in the class who uses lip-reading, the teacher would remove their mask, and that anyone working in a pair/group with that child might be asked to do likewise (but with particular effort made to ensure slightly more distance if possible).

Academic question for now, since currently in our area there is no plan for masks in classrooms or corridors.

FrippEnos · 27/08/2020 15:15

@Spikeyball

Classrooms are not communal areas.
Why is a classroom not a communal area of the school?
Spikeyball · 27/08/2020 15:37

There are only certain people who should be in there. The rest of the school cannot go wandering in and out. It being unsafe because of the number of people in there in a small space is a separate argument -but it is not a communal area. In 15 years of teaching I never heard a classroom referred to as a communal area.

FrippEnos · 27/08/2020 15:42

Spikeyball

You have just described the staffroom which is a communal area.

Whether a classroom has or has not been described as a communal area before it certainly fits the criteria for one.

Spikeyball · 27/08/2020 15:45

If you want masks in classrooms then push for that instead of convoluted communal area arguments.

FrippEnos · 27/08/2020 15:48

There is nothing convoluted about the point being made at all.

If you don't agree then fine, no need to get snarky about it.

peppermintpigs · 27/08/2020 15:58

masks in classrooms would be a good idea I think because there will be students at my DCs school sitting at the same tablea and not even 1m apart.

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