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Gcse deflated grades

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Zizzagaaaaahttss · 21/08/2020 00:13

Feeling absolutely deflated today

All I've heard all day long is the amount of best ever amazing grades that the gcse year has been awarded.

My dd wanted to take maths, chemistry and psychology at 6th form

Her predicted grade 7 maths ( mocks came in at 8) - became a 6 even though her maths teacher said it was a certainty in January
Her 7/6 science is now a 6/5
English Lang is down a grade and geography is down 2 grades.

She now can't take maths or chemistry (or any science) a level because her grades aren't high enough.

Last week it was wall to wall doom that a levels students missed out.
Today .... silence..... and I cant even blame an algorithm and we can't appeal either.

I was watching a girl on gmb this morning opening her results saying ooooh grade 6 maths wasn't expecting that, I think i'll do a levels now

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Yvonne44 · 28/08/2020 16:11

Have just sent a long email to them all!

Yvonne44 · 28/08/2020 16:23

Thank you Dilworth for all the information.

Bucksmum123 · 29/08/2020 00:55

I understand that the only reason you can appeal is on the basis that (unless school admit an error submitting dates) there has been bias or prejudice? My daughter was for example working at a 7 on her Fev 2020 school report, predicted a 7 on her Feb 2020 school report , but given a 6... this was English and she even volunteered to go to drop in English for 8 weeks at least to try and get her grade up to her target grade of 8. How can she have gone down from her predicted grade in her Feb school report?
Out of 10 subjects she only got the same as her Feb 2020 report predicted grades in 3 subjects... the rest all were lower . I thought predicted grades were what was written on a school report predicted grades so why 2 months later have they all been downgraded ? Do I stand a chance appealing ?

All school have said is ... we refer you back to our letter regarding appealing via Ofqual but won’t enter into a discussion .

So gutted and need advice .

Bucksmum123 · 29/08/2020 01:21

I just don’t understand how it is fair for no appeal ? I mean the school send out reports three times a year in our school with target grades, working at grades and predicted grades... surely predicted grade is the grade they predict them to get ?

Yvonne44 · 29/08/2020 07:28

Have you requested data in relation to her grades from the school's DPO? You are allowed to ask for the data on which they based their decision - mocks, predicted grades, classwork assessment, homework marks etc. If this consistently shows her as a 7 you can request context. If they refuse to respond ask for a review of her grades, on the basis you think the school have made an error. Hopefully they will do this but if not, then ask them to apeal on your behalf on the basis of school error - the school have to appeal before Sept 17th. They may refuse to do so, then you go to the exam boards. Your school need to explain the context of this sudden drop from her predicted grades. The extra data from the DPO will help your case with this as you can argue it is not just her predjcted grades. Hope this helps.

Dilworth1234 · 29/08/2020 10:29

Thank you for the info Yvonne44 , very helpful and

Bucksmum123 look back through my posts. There is one in there that talks about appealing based on lower grades, inconsistent with other higher grades. I'm afraid it is on the basis of bias or discrimination. (Which has no appeal deadine.) That's why the school's aren't being helpful. The error basis is purely administrative error, meaning a typo. Ofqual was very specific about this and it is not because the school's thinks they misinterpreted the data the first time.

There is another feed on mumsnet titled

"Ofqual - you can’t appeal CAGS or use mocks"

Maybe there is good stuff on there. I think our best bet is to get the government to change this unjust process. Look through my posts for government contact info.

Yvonne44 · 31/08/2020 21:50

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Dilworth1234 · 31/08/2020 23:29

Education Committee is meeting 2 September to talk about exams fiasco.

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Fraser1234 · 02/09/2020 16:17

Thank you Dilworth1234 for all the info. Have sent email to Ofqual and the education committee. So far I haven’t come across anyone else whose grades were quite as deflated as my daughters (8 down to a 4) so feel the school has used the algorithm and didn’t reassess after it should have been removed.
Parents must help their children get a fair and reflective result. I know overinflated results won’t want to be changed but these are wrong and will cause children to take courses they shouldn’t and adversely for deflated grades means children don’t take courses they are capable of.
This really is an injustice on all counts!

