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To ask if £150 disposable income a month means I'm skint

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MissJoeBlogs · 19/08/2020 14:28

After all bills (including food) are paid for, I have £150 left for myself and 2 kids, this generally goes towards clothing, days out, birthday presents, etc. I'm grateful for what I have and I'm happy, but I have been watching repeats of Rich House/Poor House and the poor house had a similar amount of money left to me. Blush Am I skint?

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formerbabe · 19/08/2020 23:31

Good for you op...hope it all goes well for you

CorianderLord · 19/08/2020 23:35

I wouldn't say skint but it's modest. Being grossly honest it's less than I had as an apprentice. But if your bills and food are paid for you're better off than a lot of people. Especially if you have to pay childcare which is £££ and it seems temporary. You sound like you and your kids have a lovely life.

Watch Skint Britain - that's really skint. Stealing to buy food, pawning their furniture for £5.

ILoveFood87 · 19/08/2020 23:39

I have more than that a week. I couldn't live on that.

nanbread · 19/08/2020 23:53

It's not much but probably more doable now than in "normal" life or in winter. We used to spend £20 a week on clubs / swimming for our two, then maybe an indoor activity like soft play, museum trip, cafe trip etc especially in winter. Really easy to spend another £15 doing that and then that's pretty much your weekly money gone. Add in things like buying presents for children's birthdays and paying for school trips etc and I'd be stuffed.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/08/2020 11:27

Wow, it is really interesting to read so many points of view and see what people think is normal. I am shocked that people think trips to soft play and trampoline parks/ cinema/bowling are normal. We never really did this as a child, nor did I take my children as we were just about managing.

Growing up just about managing ( mortgaged house but no disposable income, less technology than peers not many treats) and a period of being very tight as a student/ single adult/ single parent leaves you with that mindset and fear. I have lots of savings now as mum has been paying me some inheritance early, but the fear still lasts. Also with two disabled children and a collection of conditions that make it harder to find work and actually work myself, means that money has to last and supplement carers allowance. And we are approaching the end of child benefit, maintenance and DLA. Savings will have to get me over the end of those, though the children will be more financially independent

It was easier to live at a consistently lower level than to spend when I was in work and cut back when out of work. ( Temporary contracts)

Our situation is really weird. Very low independent income, variable Maintenance but reasonable amount, (covers most bills) lots of bank of mum and dad, still. And the mindset of having been poor at different stages and been brought up by someone who was very poor as a child, such that there is a fear of spending on anything "luxurious" or unnecessary. (Though curiously a weeks holiday in the UK is ok, spending money on treats on holiday is luxury: weird )

It appears that one's attitude to money, idea of normal/ treat upbringing etc means the definition of skint/jam/comfortable/well off varies. There have been many threads about living in London and struggling on X amount and opinions vary so much on what is normal to spend. It is certainly eye opening.

PennyDreadfuI · 20/08/2020 11:43

We have less than that after everything is paid and we aren't able to add to our savings at all (about £1k which we saved when things were a bit better). Only DH is working so we have to stretch his salary very thinly. We have the occasional treat - a visit to the pub/cinema/takeaway now and again and every so often we're able to go on an overnight trip somewhere but we've never been on holiday, can't afford a car and haven't decorated for over a decade. I cut our hair and clothes are from charity shops/supermarket sales.

We're ok, we have a nice enough life and know it could be worse. The inability to save bothers me the most.

CremeEggThief · 20/08/2020 12:10

YANBU, OP.
All the people saying, "Ooh, I couldn't live on that", are obviously fortunate enough to have no experience of the benefits system. Personally, I think everyone should challenge themselves to live on the amount of universal credit a single person is entitled to for at least a month. A hell of a lot more of us are going to be out of a job before long, and it's going to be very difficult for people who have no experience of this way of life to cope with much-reduced circumstances.

Sorberret · 20/08/2020 12:16

It's not a lot no but you can pay the bills, put a roof over your heads and food on the table and that's what matters

Pittapitta · 20/08/2020 13:34

@CremeEggThief that’s an interesting point. I am one of the ones thinking oh no I couldn’t live off that. But why couldn’t I? How much is UC a month? I suppose it’s different for different people.

CremeEggThief · 20/08/2020 14:00

@Pittapitta, it used to be approximately £73 per week, although I believe it's risen to £90 per wwwk or so since the Covid crisis.

