£19,000 per-rata? What would this actually be?

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www.teachfirst.org.uk/academic-mentors

This is a coronavirus mentor scheme.
It says if you get the job, you would be paif £19,000 per year (pro-rata dependent on start date).
At the moment, it is only open to qualified teachers but will soon open for non-qualified.

I am currently a primary supply teacher and i'm not sure whether to apply for it.
The only thing putting me off is the pay.
Am I right in the assumption that £19,000 would actually be around £13,000-£14,000 when pro-rata is taken into account?

If so, I find this quite an offputting pay for qualified teachers and then I think maybe I should stick with supply, but then again it's uncertain how much work there will be but I did enjoy supply last year.

But maybe i'm wrong and misunderstanding. Can I have some advice?

You would still get paid around £1400 a month regardless of when you start. Pro rota isn't really the right phrase as that's usually used when you work less

No it means £19k for a full time position.

If you worked 3 days you'd get 3 5ths of the salary.

Nothing to do with start date.

Actually they also say it's a fixed term position. So the £19k is for a full year. If you work less than a year you get less, obviously!

I male that £10 per hour? That can't be right surely for a qualified teacher?

@nephrofox yes I took it like that but the salary would remain the same surely she just wouldn't get paid as many months. So if the contract runs from August for a full year you'd get £19000 all in but if you didn't start 'til Christmas you obviously wouldn't earn £19000 but you'd still get the same monthly pay

Think they are taking the piss asking for a qualified teacher for that money.

It mentions being able to so it part time so I guess it refers to that, although I didnt see where it said what full time hours are.

It will soon be open for unqualified teachers but the past month it's been only qualified teachers that can apply,
My family are saying i'm silly to stop supply for it when i'm a qualified teacher and should stick with supply,
But I think many teachers will go for this for the security

Is it term time only? If so, it means that you get paid for working 40 weeks a year rather than 52 - holiday. There's a complicated thing about how much holiday you get paid for.

Welcome to the world of school support staff, positions traditionally occupied by women earning a little pin money while the kids are at school and paid accordingly.

@ThatLibraryMiss it's shocking how much support staff are paid!
My cousin is a TA, she is 30 and loves her job but she makes around £12,000 a year,
She is happy because she loves working with the children but I can't believe TAs aew thought so little of to be paid so little!

Actually it could be only 39 weeks a year, depending on whether they want you to work inset days. And they may want you to do about six hours a day rather than the usual full working day of 7.5 hours.

@ThatLibraryMiss ah your post makes me feel that maybe it's not worth it and I should see how supply goes and wait to see what other opportunities come up

Grade D (level 3) support staff get £21-22.5k a year pro rata.

So 30 hours a week for 46.2 weeks of a year it's about £16.5k

It's a similar job role but they aren't qualified teachers.

I'd be wary about the actual salary and would ask how they work it out.

But if you get £19k minimum and it's for 5 lessons per day and no planning/meetings etc it seems a good deal.

Stunnnnd, just wait until you realise how little support staff are valued - like when SLT talk about "all staff" and it turns out they mean "all staff that are important", i.e. teachers.

Use Salary Calculator you can find out pro rata etc. You can put in pension %, tax code, uni repayments and it'll calculate the take home pay.. Brilliant

Support staff don't get paid well at all. I work in a special school where I often get hurt. I take home 12k a year. I do like my job but the moment my youngest is old enough I'm finding something that pays better as being a single parent it's hardly enough to live on.

Do you all think it might ruin my chances of securing a future teaching job?
As in, if I was on supply and supply picks up then I will hopefully have opportunities to teach,
Whereas because this is more of a support role then could I be out the loop when it comes to jobs?

I wouldn't want to work for an employer which clearly values teachers so little. Unbelievably poor salary for qualified professionals.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention OP.
It's an interesting one for sure - the start date was from October I noticed so that takes off a month. I don't expect September to be busy though unless covering mid to long term/shielding/quarantining.

I haven't asked my agency how many Teacher Days they have pre-booked (I expect they wouldn't tell me).
The Teaching First says book here for academic mentors - I do wonder if it's a way to cover absence/socially distancing by employing for small groups and whether you'd get clobbered for general cover/break duties but I am a cynic.
I have noticed quite a few TA/LM roles recently - I am wondering if they will be used for dual bubbles/as learning cover supervisors as opposed to trying to bridge Covid gaps 1-1:
Am off for a
Back in a bit x

It is confusing as the blurb says for career changers and you will be able to explore the world of teaching without commitment to or paying for teaching training but then when you go to apply, it says it is only for qualified teachers?

I used to be a teacher and now an SEN TA. Full time pay is about 24k but support staff always get pro rata so I get about 17k (don’t get paid for the holidays). It’s a huge pay cut from what I had before but the workload is about half as do nothing at home (wouldn’t expect to for that money). The expectation is you get another job in the holidays if you need cash. It was only supposed to be temporary but due to Covid am now very grateful I have it! I’m lucky in that it’s a very good department and (very unusual IME) kind and supportive SLT. Feel free to PM me about any questions etc.

P.s. but obviously the job wasn’t advertised to qualified teachers only and yours seems very different!

Oh and very quickly, week before lockdown I could have been booked 5x over (secondary). I really don't think that will be the case this term, not unless I am put on some sort of bubble retainer and who can afford that?
I am usually day-to-day/short term (by choice - lone parent/childcare responsibilities incl atypical) - Due to cross-infection I daresay many secondaries will not use us unless desperate.

I say cannon fodder as any last minute calls at 7.45am will probably be for self-isolating until tested/woke up with a cough variety.

It's tricky - short term supply I would only be on about 18k anyway as there are lulls. This year I am tied geographically. I did see a TA role and regret not applying. I just was not sure how I was going to do that (have done it for a term before) with distancing/the expectation on SENDCOs and TAs to bridge the 4 month deficits.

I think we will struggle in a gig economy though.

@SupplyTeacherakaCannonFodder hi,
I am feeling very cynical about it right now and I have decided not to apply and stick to my usual supply route in hope for teaching.
My worry with this is that it will be more support role/TA than actual mentor, especially since soon it will open to unqualified teachers,

One of the things I don't understand about this is why they would pay qualified and unqualified teachers the same, yet atm it is only open to qualified teachers. To me that's what makes me think it's more TA role than mentor but taking advantage of qualified teachers with that pay as they know loads will be desperste in uncertain times,

I happily take TA work with my agency when teaching is slow so I will see how things go for the next 2 months and then panic if things are slow

Regretsy
How will Covid safeguarding rules impact your role?
What were your duties during lockdown?
Are you primary/secondary/special?
Do you foresee second wave closures?
How will you run any interventions you do?
Thanks in advance