Dilworth1234 · 02/09/2020 17:06

Thank you Fraser1234 ! I'm pretty tired of fighting but I'm carrying on the fight too. (I may lose my job over it though.) I listened to all three hours of evidence testimony with the Education Committee with Ofqual today. We are definitely not alone! Of interest was the following:

Julie Swan (Executive Director at General Qualifications) stated CAGs should be based upon the individual student, not in the context of the results of historical cohorts but based ”on what grade a student would have been most likely to have achieved if they had taken their exams”.

She also spoke about the use of historical data in calculating grades and stated ”[we] said that to help them [the schools] to just check the extent that their predictions were realistic, they might look at prior performance of their students” but she went on to say “[there was] absolutely no prohibition on a centre putting a grade for a student simply because a student in a previous year hadn’t achieved that”.

She stated prior attainment was mentioned in the guidance to “help the centre, just to centre check its centre assessment grades, that that was something that they would likely want to take into account and of course we did say that it would be taken into account in [Ofqual] standardisation but what we asked centres to do was give their judgement and it’s not easy, on what grade a student would most likely have achieved had the exams taken place.”

Also, during the proceedings, Roger Taylor (Chair at Ofqual) stated a “student appeals and says we think you [the schools] got it wrong”. Per Mr Taylor, the school is then permitted to say ”we [the school] have given you [the Exams Boards] the wrong information”. That sounds like an error not a bias, something the schools should latch onto and correct. 17 Sept deadline or it becomes bias!

If you are up for hours of talking, I think this link will work for the video,
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/a3d523ca-09fc-49a5-84e3-d50c3a3bcbe3

Yvonne44 · 14/09/2020 23:09

Has anyone had any luck with appeals? No luck for me in this respect so now going to exam board. Have also asked for pre moderated CAGs and in two subjects we are querying both downgraded for no apparent reason. Have now asked for all pre moderated CAGs.

Dilworth1234 · 15/09/2020 09:58

Hi Yvonne44

I posted this on another thread on Mumsnet, "Ofqual - you can’t appeal CAGS or use mocks". It may help but in an answer to your question in a word, no, no luck.

I watched the three hour Education Committee meeting, questioning Ofqual. Ofqual stated quite clearly that schools were not asked to moderate grades and that they should not have. However, they still state in the DfE/Ofqual Appeal literature "A school or college that took into account the distribution of centre assessment grades compared with grades achieved by the centre’s students in previous years will have acted within the guidance. The taking into account of such information is not, therefore, an error."

The Education Committee is very much aware of the continued moderation/standardisation that is affecting tens of thousands of students. I'm not giving up and I fully expect there to be more options becoming available in the coming months. Perhaps even the Good Law Project will get involved. We here are involved parents. Lots of kids lost opportunities and their parents aren't able to help them as we are seeking to help our own kids. You can reach the MPs on the committee by contacting them directly, if they are your own MP or if they are not, you can write a letter and ask your own MP to forward it to the committee.

Don't forget! You can provide evidence to the Education Committee by 30 Sept. Here is the link:
committees.parliament.uk/work/202/the-impact-of-covid19-on-education-and-childrens-services/
Share this with everyone you know!

I think Ofqual is trying to frustrate parents and the process of appeals. Appeals don't need to go through schools. The two types of appeals possible are Administrative Error or Malpractice. Administrative would most likely have to go through the school (as they would have admin evidence) however, Ofqual stated "Given the care with which schools and colleges determined CAGs, we expect that it would be very unusual for them to identify such issues with CAGs."

The Malpractice Appeal can go directly to the Exam Boards (I'll give you a really long follow up, at the end here, with everything the Exam Boards say you can do and how to do it.

Schools have very little incentive to correct grades as DfE has stated they won't be judged on this year's grades, "The Government has announced that it will not publish any school or college level educational performance data based on tests, assessments or exams for 2020."

