To think many of the professions have bullying issues or treat their staff like shit?

[malificent7]

I was a teacher. Left as i felt management never had my back and that when the kids misbehaved it was MY fault. Also incredible workload and large class size.
Now I am retraining for NHS and although not as stressful as teaching, students like me are treated like shit, staff are run off their feet and pay remains just about adequate.
Read "this is going to hurt" by Adam Kaye and very glad that I am not retraining to be a doctor despite the better wages!!
Aibu to think that many important professions have issues with staff treatment and therefore retention? It's scandalous really.

Even when I was at school I could tell the teachers were being treated poorly. No discipline system and no back up from senior staff, just expected to manage behaviour themselves but with no tools to do so and blamed if it was found out how bad some classes were.

Dh and I are both teachers. There are certainly bullies and appalling managers among school senior leaders (as there are in any job), because some people are quite simply arseholes. But tbh I think the poor treatment of teachers is more due to the general state of the education system, the lack of autonomy and respect accorded to teachers, the hoops schools are made to jump through, the basis on which they are judged and the fact that government never listens to the profession.

I've worked in a support staff position in the legal field for 20 years and in a solicitors eyes an MBA is definitely overshadowed by a bachelors in law, if you're not an actual fee earner in some of the bigger firms, you're treated like the downstairs staff in their Manor House, I don't think they realise how much the IT, accounts and reception/general office staff do that keeps the business going. I work for a tiny firm now so feel a lot more valued.

20 more years of being treated like shite...ugggggrrr!

Add to bullying, misogyny, thought crime, ridiculous hours, promotion linked to connections not ability, double think, no consideration of overcharged clients, greed, lack of morals and ethics, sexual harassment -then you have the world of big 4 accountancy

I do nlame the government for the state of public services but the private sector sounds awful too!

Creative industry you are really at the bottom when you start

Lots of big egos

Generally the big name agencies are worse as they know there’s a hundred plus CVs lined up waiting

Blame sorry.

I don't mind starting at the bottom as long as the bottom is an ok place to be .
In my experience it can be a process simialr to gazing where you need to be broken sown to be built back up. Weird.
Students on my course have been told that staff hate working with them...how welcoming!

I did 26 years as a nurse. I left in the end because
A: the system ground me down
B:management were getting more and more domineering,petty and obstructive.

Poor Dh is a Dr and the bastards have destroyed any kind of love that he used to have for his job.

Hazing...sorry for typos

I had worked in a professional office for many years too and when I tried to have a conversation with a boss who was the same age as me, about general life, I was told there was no point having a conversation with her as she was obviously brainer than me and more articulate as had a degree. I think if someone had said it to me now, I would report them to HR but in them days you didn't do things like that. I noticed over the years the higher up
people were, they were always more well mannered to support staff, it was the younger ones that came in with degrees and thought they were better even though half of them could not write a sentence properly. As the previous poster said you akways need support staff.

@Belledan1

I had worked in a professional office for many years too and when I tried to have a conversation with a boss who was the same age as me, about general life, I was told there was no point having a conversation with her as she was obviously brainer than me and more articulate as had a degree. I think if someone had said it to me now, I would report them to HR but in them days you didn't do things like that. I noticed over the years the higher up people were, they were always more well mannered to support staff, it was the younger ones that came in with degrees and thought they were better even though half of them could not write a sentence properly. As the previous poster said you akways need support staff.

I've noticed this too. New grads think they are significantly better than support staff, and often get annoyed if the support staff earn more than their starting salary. Massive levels of arrogance.

@malificent7 I work in the nhs and have students on placement with me. It can be a real privilege to be an educator and watch your student grow in confidence, knowledge and skill. There are those who don't like having students, but that attitude says a lot more about them. There are normally poor performers.

There are aresholes on every profession unfortunately

I have taught in eight different educational institutions and been bullied in four of them. Not continuous, and I fought back every time, but my God it's draining.

Urgh have been a housekeeper with a large holiday chain for a few years and it is diabolical. The management are awful and the divide between the staff on the floor and those in the office is obvious. It's because all jobs are underpaid and impossible, so everyone is over stretched, under paid and the pressure from above each level is too high. People then resort to bullying tactics to get the job done

Ex teacher here. Yes, bullying goes on in schools. Some bullies were fellow teachers whom SMT were too frightened to deal with appropriately. A headteacher I once worked for, bullied everyone. Worked in NHS hospital, naively thinking it would be a caring, supportive environment. Unpleasantness between staff, some really nasty individuals. New staff usually left after a few months, including me!

Remember being a newly qualified solicitor with depression in local government. All the sickness procedures were perfectly followed, manager was horrible about it. I remember him telling me that HR had almost not given me uprating due to sickness and had confirmed with my manager first that it was genuine illness.

The head of department was really nice otoh he didn’t stop my own manager behaving like that.

Have worked in a range of multi agency teams in mixed local authority and NHS settings for 15 years. Bullying absolutely rife within all the professions represented - ie social care, nursing, clinical psychology, educational psychology, OT and youth justice specialists.

Friends have had this in law, medicine and education and although it's not a "profession" in the way it is used here, I have come across it in retail. Store managers writing off their junior managers and bullying staff.

I wonder how as a society we can address workplace bullying? It does seem to be rife 🤔

It depends on your school, and place of employment surely. I’ve worked in two schools.’one like you describe - abysmal leadership, teachers were tested appallingly. But my current school is fantastic. SLT are behind every single staff member.

I can’t speak for the NHS but I hope that it turns around for you OP. It’s not nice to feel under appreciated

I think most employees are seen as expendable and that's not going to change quickly. The best you can hope for is a decent team of colleagues and a manager who doesn't make life harder by micromanaging and interfering.

I think in any profession -the way to the top is often bullying others. I have seen too many managers that couldn't do their jobs but also were not bad enough to sack as promoted out. This often comes in failing departments -suddenly a new broom is appointed and they throw their weight around and bugger about bullying and upsetting everyone and then they are "promoted on" and leave behind a stressed team where half of them are off sick / or have left. I once worked in a really good team. It took the new Head of Department less than a year, every single "good" person had left. Any one that was ok was left and some gaps. His mantra was it is not enough to be good we need to be outstanding and I want outstanding yesterday.