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To think that Angry Betty should be released from prison

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northernstar0412 · 25/08/2020 01:49

Betty Broderick, aka Angry Betty, the subject of the Netflix Dirty John 2 series - shot dead her ex-husband and his OW in California in 1989.

In 1991 she was sentenced to 32 years to life and has twice been denied parole. She won't be eligible again till 2032, when she is 84.

Other murderers are released before serving all of their terms and I think she should be freed. OK, so Betty was no angel, but the balance of her mind was disturbed when she committed her crimes and the only two people she posed a threat to are gone.

I feel sorry for Betty and can't help thinking she is being made an example of partly because her exH was a prominent and influential lawyer widely known and respected throughout the California law enforcement system.

Her first trial resulted in a hung jury, and such was the level of provocation Betty was subjected to, on many levels, by her exH and his OW that a male juror said of the shootings: "I don't know what took her so long."

Not that I am condoning murder. But she's done her time. I say, "Free Betty Broderick".

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BitOfFun · 25/08/2020 01:54

Well, she hasn't done her time, has she? That's why she's still in prison. She killed two people.

PurpleMonkeyDishwasher86 · 25/08/2020 02:33

Some murderers are released early, but the majority are not. California also has the death penalty, or did until they were halted in 2019. She took the the life of two people. The logic that she can't pose a threat to them so should be released seems totally illogical to me. She was a threat and acted on it. If the same circumstances happened again, nobody knows how she would react so she could still be a threat, just not to those already dead.

DulciUke · 25/08/2020 02:39

Parole boards want to see remorse and for the prisoner to take responsibility for their actions. She has not. Also doesn't help that the case was so notorious.

lljkk · 25/08/2020 02:53

The lawyer community joke in San Diego was "Dan set out to drive her crazy and problem is he did too good of a job."

I'd like Brenda Spencer get out before BB gets out. BS also killed 2 people. BS has shown remorse. But BS won't get parole, either.

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 25/08/2020 02:55

Just been reading up on her case.
It's very sad.
Betty should not have killed her ex-husband & his wife. Though I do believe that it wasn't premeditated & it appears she was in a dissociative state when she shot them,
It's not surprising about the state she was in considering she'd been emotionally & financially abused & gaslighted by her ex-husband during the final years of their marriage & his manipulation of her during the divorce proceedings.
He wanted to destroy her financially & emotionally.
It's a shame that she couldn't keep keep her anger in check (caused by the way he had treated her) & not rise to his baiting of her. She should have played the long game & kept her cool.
If they had been a British couple in a UK Family Law court now in 2020, coercive control/financial abuse would have been applied & he wouldn't have been allowed to use his role as a lawyer to consistently manipulate the proceedings in order to leave Betty with next to nothing.

So yes I agree it's about time she was freed, she's done her time.

araiwa · 25/08/2020 03:00

Fuck that

Double murderer should rot in jail for the rest of their life

Howallergic · 25/08/2020 03:03

Never heard of this case, but like the name 'Angry Betty' lol.

Sorry for the absolutely irrelevant input.

Free Angry Betty I say! I'm sure she has calmed down by now.

TitsOutForHarambe · 25/08/2020 03:19

How do you know that she doesn't pose a threat to anyone else?

Any murderer can say that the people they posed a threat to aren't around anymore... because they murdered them.

Redglitter · 25/08/2020 03:25

Describing her as 'Angry Betty' is minimising her crime. I saw a series on this a number of years ago. I hope she never gets released. Her behaviour after her divorce was shocking. Her kids were terrified of her and she broke into her ex husbands house in the middle of the night and shot him.& his wife dead.

She deserves to spend the rest of her life behind bars

ThatsNotMyMeerkat · 25/08/2020 03:43

She has been denied parole twice because she is too stubborn to even fake some contrition. So no, she shouldn't be released.
Also - the netflix series paints her very sympathetically. The accounts of her children differ quite strongly about the state of the marriage and how her actions affected them. She treated her children appallingly during the divorce.

LemonTT · 25/08/2020 04:38

@ThatsNotMyMeerkat

She has been denied parole twice because she is too stubborn to even fake some contrition. So no, she shouldn't be released. Also - the netflix series paints her very sympathetically. The accounts of her children differ quite strongly about the state of the marriage and how her actions affected them. She treated her children appallingly during the divorce.
This

The Netflix version of events ignores a lot of well established and publicly examined facts about this woman’s behaviour. She is a text book version of a narcissist. She is a danger to anyone who would be in a relationship with her. Her own children have described abuse towards them during and after the marriage. This includes physical abuse.

That she was married to a vile man doesn’t justify what she did. As a couple they were vile. The typical MAGA selfish and entitled People who see themselves as being above the law and societal norms.

PlanDeRaccordement · 25/08/2020 04:57

How was her exDHs new wife ever a threat to Betty? No, she needs to stay in prison. You can’t confuse a sympathetic actress in a Netflix fiction film that with the reality of the real Betty plotting and then killing two human beings.

SummerPoppies · 25/08/2020 05:13

I read the book a couple of years ago.
I'm not surprised that she's still in prison.
Her thoughts and emotions went far beyond the normal parameters of a woman wronged.