They also have little incentive to appeal grades as they may open themselves up to investigation from Ofqual. Per Ofqual, ".....the exam board will take into account the nature of the school’s or college’s mistake and how it came about when deciding whether it should take any follow up action against the school or college."

Regarding FFT. If your school used it to determine CAG (and a Subject Access Request will answer that question for you. Subject being your child, not the course subject). Look at what pupil data they use to set targets for our children. FFT uses age and gender. Both are protected characteristics and the use of them in setting CAGs is discrimination. Per Ofqual's CAG guidance, "Each centre assessment grade should be a holistic professional judgement, balancing different sources of evidence and data." "Other factors should not affect this judgement, including characteristics protected under equalities legislation such as a student’s sex, race, religion/belief, disability status, gender reassignment or sexual orientation."

Here is a lot of info. I cut and pasted this from each exam board. Funnily (going towards that whole, 'frustrating the process' idea. The links to the exam boards that Ofqual provided on their own appeals web page, don't work.

AQA Appeals
What you can’t appeal against
Schools can’t submit appeals on the grounds that they believe a student’s centre assessment grade doesn’t reflect their ability, unless this was because of an administrative error when the centre assessment grade was submitted. Appeals can’t be submitted in cases where the grade was accurately submitted at the time, but the school now wants to change it.
What you can appeal against
Appeals will be allowed where a school believes it has made an error when submitting its information - or if the school believes an exam board made a mistake or didn’t follow the proper process when calculating, assigning or communicating a grade.
Schools can submit an appeal for either an individual student, a group of students, or a full cohort.

  1. If there was an administrative error when submitting students’ centre assessment grades to us. You’ll need to attach evidence with your application to explain how the error was made, such as:
email exchanges or similar that demonstrate that the intention was to submit a different grade This appeal ground does not cover disagreements with a teacher’s judgement, or cases where a school now feels that they should have submitted a different centre assessment grade. If you'd like to appeal on the grounds there was an administrative error when submitting students’ centre assessment grades, please select the following on the webform: B) The awarding body used the wrong data in calculating results’, sub-ground i) The centre provided the awarding body with incorrect data (centre error). How to submit an initial review To submit an initial review you’ll need to: 1.download the ‘Appeal Links’ document from the e-Docs section of e-AQA. The document contains a list of all the subjects you’ve got results in, with a link next to each one. If you’re a Tech-level centre, please complete the initial review form found on Gateway. 2.click on the link next to the subject you want to appeal in, which will take you to the appeals webform 3.complete the webform, selecting the relevant appeal ground. Explain why you’re appealing as clearly as possible, providing evidence to support your appeal. If you’re submitting the initial review request on the grounds of centre administrative error, and we accept your application, we may then send you: •a pre-populated spreadsheet containing your cohort’s centre assessment grades (CAGs) and rank orders (ROs) •a new Head of Centre declaration, securely by ShareFile. You’ll then need to return your corrected CAGs, ROs and a new Head of Centre declaration to us via ShareFile. Timelines for initial review We aim to complete your initial review within 42 calendar days – although we’ll do our best to work faster and will be prioritising appeals from A-level candidates. We’ll be in touch once we’ve completed our initial review. Bias and discrimination A student with concerns about bias, discrimination, or any other reason why a school didn’t fairly assign a centre assessment grade or ranking, should usually raise this with their school in the first instance - and follow the school’s normal complaints route. If a student has evidence of serious malpractice and feels they can’t raise this with their school, it might be appropriate for them to go directly to an exam board. If your school receives an allegation of bias or discrimination from a student, which they believe has impacted on the centre assessment grade or rank order your school submitted, we recommend taking the following steps to investigate these concerns thoroughly: •Check the documentation relating to the centre assessment grade process your centre followed and satisfy yourself that a robust process was followed. •Obtain statements from the teacher(s) involved, containing a rationale for the centre assessment grade and rank order which was given to the student. If you do find evidence that shows bias or discrimination has impacted on the grades and rank orders your school submitted to us, please send your concerns to our Exams Integrity team at [email protected]. You don’t need to contact us if you don’t find any evidence of bias or discrimination, though we’d recommend keeping a copy of your findings.

