Why iQuarantine being treated seriously . ?

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Son returned from a European holiday this afternoon. He booked it and then within hours it was announced 2 weeks Quarrantine required.. after much thought he decided to go - his leave year ends in September and if he didn't take it he would lose it. Been wfh since March - hasn't seen many friends so we decided we would help him with the Quarantine requirements and told him to go.. his two friends decided to go as well.

They returned this afternoon. We spent the last two weeks sorting out a place for him to Quarantine in...

He gets to Gatwick . Has filled out all his details for track and trace and there is no one there.. just the automatic gates that you scan your passport on.

Nowhere to leave 'track and trace details' no mention of the need to Quarrantine on the flight.. just a request to fill in your details which DS ended up putting in the bin because there was nowhere else to put them.

AIBU to think that the govt have a completely half arsed attitude to this.. nothing to stop DS from coming home with us, and completely ignoring Quarrantine rules as no one checking ? I rented a friends Airbnb for him. It cost 275 for two weeks (mates rates) .. have I just wasted a pile of money by trying to be responsible and following give advice ? When no one seems that bothered. DS pretty sure one of his friends is just going to go to work and tell them he went to Portugal - they would t know otherwise !

Ridiculous isn't it. Absolute shambles.

Yes .. a huge shambles - where those who try to follow whatever latest 'rule' to be announced - at huge expense and inconvenience. (Think of all those buying additional flights at inflated prices - giving up days of their hard earned holiday) .. when those who have no social responsibility feel no consequence for their actions.. (Dominic Cummings springs to mind as an exact example of ' ill make my own decisions and not suffer any censure for it)

Sorry - thread title fail.. 'Why isn't Quarantine being taken seriously' ..

I expect he'll get a phone call tomorrow.
DD1 left Spain on Wednesday following a six week stay. She was honest on her form saying she was quarantining at home for three night before going on to her uni address to finish quarantine.
She got a phone call next morning (she slept though it) and they left a message saying they'd call next day, which they duly did. This morning she got another call to confirm she is at the second address she named.
This after she was moaning about no one asking her about the form at the airport.
Obviously they can track well enough when it suits them !

Just re-read the thread. Why couldn't he quarantine at home? The person quarantining does not have to separate from the whole household (bizarre and non sensical but thems the rules)

Did she Quarrantine at home with you drivinmecrazy ?

What do you mean ? Surely someone 'Quarrantinning cannot be with their family .. unless the family is going to quarantine for two weeks as well ??? Or it's NOT quarantine ..

When your Dc went to uni address is she completely isolated from all others with food delivered ? Or is she in a house in contact with others who are out and about ??

Not with me because I'm still in Spain. But she did with DH for a few days. They just limited contact.
DD is a stickler for the rules and checked it all out.
At her uni house two of her housemates are biomed students who have both spent the past few months working in testing labs so are pretty au fait with the rules and said it's fine for her to join them in the house.
She has to stay in but they have to be aware of symptoms.
It does not have to be an isolated quarantine.
Bonkers really!!

Not according to the official rules..

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

The returner should not have any contact !

"The people you’re staying with do not need to stay at home, unless they travelled with you.

If you’re staying in a hotel or guest house, you must stay away from others who didn’t travel with you, so it’s important that you don’t use shared areas such as bars, restaurants, health clubs and sports facilities. Stay 2 metres apart from other people staying there at all times.

It’s important to avoid as much contact with other people as possible in your home in order to reduce the risk of transmitting coronavirus. You should stay in a well-ventilated room with a window to the outside that can be opened, separate from other people in your home."

You definitely don't need to rent an air bnb.... just keep 2 metres apart, don't hug and leave windows open where you can....

Not how we read it. It's obviously important to maintain SD guidance and other precautions.
But it's different guidelines for people in shared accommodation who are showing symptoms.
DD spoke in depth with whoever phoned her and confirmed she didn't need to isolate from the household.
Sensible precautions are being adhered to.
Why not wait until your son gets a call in the next few days so he can confirm the measures he needs to take
Just like DD did.
I do agree the guidelines are not clear for quarantine as apposed to self isolation.
Two different things

From the rules you posted:

“How to self-isolate in your accommodation
You should self-isolate in one place for the full 14 days, where you can have food and other necessities delivered, and stay away from others. You must self-isolate at the address you provided on the public health passenger locator form.

