that this is a little... ambitious?

[lilyboleyn]

Don’t know HOW this popped up on my eBay recommended bit, but OMG the price.

it's a bit like the property renovation delusion.

Just because you physically spend time (effort and money) in something doesn't mean you bring actual value to it. You can spend tens of thousands in your home and not increase its value by a penny.

You can also waste your time and money to create something absolutely worthless 🤷

value is what people are prepare to PAY for it, not what you've spent...

value is what people are prepare to PAY for it, not what you've spent.

This is very true. But in general, the "public" are not prepared to pay for time. Like the poster upthread being asked to spend 30 hours making a lace shawl for the cost of the yarn plus a tenner. Or the numerous threads with posters being outraged at being asked for £100 for a cake which took 8 hours to make.

Things that are handmade are valued very poorly in general. Probably because they're mostly made by women.

That’s NOT my Popple.

I loved mine. Sniff.

Things that are handmade are valued very poorly in general. Probably because they're mostly made by women.

nothing to do with "women", more that people have lost touch being bombarded by much cheaper version from China or mass produced somewhere.

You can buy a perfectly nice birthday cake from your supermarket for £20, and that becomes the base line.

Definitely not unreasonable. I wouldn't buy it cause it's ugly haha... But handcrafts take a lot of time... And people should be paid for that time🤷

The shipping makes me want to cry haha

@NameChange84

That’s NOT my Popple.

I loved mine. Sniff.

I still have mine💕my kids play with it!

Popple,s are a vinage collectable these days. I have one I got when Iwas ten. Actually I have two.

Just noticed thats just a knitted toy not an actual popple.

@june2007

Just noticed thats just a knitted toy not an actual popple.

easy mistake, the likeness is uncanny 😂

At least that hideous thing is actually handmade and would have taken some time to make. Plus wool is expensive. I saw a pair of earrings on ebay the other day that were listed at £50, when I know for a fact that the components wouldn't have cost even a couple of pounds, and they could have been made in 5 mins. It makes me quite angry to think that someone who has no experience buying jewellery making supplies might buy those not knowing how badly they are being ripped off.

My eyes!

@GeorgiaWeLoveYou

Hideous. I have seen countless business pages pop up on my Instagram recently with people selling handmade crafts for £££ when they can easily be made yourself for a fraction of that price. Yes, you're paying for the labour but it doesn't justify these unrealistic price points.

It's £20 - how much cheaper would you want it to be? That's a lot of work for £20. Plus the cost of the materials...

I wouldn't give it house room, but not because of the price.

Cheap given the labour time.
Rather...niche though and I’m not sure who would actually pay that.

Those are probably the ugliest things I've ever seen.

Good luck selling those for £40+!

I saw someone selling cakes on Facebook the other day, no skill whatsoever (may taste better than they looked) nd charging £40 for single or £75 for double tier cake....and every so often this person pops up on the local groups with "deals" for their manky looking cupcakes

Everyone is trying to make a quick buck!!!

Hmmm, it’s hideous and not very well made either tbh, I crochet toys and they are much nicer. The stitching is so loose on that, the embroidery... just yuck.

But... I would estimate around 4-5 hours work, give or take. Cost of yarn, which in Australia is higher than the UK. Cost of stuffing. Ebay fees. Then, at least in the UK, if selling as a toy you require CE testing which is complex and costly. Plus I’m presuming Popples are trademarked? Don’t know who owns that but Disney are litigious bastards and will go after anyone selling something that they own.

So good luck to the seller. This is why I don’t sell my makes, gifts only for people I genuinely love. I costed up a doll I made last week for DD which then got lots of love on social media. 15 hours work for a toy around 8 inches tall, with clothes and accessories. Ain’t worth my time to try and sell! DD loves her though.

Anyone else got the Popples theme tune stuck in their head now?

I know where its coming from sockyarn. I was surprised that someone would not only buy it, but pay that much postage on top.

Even at AUS$ 35 that is below minimum labour wages. Crochet takes time and skill.

Unsure as to why pp think it's not expensive. Bought my granddaughter a hand crocheted rainbow to hang in her window. All the proper colours, 20cm wide and corresponding tassels 40cm. Obviously not as intricate as that popple but not as ugly either. A fiver plus £1.30 p&p

@butterpuffed

Unsure as to why pp think it's not expensive. Bought my granddaughter a hand crocheted rainbow to hang in her window. All the proper colours, 20cm wide and corresponding tassels 40cm. Obviously not as intricate as that popple but not as ugly either. A fiver plus £1.30 p&p

£5 covers materials but nothing really to pay the person making it. If you are paying that little, you must know a slave somewhere has hand crocheted it.

You are experiencing sticker shock because you’ve been complicit in slave labour for so long. Most things bought in the West from the East are bought cheaply because it was made by slaves.

We often talk about slavery in terms of the transatlantic slave trade from hundreds of years ago. But hardly anyone is aware of their role as a consumer of slave made goods today. Yet everyone is used to paying too low prices for clothes and other hand made items.

@PlanDeRaccordement

I bought it from Etsy from a lady in the UK who makes them ~ she mentioned that they may take a week to arrive as she needed time to make them and also because it was earlier in lockdown and Royal Mail was slower.

Some people are just nice and don't want to make a huge profit.

[quote butterpuffed]@PlanDeRaccordement

I bought it from Etsy from a lady in the UK who makes them ~ she mentioned that they may take a week to arrive as she needed time to make them and also because it was earlier in lockdown and Royal Mail was slower.

Some people are just nice and don't want to make a huge profit.[/quote]
But that means she can’t make a living from it. It’s ‘nice‘ to share the things you make as a hobby, but by your logic, all handmade items for sale would have to be made by hobbyists and not professionals, and nobody would ever be able to make a living as a hand maker of things.

@butterpuffed
Well, at least you’re admitting you knowingly paid a price too low to include fair paid labour. Unfortunately, you seem to think you’re entitled to get something for below the true cost of making it. There’s a difference between not paying a huge profit and paying so low a price you know the labour is unpaid. Would you work for free? And sell whatever you do for a living at cost? Then why expect others to?

@PlanDeRaccordement & @AdoptAdaptImprove with regards to your responses to @butterpuffed, did it occur to you that actually it was the sellers hobby and she/he/they just enjoy making stuff and charging for materials? The seller puts a price on Etsy, not the buyer. So obviously they charge what they believe the item is worth. Not everyone is trying to make a living from it, sometimes it is just a passtime - especially in lockdown.

HM1984 ~ I was going to say the same but decided against because if you defend yourself in here it's a magnet for attackers !