Too many people seem to think having to live on a low income or solely on benefits will never happen to them. I am a qualified teacher, but due to various circumstances and issues, have never managed to find a suitable permanent job, so have spent most of my life having to live on a low income and working temporary jobs.It really frustrates me how many people think you have to be really unlucky or unfortunate to end up in reduced circumstances, or that a good education will ensure it won't happen to you.

Pittapitta · 20/08/2020 14:05

@CremeEggThief wow that’s very low. How can people afford rent/food with that!?

CremeEggThief · 20/08/2020 14:13

Because they have to. Most people on Universal Credit will get help towards their rent and counil tax, so the £73/£90 is to cover everything else. After rent, I used to have £750 a month for everything for me, DS (tweens and teens) and 1 cat and I had to pay £100 a month off my credit card and I managed to save £50 or so a month too. When I got work, I used that money for luxuries like a holiday.

Graphista · 20/08/2020 14:27

@cremeeggthief is spot on life can turn on you, it did on me!

Aged 30 I was married to someone in a very secure job (army), working in a well paid job, healthy...

...by 35 I was a single mum, unemployed and disabled.

Huge change in circumstances.

Many threads on here people saying they “couldn’t cope” on annual incomes that are 2/3/4 times the amount people on benefits are living on

Then with covid there were even threads with ops claiming it was “unfair” they were expected to use savings and live within their new means and give up expenditure that definitely fell into “luxury” category!

Some are utterly clueless!

How do we/they cope? As cremeeggthief says

Because they have to.

CremeEggThief · 20/08/2020 17:33

Exactly, @Graphista.

Pittapitta · 20/08/2020 17:47

@CremeEggThief I’m going to try and just spend the £90 a week (after bills etc) next month. I realise I’m in a very fortunate position to even try it without having to.

Barney60 · 20/08/2020 17:48

Gosh to me thats a lot of money left over at end of a month after bills shopping ect all paid. i know a lot of folks that may only have £50 left some less.

QueSera · 20/08/2020 17:50

I would be worried about emergencies (eg appliance/tv breaks and needs replacing, emergency repairs, emergency dental work, injury meaning you couldn't work etc) and just the normal 'extras' that life costs at times (xmas, school trips etc). If you can put money aside to build up buffers for these, that would really be useful.

howrudeforme · 20/08/2020 17:57

It’s not much. Should something break and you need to replace (eg a pc) could you do that?

I feel skint as I have nothing at the end of the month after basics and no savings.

NewPapaGuinea · 20/08/2020 18:08

Is the disposable income after you’ve saved as well? For me disposable income is what you have after paying all the essentials and higher priority expenditure (like saving), so £150pm, whilst not a huge amount is ok if you’re sensible.

plumpynoo · 20/08/2020 18:11

I have less than that as disposable income a month, and I don't class myself as skint. Skint to me means no disposable income at all and struggling to cover all expenses every month.

Sailingblue · 20/08/2020 18:18

I have a huge amount of respect for single parents as the costs of running a household are so high alongside the challenges of childcare.

I personally would really struggle on that disposable income. I probably buy a lot of unnecessary crap to be honest but these sorts of threads always give me a bit of a prod that I’m in a bubble. Many of the things i take for granted (like £40 a month for swimming lessons) would just not be obtainable for the OP.

DoveOfPiss · 20/08/2020 18:47

I'm a lone parent to four, luckily they are older now and don't need childcare but still too young to leave alone overnight, I'm a student doing a full-time health care degree with placements, I'm in private rented accommodation which my housing benefit doesn't cover all of so I make it up from my student loan. With child benefit and tax credits plus housing benefit, after all my bills and food, fuel to travel 30 miles to uni and the same for placements, I have £12.50 a week disposable income. This is not including school uniform, new shoes, birthdays, Christmas, haircuts, my children's friends birthdays, holidays (what's one of them?), car repairs or servicing or replacement technology. My children have been home-schooling since March sharing a Windows 7 PC which keeps crashing and losing their work.
I get no child support from their father.

My uni said I don't qualify for their access to learning hardship fund as I have "too much disposable income". So no I don't think £150 a month is skint by any stretch of the imagination.