Pearson Edexcel Appeals
Appeal typeOverview
Appeal Service 1
Centre errorThis category of appeal is available for centres where they identify an error in the Centre Assessment Grade (CAG) or Rank Order (RO) data they provided to us (Pearson), for example, where the data they meant to provide was keyed into the CAG system incorrectly for one or more learners.
In these cases, a centre may apply to appeal and will be required to provide supporting information to show how the error occurred. This supporting information is likely to include documents used throughout its decision making process about what CAG/RO to assign to each learner, such as a list of candidates with grades and rank order assigned, evidence of the candidate’s performance in the subject that was considered in the decision making process, etc. The information must clearly show the correct data that the centre intended to submit.
The centre must also explain how an error was not identified prior to the Head of Centre sign-off being submitted, as this confirmed the accuracy of the data provided.
This route of appeal is not intended to offer a route for centres to change the data on the basis that it has now changed its mind about the CAG/RO data. It is suitable only for the correction of errors.
I think my centre was biased / discriminated against me. Can I appeal?
Bias and discrimination cases will not be treated as appeals.
These cases can be taken to centres as complaints and, where there's evidence, brought to the awarding organisation as allegations of malpractice.
Candidates are able to raise a complaint with their centre if they believe their grade has been affected by bias or discrimination.
Centres should consider the information presented and decide consistently and fairly whether it supports the candidate’s complaint.
A candidate who has evidence of bias or discrimination can provide the information to the awarding organisation as alleged malpractice and it will be considered for further investigation.
Our investigations team can be contacted via [email protected]

OCR
Appeals
What can you appeal?
Appeals will be allowed for three main reasons:
•Procedural error – The awarding body has not applied procedures consistently, or procedures have not been followed properly and fairly.
•Wrong data – The awarding body has used the wrong data in calculating results. This includes:
oCentre provided incorrect data (centre error)
3 Select the reason for the appeal
Select the reason for the initial review from the dropdown list:
•Procedural error
•Wrong data – centre error
•Wrong data – OCR introduced error in data set
•Wrong data – incorrect data set or exceptional cases
•Incorrectly communicated result
4 Select the qualification and candidates
Select the qualification details from the dropdowns. If there are no summer 2020 results for your centre for a qualification or unit, it will not appear in the dropdown list. All the candidates with results will appear.
Select the candidates you wish to submit an appeal for. You can select individual candidates or use the ‘select all’ box on each page to select all candidates. If you have any candidates with a place in higher education dependent on the outcome, tick the box and we will do what we can to complete the appeal by the 7 September UCAS deadline.
5 Provide reasons and upload your evidence
Next, provide an explanation of the basis for the appeal. You have a maximum of 2500 characters.
Upload the evidence to support your appeal. You can upload a maximum of three files (files must not be greater than 5MB in size). Note, you can submit your appeal without uploading a file but your appeal will not be accepted if we do not have enough evidence.
Whistleblowing

Cambridge Nationals
Reporting concerns
Sometimes, a member of teaching staff or member of the public has reason to believe that malpractice has or will occur in an examination or assessment. Concerns should normally be raised initially with the examination centre’s senior management. However, if this doesn’t resolve the matter, or they are believed to be involved, it should be reported to the awarding body.
Anonymity
Members of staff who wish to report suspected malpractice at a centre where they work are protected by the Public Interest Disclosure Act (PIDA). More guidance on this is available from the JCQ website. Members of the public are not protected by PIDA, but we will make every effort to protect their identity if that is what they wish, unless we are legally obliged to release it.
What information do we need?
OCR takes all reports of malpractice seriously; however, in order to investigate concerns effectively, we will require information of a reasonably detailed standard. We will accept anonymous reports, although knowing how the information has been obtained and the reporting party’s relationship with the centre may add credibility.
Anyone wishing to report suspected malpractice to OCR should include as much of the following information as possible/is relevant:
•The qualifications and subjects involved
•The centre involved
•The names of staff/candidates involved
•The regulations breached/specific nature of suspected malpractice
•When and where the suspected malpractice occurred
•Whether multiple examination series are affected
•If the issue has been reported to the centre and what the outcome was
•How the issue became apparent.
Documentary evidence can be particularly useful and should be provided where it is available. Reports of suspected malpractice should be sent to [email protected]. Our malpractice team is also happy to provide advice.

