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A’Level disasters 😔😣

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OverTheRainbow88 · 13/08/2020 11:17

Any other schools been majorly hit?

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PurpleDaisies · 13/08/2020 13:33

That’s not exactly a solution now @tttigress.

PatriciaPerch · 13/08/2020 13:34

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Averyslover · 13/08/2020 13:34

I have a devastated boy here. Predictions were BCB mocks were BBC and he’s got DCE. He’s lost his place at uni. He’s looked at clearing but he can’t get in to the course he wants. He has an appointment with the college tomorrow to see what he can do.

There are other completely different courses he can do with his grades but he’s said what’s the point of doing a course he’s not interested in just so he can say he’s been to uni.

SunshineCake · 13/08/2020 13:34

It is wrong to grade students on what the kids the year before did. State school, ranked okay can produce kids coming out with solid A and Bs if the child has ability and puts the effort in just as a child at an expensive school or one ranked outstanding could come out with C and Ds if they don't have the intelligence, work ethic, support at home. It isn't fair to grade kids of 2020 on the basis of what child B did in 2019.

lyralalala · 13/08/2020 13:35

@HipTightOnions

She had exactly those results in her mocks and has never had a C ever (and straight A GCSE's). She's also in a decent school. The school staff are baffled as there's no logic.

Gosh that’s tough. Media are reporting that universities will be flexible but clearly not true everywhere.

You could ask the school where they placed her in the ranking?

She's lucky because she had an unconditional from a second choice, but it's still extremely upsetting for her. It also means she'll not be going to uni in the same city as her sister, which they were both really looking forward too.

The school are already on top of it thankfully

Ariela · 13/08/2020 13:35

Can I just ask why people are calling them 'A level 'RESULTS' . Surely they are 'A Level GIVEN GRADES' , as no exam was sat?

Would this not resolve half the stigma of this poisoned chalice?

Sailingblue · 13/08/2020 13:36

It must have been horrid for those who have lost university places. If I’d been 18 I’d have rather had the chance to have sat the exams even with the potential disruption. The government could have thrown everything at providing good teaching resources for those in year 11 and 13. Even those who have done well won’t have the same sense of achievement as normal. Mine are only small (so v different lockdown issues) but I have every sympathy with parents dealing with this today.

IrmaFayLear · 13/08/2020 13:36

I agree that some blame definitely lies with the over-generous predictions. I know teachers are urged to over-predict in order for kids to be able to take a stab at an aspirational university in the hope they do pull things out of the bag, but this has now backfired and affected schools where the teachers do play it with a straight bat.

Was historic data looked at at individual schools - ie the gap between predictions and achievement in the last few years? Or does this not exist? Individual cases with appropriate evidence could be appealed.

If we are still in this Covid mess next year I think schools should receive a stark warning about over-predicting.

PurpleDaisies · 13/08/2020 13:37

Would this not resolve half the stigma of this poisoned chalice?

I think it would make absolutely no difference to anything.

Hopefully the obvious inconsistencies in the system will be a comfort to some of the students who have clearly been inappropriately downgraded and they will be able to successfully appeal.

WombatChocolate · 13/08/2020 13:37

I was just coming onto say too, that I imagine lots of people referring to 'predicted grades' mean UCAS.

These are known to be extremely optimistic and over 80% of students don't achieve their UCAS predictions in times when exams are sat......people do forget that.

The CAGs (submitted by schools) will be lower than UCAS. Given schools knew their historic grades profile would be used, simply submitting vastly inflated UCAS grades was never going to work, so instead they submitted slightly inflated CAGs which were a bit more realistic but still optimistic. But of course students didn't know those grades and probably still hoped for their UCSS predictions.

Although lots of individuals have been let down by all this, on a macro level, A Level preformance is still up nationally. If all the CAGs teachers put forward had been actually awarded, there would have been grade hyperinflation. If the UCAS grades had been put forward the inflation would have been serious hyperinflation.

I know these things don't help students who are disappointed, but they might explain why what has happened has. The difficulty is that students hang onto their UCAS grades and think they are likely grades, but actually they are grades of severe optimism with a strong following wind....and simply cannot be achieved by all.

With the u-turn about appeals yesterday, more schools are now probably telling students their CAGs. These were always intended to be kept private so teachers could sum it them without parental or student pressure. They were probably never meant to be recealed, but given the appeals system that will emerge, it probably is needed for students to know them. And in itself this has caused difficulties with students and parents being confused to see they are not the same as UCAS grades, and then if they are downgraded as well, they may well be far from what the UCAS prediction was. The fact most would never have achieved their UCAS grade doesn't remove the disappointment.

And still, overall results are higher.

Have we heard of any institutions where the grades given were substantially below the 3 year average for that institution. Again 3 year averages don't really make individuals who feel disappointed feel better, but on a global scale, the grades probably are similar and actually pretty similar to what most students would have achieved in reality in exams....but of course,me hen you've sat the exams, you do t feel so let down because it has been more in your control. It's the lack of any control for months which makes it all so very very upsetting. I can see that.

HillyJilly · 13/08/2020 13:37

I have a devastated young family member. Predicted a 'B' and got an 'E'. Private school, and private home tutor in this subject. Just seems so wrong.

TheRosariojewels · 13/08/2020 13:38

@Jargo Sorry, I didn't mean at an individual level. I meant as a school cohort.