MissJoeBlogs · 20/08/2020 18:51

Hi everyone. Thanks for the responses. My daughter does do swimming lessons :) they are £23 a month where I live and this is the one thing I include in my "outgoings" that isn't actually an essential bill. So to those thinking it wouldn't be affordable, it is if you're careful. We do also go to soft play, a couple of times a month maybe (pre Covid, anyway). Softplay is as expensive as you make it. It costs £4 to get my daughter in and an extra £1 for me to sit and watch. My little boy is only 1 so he goes free in our place. We eat before we go and I'll take my coffee in a flask, I don't buy cakes and drinks because I've already eaten at home, so I'm not hungry. This is partly due to wanting to save money but also not wanting to be wasteful, I have food at home, why waste it to go and spend more out? So softplay in total costs me maybe £10 a month out of my £150 disposable income. I should probably add, we do live in beautiful Dorset and I can walk to the beach in 20min. Lots of long days spent on the beach when it's warm and we take our own food. I don't believe my kids will ever get bored of the beach, no matter how old they are! :)

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SurroundedByIdiotsEverywhere · 20/08/2020 19:14

Paying off debts and £150 up, you are not skint. BTW more money might buy you peace of mind (although you end up in the same situation) trust me I know, but it does not buy you happiness. If you are happy and you and your family are all in good health then you should enjoy it!

Graphista · 20/08/2020 19:45

@cremeeggthief - I think a lot of people, especially those under 40 who generally don’t yet have the life experience of long term sickness/disability either in themselves or even their parents as yet, tend to think these things are rather abstract and happen to “other people”

I’ll admit, even as a nurse/ex nurse I was a bit like that myself in my 20’s.

My parents and parents in law, siblings and siblings in law and my ex and I were all in pretty good health at that stage (when I was 29) - and that was even with dad being an alcoholic! He was lucky it hadn’t started to make him ill at that point.

By 10 years later all 4 parents/in laws, my sister, ex’s sister and 1 of his brothers and me ALL had long term debilitating illnesses and/or disabilities.

And to be blunt, being sick is actually more expensive than dying!

It came as a huge shock to my in-laws who are lovely people but very naive and sheltered as until they became sick they’d been pretty well off! So when ex fil had to retire early due to ill health, ex mil was still well at that point but hadn’t worked for over 40 years. She tried to get a job and she wasn’t fussy about what she was applying for but she was genuinely shocked that NOBODY would even give her an interview let alone employ her! Her children and I HAD tried to explain over the years when we’d been job hunting that job hunting had changed MASSIVELY since the 60’s. She had no clue!

They kept how bad things were even from their own kids, it was only when mil fainted from anaemia that it came to light they’d REALLY been struggling and that had included missing meals! Their children were both heartbroken and annoyed they’d not told them! Pride and shame were huge factors.

This was something of a crisis point and they finally admitted they needed help. The “kids” were all more than happy to sub them if necessary but it turned out not to be - it transpired they’d been:

Not claiming benefits they were entitled to - they saw this as akin to begging! A lot of talking was needed to get them to understand this is just how it works now

Paying over the odds for a lot of their bills - their ds2 overhauled this for them and reduced their outgoings by over £1K JUST By doing that they were amazed! They were still with BT For phone, British Gas for energy etc as that’s what they were used to - but they’d been customers since those organisations were state owned! They’d no idea how the private market worked

Still buying their expensive favourite brands of EVERYTHING grocery wise - their daughter was able to explain to and persuade them that supermarket brands were now very palatable. Some brands they did retain as they didn’t like the cheaper versions but mostly they switched at least one brand level down.

Once everything had been sorted out they were much better off and very relieved that they could not only manage on their new budget but even have little luxuries.

Mil became a bargain demon and very adept at finding voucher codes online. Fil being a mechanical sort, researched ways to reduce water and energy use and made adaptations that suited them.

We had similar issues with both my grans and again once they were receiving the income they were entitled to and bills had been reviewed they were doing much better. Though one gran bless her still didn’t trust banks and stored away the “extra” cash in her knitting bag which we discovered after she died! It was ALMOST thrown out! 😱 it only wasn’t as an aunt said to check there weren’t any precious family photos or jewellery in it as we already knew she tended to stow those in odd places! Over £5k in cash!!

@pittapitta er...I think you’re rather missing the point! The £90 isn’t AFTER bills it’s FOR bills it’s not fun money! That’s all someone on Unemployment based UC has to live on!!

@newpapaguinea - savings are a luxury for many too.

@DoveofPiss I’m shocked your uni considers you ineligible for hardship fund. Do they have a single parents grant? Books and equipment grant? There are also charitable grants which are not provided by the uni but generally come from people leaving money in their wills for such things or various charities provide them. It may be worth asking your student support office?

When I was at uni with dd little they were available to me but I’m aware a lot has changed since then (around 15 years ago)