This can include:

your own home
staying with friends or family
a hotel or other temporary accommodation“

And further down:

“The people you’re staying with do not need to self-isolate, unless they travelled with you or you develop symptoms of coronavirus.”

I’m not saying it makes sense, but according to the rules there was no need for you to book accommodation, other than to lower the risk for your own household.

Just Another example of non sensical guidance being spewed by our glorious government.
Unclear and decisive.
Sums up this whole shit show really!

@drivinmecrazy How is her son going to get a call though? There was no one for him to hand his form to when he got off the flight, so no one has his details.

Surely he did it online?
Sorry if this is not the case but i genuinely thought everyone knew it could be done that way.
Apologies if that's not the case

Our 'quarantine' is a load of nonsense. Fake grandstanding from the government to pretend they're taking precautions. How are people getting from the airport to wherever they're 'quarantining'? Mostly by public transport. Pointless. Countries doing real quarantine transport travellers by coach to quarantine hotels.

It's a shame decent responsible people like you and your son have wasted money on an airbnb, OP.

Actually I'm not sorry because he went knowing he'd have to complete a form so what is his excuse for not doing it online???

The rules are confusing. Can the family/friends you (hypothetically) are self-isolating with NOT have visitors during your quarantine? I assume not. But they can go out to work, or wherever, to environments where there are others.

The form does not have to be seen at the airport nor handed in to anyone. I believe it's only spot checks anyway so if you're asked then you present the form.

The form is online so when someone fills it in their information is accesses by who ever deals with the tracing side of things I think.

Goodness me ! Quarantine from designated countries is not the same as self isolation or local lockdowns.

If your son has decided in his wisdom to go an Holliday KNOWING he'll have to quarantine when he returns SURELY he'd have done a modicum of research and have sorted this before he left.
I have total sympathy for those who have been genuinely caught out.
But for goodness sake my 14 year old understands the rules better.
To give you both the benefit of the doubt, how old is your DC, if they're old enough to holiday independently I assume they can use a smart phone?

The form really is meant to be filled over the Internet. That's what triggers the phone calls. The paper version at the airport is supposed to be to allow people who forgot to fill the Internet form to catch up. But since no one collected it in this particular case... Looks like OP's son went through the net, so to say. By ignoring the rules.

The law abiding thing to do would be trying to fill the Internet form now, and quarantine as requested. However, the rules won't be enforced. It's entirely down to individual honesty at that stage.

And the system only blardy works if everyone behaves responsibly.
It really beggars belief that anyone travels these days without planning for every eventuality.
On the other hand, if this thread is genuine, WTF are you doing paying for an Airbnb so he can enjoy another holiday.
It's no wonder this virus isn't going any where anytime soon!!!

Quarantine in the UK is an absolute joke. I have relatives that said they were quarantining, turns out they did a Tesco shop on their way home from the airport to stock up, and then visited their parents, before 'locking down'.

I'm in Western Australia. You can only enter the state if you are a citizen or permanent resident, and then you are taken to a hotel to quarantine at your own cost for two weeks. The hotels are guarded to stop people trying to leave, and anyone who does leave gets fined and jailed if necessary. It might sound harsh, but we have no Covid in the community at all. Zero community transmission since April! We currently have 9 cases in total, all in quarantine or hospital. I feel very lucky to be living in such a safe place, and worry a lot about my UK friends and family.

So what we have done is to give him the address of his temporary home and filled it with enough food for a fortnight. We did this because we understood ' quarantine' to mean exactly that !! To assume he was infected from abroad and therefore NOT to have ANY contact with people in this country. We even drove his car to the airport and left it there for him to pick up so that he couldn't infect a taxi driver...

Now it appears to have been a complete waste of money.

No. Re the track and trace on line. It was a form handed. Out by the stewards on the flight home .. told to hand it in at passport control.. but no one there....

How on Earth does quarantine work if he is at home with family who all go out and about ??

I’m not sure why you chose to do that given nothing in the rules said you needed to
Perhaps an overabundance of caution, but logically it shouldn’t be more strict than those isolating with actual symptoms- who can stay at home or the family of children in school where a peer has tested positive (where family can go out unless child has symptoms themselves).