SummerPoppies · 25/08/2020 05:15

The biography I meant to say, not a fictional thing.
The court transcripts are eye opening.

AlternativePerspective · 25/08/2020 05:23

The term “angry Bettie” minimises the fact she was both a brutal murder and that she abused her children.

It doesn’t really matter what kind of victim she claimed to be, two wrongs don’t make a right.

If she’d killed the husband when in a state of panic e.g. during a physical attack there could be some understanding, but actively going round to his house to shoot him and his new wife is not an understandable reaction no matter how you dress it up.

Hopefully she’ll rot in jail as she deserves to, just like other murderers.

Howaboutanewname · 25/08/2020 06:24

I thought Netflix did a good job of showing how badly she was treated but how off the scale her own anger was and how poorly she handled it. The narcissist in her was very clear. I wanted to like her because I understood her pain (my ex was of the same gaslighting ilk) but the show clearly demonstrated her inability to take stock and do the right thing for her children. He didn’t deserve to die but he was hardly innocent.

It is a standing ‘joke’ between myself and a good friend that had an altercation between my now ex and I taken place in the kitchen with an availability of knives on the counter top, one of us would be dead and the other in prison. In fact, the way some people treat those they once said they loved, I’m not sure why it doesn’t happen more often.

Bishybarnybee · 25/08/2020 06:57

Do not mistake a TV programme for a trial. You are not the judge and jury. You are watching a piece of entertainment. Not the same thing at all.

willowdeandickson · 25/08/2020 09:01

I thought the Netflix series was quite sympathetic her and rightfully showed how she was never going to get a fair divorce given Dan’s prominence and influence, and attitudes to women and divorce in the 80s. He had her committed!”
As PP said he set out to drive her crazy, there was premeditation on his part, and did too good a job...
However I think they were both awful people, and their total disregard for their kids was shocking.
I was surprised to learn she was still in prison, however she is apparently not remorseful and appears to have rebelled in the notoriety.
The idea they floated in the series about perceptions and what is the truth was interesting, as there really is no out and out victim in the case, apart from their children.

northernstar0412 · 25/08/2020 11:11

@lljkk

The lawyer community joke in San Diego was "Dan set out to drive her crazy and problem is he did too good of a job."

I'd like Brenda Spencer get out before BB gets out. BS also killed 2 people. BS has shown remorse. But BS won't get parole, either.

Very interesting Iljkk. Thanks for your thoughts, folks, all very interesting. I didn't watch just the Netfix series but have read up on the case too, and I still feel that she has (almost) done her time.
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JanewaysBun · 25/08/2020 12:08

I haven't seen the Netflix thing but have just looked her up.
Yes she seems mentally unstable but the XH abused her and caused everything to happen, I don't think she should ever have gone to prison but may be a mental institution for 10 years.

The animals that killed the PC in Berkshire got off basicslly when whatvthry did was pure evil. This woman was tortured and finally lashws out, unfortunate that the new wife was caught in the crossword obvs.

LoseLooseLucy · 25/08/2020 12:23

I don’t think the new wife was completely innocent in it all, wasn’t she sending Betty face creams and weight loss paraphernalia as a dig?

Obviously she didn’t deserve to die though. I believe Bad Betty should serve her full sentence.

Enoughnowstop · 25/08/2020 12:28

unfortunate that the new wife was caught in the crossword obvs

The new wife was also the other woman who clearly had her own part to play in the mess. She must have been aware of his game playing and either turned a blind eye or took part in the all the fun.

I once caught my ex and OW in a car park in our town, closest to our doctor’s surgery. Ex was aware our child had an appointment. I was exhausted and couldn’t find a parking space with 2 spaces free (hate parking and when tired, don’t do it well) until I’d gone up about 4 levels. Plenty of space ex would have used had he been there accidentally at the same time. They parked behind me and when I returned to the spot, he had the car door open and was rummaging in the glove box. They hopped into their car sharpish and drove off laughing their heads off. I’ll never forget it. The OW was no innocent victim and clearLy enjoyed seeing me stressed and upset. I never found out what the we’re looking for either!

starskey80 · 25/08/2020 12:38

Oh God @enoughnowstop, that's horrible, you poor thing.

My ex has a vile ow, who came to our house several times pretending to be his friend's gf so she could sneer and mock my home.
Thankfully I took the high road and love my kids more than anything, I also reckon living happy is the best revenge :)

In Betty's care I think the fact that she still shows no remorse, and I doubt she ever will. I think she honestly felt it was the only end to the situation. Him or her.

Horrible for the kids in that situation.

Leaannb · 25/08/2020 12:41

She deserves to die where she is at.

AlternativePerspective · 25/08/2020 14:02

But there’s no actual evidence that the husband abused her was there? But there’s plenty of evidence of her abusing her children, dumping them on her husband (if he was abusive would she have done that?) and then killing him and his new wife in the same house her children were living.

Some women do play the abuse card to try to justify their abhorrent crimes. Not everyone who stands in court accused of a violent crime and who claims they were abused actually was. But it’s a good sympathy draw.