Moobie76 · 15/09/2020 18:48

So we’ve received some data at last. Turns out the have given a 25% weighting to year 10 exams.... exams they were told not to revise for- I have a copy of the school bulletin stating this.
Also all grades used for my son except his yr11 mock did not take into account his SEN access arrangements as they wouldn’t give him any.
They have also moved him down when he’s at the bottom of a ranking but not up when he’s the top of a ranking.... that sounds fair.

Any ideas? Bias? Discrimination?

SeasonFinale · 15/09/2020 18:56

Moobie - what do you mean they wouldn't take into account his SEN access arrangements as they wouldn't give him any?

Dilworth1234 · 29/09/2020 17:05

* A Way to Appeal/Complain!*

I just found this buried on the Joint Council for Qualifications website.

It may help a lot of people.

JCQ Guidance on malpractice for awarding in summer 2020
22nd May 2020

The JCQ awarding bodies very much value your cooperation with the centre assessed grade process and appreciate that you will be working hard to make sure this is a success. We are all eager to ensure that we issue results which are a fair and accurate reflection of learners’ abilities. The integrity of the results are particularly dependent on robust procedures within schools and colleges.

There may some instances where a few individuals fail to act appropriately in the conduct of the centre assessed grade process. To support schools and colleges in these challenging times, we wanted to provide some information regarding when we might need to investigate.

Centres/centre staff

The awarding bodies may investigate credible allegations that raise concerns about the failure to follow due procedures in the centre assessed grade process. Examples (for General and Vocational qualifications) include:

• A failure by a centre to appropriately manage Conflicts of Interest (COIs) within a centre.

• A failure to submit Centre Assessment Grades and rank orders which honestly and fairly represent the grades that students would have been most likely to achieve if they had sat their assessments as planned. This might include situations in which centre staff have been unreasonably pressured into making changes to their Centre Assessment Grades and rank order judgements or making such changes themselves without reasonable grounds.

• A failure to accurately report grades of completed units for vocational qualifications.

www.jcq.org.uk/exams-office/malpractice/jcq-guidance-on-malpractice-for-summer-awarding-2020/

Dilworth1234 · 09/11/2020 16:02

Has anyone had any luck at all getting the grades their child deserved? I obtained some emails from my child's school and in summary, at least one grade was lowered at the behest of the headteacher. Have a look.

Hopefully someone has had some luck!

17 May 2020. Quotes from one English school’s internal emails, whilst working on setting CAGs.

Head of Subject, “all grades are based on the students results and what we genuinely felt they could achieve”, “they are a very hard working year group so we felt quite confident that these were the correct results for the students”

School Leadership, “I sent our results to the FFT database”, “As you will see Geography is predicting that on average all students will achieve a whole grade higher than FFT”, “he would like you to review your results again as we all feel the exam board is likely to bring the Geography grades down”, “we do feel that at the moment that these results are out of kilter”

Head of Subject, “a bit disappointed”, “but if we have to move so be it”

School Leadership, “I did say you felt you had the evidence”, “I would start by altering those at the bottom”

Head of Subject, “let me know if we have changed enough or if we need to change more”, “Currently is about 40 students with a reduced grade do you think that’s enough?”

School Leadership, “I’ll need to look but I’m sure if you’ve moved 40 before even looking at the classes then it will be fine.”

Several weeks later, 27 August 2020. Quote from an internal email regarding a parent’s question about an individual student’s CAGs.

