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To ask what is this ‘mutant algorithm’ that Boris Johnson is talking about?

62 replies

Totickleamockingbird · 26/08/2020 23:54

I have no idea how an algorithm can be mutant. And if it was the algorithm that went rogue (if it did!), how come the top civil servant was sacked for it? I simply can’t visualise a mutant algorithm?
Can anyone please explain?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/26/boris-johnson-blames-mutant-algorithm-for-exams-fiasco

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Clavinova · 27/08/2020 12:29

Ofqual -
Agency overview
Formed 1 April 2008 (part of QCA)
1 April 2010 (independent)

Noextremes2017 · 27/08/2020 12:40

It is just ‘Johnson Speak’.

ie Total bollocks.

doubleshotespresso · 27/08/2020 12:45

It's code for monumental negligence OP

Eve · 27/08/2020 12:49

..maybe we should be asking for a refund from Dominic's mates

www.theweek.co.uk/107852/firm-linked-michael-gove-dominic-cummings-handed-ofqual-contract

The firm is understood to have been employed “to assist Ofqual with communicating its A-level and GSCE results plan to help secure public confidence in the strategy”. Exact details of the contract have not been disclosed, while Ofqual declined to tell the paper how much public money was spent hiring Public First.

Noextremes2017 · 27/08/2020 12:53

Notice how Cummings is now just trying to portray Johnson as a ‘likeable fool’.
Dress him up in a high vis and hard hat; a hair net and white coat; maybe hospital scrubs for the NHS he loves so dearly. And now sit him down on the floor cross legged like a 5 year old. The ‘brilliance’ of Cummings policy is that when Johnson LOOKS like an idiot all the time the British public become used to him TALKING like an idiot too... All the time.
Christ I have no time for Trump or Macron but at least they don’t and wouldn’t stoop to such low levels as Johnson does. Can you see either of them joining a class of school kids and sitting with their legs crossed on the floor?
Johnson always was an international embarrassment but now he is a national one too!

Heffalooomia · 27/08/2020 13:00

How can Bozo be so highly educated but also useless 🤔

Antst · 27/08/2020 13:42

@Heffalooomia, because he is not highly educated--not in anything related to his job. He chose to have an easy time at university studying what bloviating, spoiled layabouts study best.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 27/08/2020 13:48

A lot of clever people involved in that algorithm. All so high brow that they forgot about BTECs as well.

Absolute shambles. None of them want to take responsibility but they are all being paid.

I am still seething about the results fiasco.

holdingpattern · 27/08/2020 14:14

@Snog

The government asked for the principle of "no grade inflation" to be applied.

This means that 2020 results overall had to mirror those for 2019.

Teacher assessment on its own DID result in grade inflation, ie on this basis overall students had higher grades than in the previous year.

Therefore to ensure no overall grade inflation, a method had to be found to adjust some students grades downwards from the teacher assessment.

The method used was to reference what grades each school usually attained in exams over previous years and to standardise against that.

In basic terms, if a school usually got
20% A*
20% A
10% B
10% C
10% D
10% E
20% fail

Then that's what initially happened this year under the algorithm, even if the teacher assessment was
25% A*
25% A
15% B
15% C
10% D
9% E
1% fail

So the government had unequivocally instructed ofqual that there was to be no grade inflation and what followed was inevitable and clearly foreseeable weeks if not months ahead even by a very average Joe such as myself.

The fact is that there is no obvious or fair way to award grades for exams people didn't sit. They went for no grade inflation so as not to devalue grades achieved in 2020 and to keep university admissions from being disrupted by people overall having inflated grades thus courses being unexpectedly over filled.

The government then back tracked to be more popular. Giving out higher grades makes you more popular with everyone taking the exams and their families.

There was never any complex algorithm. OFQUAL adjusted the results as the government had instructed them to, and then the government changed its mind at the last minute and tried to shift blame for this.

Historically, teacher assessment was accurate in predicting exam results for just 16% of pupils. Any estimate of grades without taking the exam would always result in inaccuracies and in winners and losers.

Finally someone that understands.

There was nothing wrong with the algorithm, it was teacher predictions and rankings that were put in. Those ranked top, would get the grades, those ranked middle might lose out if the school over inflated.

All the politicians south and north were defending this. Nicola Sturgeon was backing the process for a week. Someone must have whispered "these kids can vote in the next election" and she back tracked. Once she did, Wales did. NI next, and England really had no choice.

I think everyone forgets every year they normalise the grades into a bell curve. If everyone scored a genuine 80% - 50% have to be down graded to fit the bell curve.

Totickleamockingbird · 27/08/2020 15:01

None of them want to take responsibility but they are all being paid.
This is what I am pissed off about too. But I also suspect there is a lot that they are hiding.
And I wonder how this incompetency and secrecy translates for Brexit and Covid. Sad

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Eve · 03/09/2020 07:14

Anyone see ofqual answers to the MPs yesterday - Clear where they think blame lies.

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