to think the BBC has had it's day and it really is over now?

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Obviously this debate has been rumbling for years, but it seems to me that the tide has turned very quickly in recent months.

They genuinely do not seem to represent anyone well, and the license fee model is just so broken and irrelevant to how we now consume our art, news and content.

It remains a great idea (possibly fundamental to a civilised society) to have a non-biased media outlet, but the BBC just do not seem up to the job.

Does anyone still feel they are a reliable source of news? Does anyone agree with the license fee model? Can we not get their type of content elsewhere, by choice?

I think it is one of the best things this country has come up with. Not perfect, nothing is, but it has produced some fantastic content (including the best natural history content in the world) and I think it makes other broadcasters in this country raise their game. Without it I could see the British media landscape gradually degenerating.

If we ever lose it that’s one more British success story gone. Might as well just give up and let the Americans take over everything on our screens.

Mumsnetters hate the BBC. I watch a lot of BBC output - currently enjoying reruns of Line of Duty on iPlayer.

Radio 2 keeps me company while I am working.

The licence fee is excellent value for money for me.

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I totally object to being forced to pay for the licence , they do make some good programmes but so do many other sources , so i don't think they are good value anymore.
It crossed my mind a few days ago that in my house out of 5 of us only 2 watch bbc and we can go weeks without watching it anyway .
I loathe the excess salaries paid to the small pool of repeat presenters who are generally quite repetitive and boring.
I don't like ads but could tolerate them in return for no fee.
They need to change,i also hope the over 75 fiasco causes them mayhem .

Panorama have had a few news stories about care homes during the covid crisis which were pretty damming ( about ppe as well) it wasn't very complimentary about the government's handling of it all.
It's not perfect , but if it were to go or be disbanded I think people would miss it.
My sons are in their 20s and they don't watch tv at all ( just Netflix or I player ) so they probably wouldn't miss having it around , as an older woman myself I most definitely would.

I object to the license fee model. It relies on intimidation, and sends letters to any address without a license, which are threatening. I legitimately did not have a license, and received a visit from enforcement, who insisted they had a right to enter my property. I was home alone, and refused this, on the basis that I did not have verification of their identity, did not expect the visit, and they had no right of entry. I felt pretty shooken up by it. It's a really dangerous message that they are sending, that unexpected callers can enter your property without consent. Vulnerable or elderly callers risk being burgled by those posing as TV license enforcement.

I haven't watched any BBC content in years, aside from Attenborough stuff, and even that I watch on Netflix. If I could ditch the licence fee I would, all my favourite shows have come from other channels....although I do have incredibly fond memories of Live and Kicking!

I basically pay my licence fee to avoid being hassled by letters and visits. It is ridiculous really.

I love the BBC and I love that it is advert free. I like the content on radio, tv (including the amazing cbeebies) and the website.

Sky £80 pm. well that depends on what package you have. We have phone, broadband, and some channels but not sport, movies for that.

Like the curates egg BBC is good in parts. It behoves us to find our news from different sources not just the BBC

I think the BBC should stay but some departments need a big kick up the arse.

This. It's by no means perfect and there are lots of things I'd like to see changed, such as the amount presenters are paid and the dumbing down of reporting but I would like to keep it.

Daisy exactly! There are pictures alongside headlines of "schools are safe" with children in summer uniform in masks and in bubbles of 6.

They probably were like that and it won't be like that.

Google bbc news and schools and you'll see them.

I was really disappointed with their questioning during the Covid briefings. I felt they had a real chance to represent the nation and ask those questions problem had back on March to June yet it was thrown away.

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I guess they are giving pictures of schools like they were before the summer perhaps?

That isn't how they will be. If they are saying they are safe show them as they'll be.

Not teachers in gloves and aprons and masks taking the temperature of children in masks.

It misleading parents when it's already been recognised many are anxious about sending their kids back. When they know the pictures lie all it does is make them question why they have to hide realism.

It's lazy journalism.

I know it will be different, it annoyed me how they also mentioned outbreaks in schools before the summer too. My DC were in then and it was nothing like how it is going to be. Not at all.

I don't watch anything on BBC anymore or listen to the radio. The kids have grown out of CBeebies and they don't like cbbc.

I can get most bbc content on Netflix anyway so I'm paying twice for it.

During lockdown I switched to itv news instead of bbc and I won't switch back now.