SmileEachDay · 13/08/2020 13:38

It is wrong to grade students on what the kids the year before did

It is, but equally it is unheard of for schools to move more than a few % from their position the year before. If schools were reporting way above their historical pass rate, that should have been standardised on an individual school basis.

bbn81 · 13/08/2020 13:39

@lyralalala I hope it was today they were told as schools and teachers were told not to say anything to students until today. You can only access you CAGs once you have your exam board results.

PurpleDaisies · 13/08/2020 13:39

I know teachers are urged to over-predict in order for kids to be able to take a stab at an aspirational university in the hope they do pull things out of the bag, but this has now backfired and affected schools where the teachers do play it with a straight bat.

For UCAS.

We did not overpredict, we internally moderated and been still been bizarrely downgraded.

What would you had predicted for a student with a GCSE grade 9 and a history of nothing but As in all tests? They were awarded a C today.

JacobReesMogadishu · 13/08/2020 13:40

@dreamingbohemian

I remember ages ago reading that if your child’s grade was improved on appeal another child’s grade would go down to keep it in line with the class ranking.

Yes this is what they're currently reporting will happen. Which would be fucking diabolical!

Let's see if it's confirmed officially.

Blimey, that would be awful?

So a kid could get AAA today and then next week be told actually it’s BAB? What would happen to their uni place if they needed AAA, would it be withdrawn......I know that’s what normally happens on results day if you don’t make the grades but not sure if they withdraw later on?

HipTightOnions · 13/08/2020 13:41

Excellent analysis WombatChocolate

C8H10N4O2 · 13/08/2020 13:42

Teachers’ predictions are, for lots of good reasons, very optimistic. They would have resulted in a massive and unrealistic grade inflation this year.

Not all schools give over optimistic predictions. Our local school's exam administrator is a retired ONS statistician who has bucketloads of detailed stats on predictions, performance, demographics etc going back years. Their policy is to give credible predictions and challenging mocks (my kids all went through that system, they were spot on with every prediction at A level).

Initial advice has been that she can't even submit her evidence of prediction quality as its not a criteria for appeal.

They have had many pupils downgraded which is inconsistent both with individual performance/prediction and the overall school results from previous years. It is however a large school so unlikely to benefit from the model prioritising teacher prediction for small cohorts.

lyralalala · 13/08/2020 13:42

@PatriciaPerch

I think it is more worrying the their current attainment grades seem to have been ignored. Even if you ignore the mocks (which are taken at all different times of the year - so not really a great indicator anyway) and the 'aspirational' predicted grade - the current attainment grades should have been taken into account surely? If a previous posters daughter was getting consistent As how have they ended up with Cs?
This is my annoyance, and actually is what has enraged my girls as well.

DD2 was predicted BBC. Sometimes she got C's, when she worked her arse off she got B's. If she'd got CCC then she'd have been happy. If she got CCD she'd have been pissed off, but it wouldn't have been awful. CCE is unfair. As she said herself, she's chopped and changed redults over the years so it's not totally easy to predict.

DD1, however, is just bloody unfair. The kid is a straight A student (she doesn't get it from me!) and always has been. BBC has no logic or fairness to it whatsoever.

Knowhowufeel2 · 13/08/2020 13:43

My dd was predicted BCC IN Law, History and Psychology for her A-levels, and actually does better in the real exams than in mocks going by her previous performance. Her school's past record isn't great though and she's been given CCD.
She's disappointed, but luckily was given an unconditional offer so it won't stop her going to the uni she wants and doing the course she wants.

However, her best friend who was predicted BBB, has received CDD, and has lost her place at uni, so she's now having to appeal.

lyralalala · 13/08/2020 13:43

[quote bbn81]@lyralalala I hope it was today they were told as schools and teachers were told not to say anything to students until today. You can only access you CAGs once you have your exam board results.[/quote]
Yes this morning.

Tingalingle · 13/08/2020 13:43

If a previous posters daughter was getting consistent As how have they ended up with Cs?

For some subjects, marking is subjective. DD at one point had the same essay (don't ask!) marked by one teacher as a C and another as an A.

PurpleDaisies · 13/08/2020 13:44

For some subjects, marking is subjective.

Not in physics it isn’t.

Tingalingle · 13/08/2020 13:45

Yes, fair enough!

WombatChocolate · 13/08/2020 13:46

Every year students get significantly lower grades than UCAS. Most move on from it quickly as most find a uni course even with lower grades, often being taken by the uni whose offer they missed. This means they quickly move into their next phase.

This year, even top Unis are taking students who missed their offer by 1,2 or 3 grades across 3 subjects. If they had the offer based on rather generous UCAS predictions, having it to start with, means many of them still get to go to those places. The Lakers the ranked uni the more likely it is to take people still, even with huge drops in grades.

Still, today it is very very raw. There have been months of uncertainty and added stress caused by things like the government changing the appeals process to include Mocks, which seems even more unfair and arbitrary. The fact that today, they still do t even know what the appeals process will be or if any mocks they did will qualify is a disgusting situation. Some will find in the next days that by chance their school did mocks which will allow them to appeal and others that their schools didn't.....hardly can be blamed when no-one knew this would be used or was coming...so not a level playing field. It is so so so raw today, and unfortunately the appeals debacle and stringing out of the info about how to appeal will keep it raw for longer, but it will pass and msot will be able to go to uni if they want and move on. But today, I can see why so many are totally shocked....because they really believed they would be given their UCAS grades and didn't understand that those are only rarely achieved, and even school CAGs woukd need to be downgraded as too generous.