Not to want a vaccine Trump has fast-tracked to improve his election chances?

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www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-23/trump-mulls-fast-tracking-u-k-covid-vaccine-before-election-ft

For all the FDA's denials, it seems entirely likely that a desperate Trump will try to do this, particularly given his recent conspiracy theory tweets that "deep state" is delaying the vaccine.

I'm normally in favour of vaccines, but something that has been rushed through safety checks for political gain rings all sorts of alarm bells for me. Anyone here prepared to volunteer?

Are you in the US?

If not you’re unlikely to get “trump’s” vaccine so stop being hysterical

YANBU. Normally I am all for vaccination but in this case, with that amoral criminal, I will wait and speak to my Dr before me and the kids get it.

I would not trust anything that man has touched, especially after the bleach drinking and the hydroxychloriquine debacle. I will wait for actual Dr's first.

I would not trust anything that man has touched

He might be a dick, but this is the oxford vaccine.

@Starbuggy: it is really foolish to behave as if nothing that happens in the US affects us. Other issues apart, we have a Prime Minister who's nearly as much of a dickhead as Trump is, and I wouldn't it past him to follow Trump's lead if he perceived a political advantage in it. The fact that the vaccine is being developed by Oxford doesn't automatically make it safe if they aren't allowed to test it properly.

Here we go again.

The Oxford vaccine is being tested in accordance with all the usual stringent procedures for clinical trials that exist in the UK. The only reason things are moving fast is that almost unlimited money and manpower are being put into this. I have worked in health research for 12 years and have volunteered for phase 3. Take the tinfoil hats off

@pointythings.

Well said.

OP Do you usually base your decision making on what Donald Trump thinks or says? If so, that's your problem right there.

I just said I don't trust Donald trumps judgement when it comes to health matters. I also don't trust Boris Johnson either. Like I said IF a vaccine becomes available I will speak to my own and my children's Dr before taking it. When it comes to this pandemic I trust scientists rather than politicians, especially the criminal ones. I would advise everyone else to do the same.

I am in the US and I'm confident that there are enough layers between me and Donald Trump, when it comes to vaccine safety.

Donald Trump is not in charge of health research in the UK.

Trump - whom I detest - has nothing to do with the development of a UK vaccine; and if he 'fast-track'ed it, it would be for Americans, not the British. I would be suspicious of anything medical that's supported only by Trump and his gang, given the poor record that he has on such subjects (disinfectants, hydroxychloroquine. etc.) But I would not reject an evidence-based treatment or vaccine just because Trump jumped on the bandwagon.

My main worry regarding Tiny Hands Trump and this vaccine is that he will buy up all the supplies and/or block distribution to other countries as part of the conditions of sale because "America First".

If the US release it early surely that would be good for the UK as more data on safety and efficacy before you were given it?

If he does go ahead with this plan I can see take up being very low given that the US has more anti-vaxxers than any other country and a vocal QAnon/Pizzagate/Bill Gate Is The Devil conspiracy theory community.

Do you usually base your decision making on what Donald Trump thinks or says? If so, that's your problem right there.

Self-evidently not. In this case, I base it on serious concerns that proper testing could be sidelined in the interests of Trump's political future.

I find it extraordinary that people base their responses solely on whether it affects them personally, or whether it is going to affect the UK. Are we not supposed to care about people being harmed so long as they're forrins?

And which vaccine developer do you think is going to skip an important stage of safety testing their product because D'Trump says so? Which government body is going to agree? Where are the doctors who'll inject it?

Big Don can talk all he wants (and he does love to talk) but this is not an area in which he us in control. And frankly you'd be better saving your concern for the thousands testing positive there every day.

I'm curious why he is planning on fast tracking the Oxford Vaccine and not the Moderna which is from a US based vaccine company and at Phase 3 much like the Oxford vaccine (not that I have anything against the Oxford Vaccine).

I suspect it has a lot to do with Putin says he has fast tracked one so Trump has to get in on the act, next Johnson will be joining in claiming he is fast tracking something that he can't . More BS from worlds biggest fools.

Okay, you don’t want the vaccine. So even if it’s put through, and even if there was a chance you’d be offered it, you’d just have to say no

You need to calm down and stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

And frankly you'd be better saving your concern for the thousands testing positive there every day.

You know what, I can be concerned about two things at once.

And being worried about the potential for a vaccine that has been rushed through and may therefore be dangerous isn't making a mountain out of anything. It's not as if there aren't precedents.

The reason the vaccine is going through the various stages so quickly though is because they have funding there and they are able to overlap stages rather than the usual process if have idea > apply for permission to proceed > wait for decision

apply for funding > wait for decision, and on. The apply and waiting stages are long and cutting those down shortens the development process considerably. In addition to this, various groups have been researching coronaviruses and coronavirus vaccines for many years so have been able to carry the research over to this particular vaccine, they weren't starting from zero.

I have no problem with a proper testing process to take place taking into account the advantages you mention, Gancanny. What I have a problem with is potential pressure to bring out a vaccine in time for the US election whether that testing process has been properly carried out or not.

We start voting in my state on Oct 5th - that's 6 weeks from now - and many people will be voting early this year.

I think we're all aware that a vaccine is not going to appear in the next 6-8 weeks, no matter what Trump says or does.