Take a look at what passes for News and Public Services media in USA and thank our lucky stars we still have the BBC.. and at an absolutely bargain price.

The BBC  also functions to  keep all other UK broadcasters  up to the mark, trying to compete with BBC  production and service standards. If it wasn't for the BBC , ITV would be broadcasting  the equivalent of Fox News .

I haven’t bothered with the bbc for a couple of years now tbh. And finally stopped paying the licence fee a year or so ago - just filled in their form and I’ve heard nothing more since.

I realised that as a family we don’t watch much tv anyway, and if we do it’s Netflix or amazon. And any radio or podcasts are internet-based stations. Seemed a waste of money paying the licence fee.

As for their news, I felt they stopped being impartial several years ago, and have far too much of a bias towards the government.

I can’t bear BBC left-wing socialism

I like their radio stations, and I like some of the programmes, so on balance I'm happy to pay for it.

The news online has gone downhill though. I know it's fast-paced and 24 hour etc, but recently they seem to be going for 'exciting' headlines rather than actually reporting a storybook properly. Don't get me started on whoever told them they had to have a strong finishing sentence. I freely admit I'm not a journalist, but the change in tone to the last paragraph of "Is it finally time for a change? We can only wait and see." veers between distracting and comical depending on who's written it.

Name me another source of news that is unbiased. the people I know who moan the most about the BBC seem to get most of their news from social media and are the worst at falling for the newspapers terrible biases.

*story, not storybook

Very much a case of “be careful what you wish for”.

Have you ever watched TV in a hotel room in the States or in Australia?

That’s what we’re in for without the BBC.

The BBC provides a fantastic service for the price of the licence fee.

Other UK channels then have to compete with this high standard in order to survive.

In countries with no license fee model, just look at the huge amount of advertising and dross TV designed to pull in money through phone ins and competitions.

Ad breaks every 4 minutes sometimes in America. Even ad banners whilst programs are on. It becomes unwatchable.

If ITV, Channel 4 etc....were like that over here, nobody would watch. They have to compete with the standards set by the BBC.

Excellent dramas, documentaries etc. The children’s TV is outstanding. Compare it to constant NICK Jr and POP!!

If the bias in news reporting needs addressing, then there are other ways to look at this. It can’t be worth losing all the benefits of the BBC on this one issue.

I don't usually watch itv in the mornings. Usually because I work but mostly because I can't stand PM!

But I've enjoyed these summer hols watching it. They've had a fabulous diverse presenting team who have been completely bias with a very inclusive panel of guests.

I've had a chance to listen to arguments from all sides and cultures and form my own decisions.

I've been pleasantly surprised and impressed.

When I went back to bbc on a Saturday I found it dreary and also found the presenters stilted and actually quite immature in their presentation.

Non bias.

Fgs that's twice I've made that mistake now 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣

www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/70_pc_tv_licensing_convictions_women/?mt=1500536807265

There is also the cost of managing the collections which runs to around £100Million a year.

Capita have recently been handed £30+million to manage the license fee collections. Capita is a private company that also have a hand in the government disability assessments.

£3.7billion the BBC took in last year.
Whilst they're busy sending poor people to court, getting them a criminal conviction and fining them, they're paying Graham Norton £610k a year salary as well as paying Graham Nortons Production company... Which also pays Graham Norton a salary of £3.9million, down from £5million. That's just Norton.. they pay their top talents 6 figure sums on paper but also pay their production companies huge amounts too. This way they don't have to declare it so openly, they can publish figures that don't include production company info.

There is now talk of them dropping the news at 6&10pm as it's not attracting young audiences, young audiences don't watch BBC. The older generations watch BBC the most, the very ones they've just taken the free TV away from.

Recently it came to light that almost £150million less license fees were collected than previous years as more and more people abandon the BBC. 900000 people or so declared they no longer wanted the license.

None of that matters much really. Personally, I don't believe in paying for something I dont like or use. I don't like sky, so I don't pay for it. I like Netflix so I do. No one should be forced by threat of criminal proceedings to pay for something they get no use out of. They either need to go subscription or ad supported.

There's still alot on the BBC that I watch. I also listen to BBC radio. I would miss it if it was gone. If I see some outlandish news story on social media, I check BBC news to see if it's true! If it's not there, it hasn't happened!