Subject Teacher, “I think he was one of those I had to bring down due to overall grades being too high, he is one who would have got higher sadly.”

Yvonne44 · 09/11/2020 19:58

This is shocking! How did you get access to those emails? Unbelievable. Have seen from CAGs (data request) that my chid dropped in a few subjects due to unfairmoderation. One case is currently with exam board. Has anyone had an exam board investigate their case?

Dilworth1234 · 09/11/2020 20:28

Make a Subject Access Request for information in your child’s name (if over 16, they have to request as well) and make a Freedom of Information Request for CAG setting data the school holds. It’s your legal right.

Good luck with your complaint! Let us know if they do the right thing for your child!

Fraser1234 · 05/01/2021 21:52

Found this on Ofqual which I find very interesting:
“Our analyses show that, of the students that have a grade from the summer, just under 50% have improved their A level grade, around 30% have the same grade, and just over 20% received a lower grade. For AS, just under 40% of students have improved their grade, around a quarter have the same grade, and just over a third achieved a lower grade.”
If I read this correctly that means the teachers CAGs were 70% WRONG, for A levels and pretty much the same for AS levels, both giving higher or lower grades!!
I will be very interested to see what the GCSE grades are like when they analyse these.......

jcyclops · 05/01/2021 22:27

@Fraser1234

Found this on Ofqual which I find very interesting: “Our analyses show that, of the students that have a grade from the summer, just under 50% have improved their A level grade, around 30% have the same grade, and just over 20% received a lower grade. For AS, just under 40% of students have improved their grade, around a quarter have the same grade, and just over a third achieved a lower grade.” If I read this correctly that means the teachers CAGs were 70% WRONG, for A levels and pretty much the same for AS levels, both giving higher or lower grades!! I will be very interested to see what the GCSE grades are like when they analyse these.......
This relates to retaken exams in the Autumn for students who were awarded a CAG last summer. It should really be compared to retake results in a "normal" year. On its own it is fairly meaningless.
Dilworth1234 · 06/01/2021 07:29

Thank you Fraser1234 and jcyclops

What Fraser1234 provided is useful. It shows that CAGs were wrong 70% of the time. Yes, the statistical sample is small and that is difficult to provide meaningful analysis but if Ofqual said that those 20,000 students who took the test (they didn't retake it, they took it for the first time) did so because their CAGs were standardised by their school (see my own example below) then it helps to show how wrong the idea of standardising grades based on prior years is.

Just another thought, maybe Ofqual could stop using the phrase "Generosity" when referring to 2020 exams. 1/3rd of students had their teacher grades lowered by standardisation at the school level. (A few more bits on this below too.) Maybe, just maybe, the teacher grades are more reflective of the students' ability than the exams on one particular day. But that would put quite a few exams and data companies out of business.

My child's CAGs were changed by his school leadership because they wanted to fit the curve into 2019 results, even though the teachers objected. This was proven by a FOI and the resulting internal emails. (I look forward to that Ofqual report on Autumn exams.)

Per David Blow, Executive Head of South East Surrey Schools Education Trust and member of the Ofqual External Advisory Group; one-third of CAGs were set with the aim of ensuring that the distribution of grades follows a similar pattern to that in other years and two-thirds were set with the aim of awarding students a grade which fairly reflects the work that they have put in. Had the thirds been the other way around, there would be more coverage and help for those kids. committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/12462/html/

Dilworth1234 · 17/01/2021 12:19

16th January 2021, The Guardian Article, finally coming to light to the country.

'Cruelly cast aside': A-level victims say summer debacle must never happen again

Thousands of 2020 students are still campaigning for justice after losing university offers and apprenticeships when their grades were wrongly reduced

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/16/cruelly-cast-aside-a-level-victims-say-summer-debacle-must-never-happen-again

Yvonne44 · 14/02/2021 19:18

Hi did anyone's chidlren resit their exams after deflated grades in the summer? Just wondered how they got on and hope they got the grades they deserved.