To think new build house buyers can’t then complain about further new build developments.

[ItchyScratch]

I live on a row of houses built in 1920. I bought the house after Persimmon had started building a new 200 home estate in the field opposite so I myself didn’t object, but my neighbours who have lived there many years tried to stop the development as it was originally a large field With animals grazing and lovely views.

That development finished this year and now the field in front of the new estate has been put up for planning permission for another 100 houses.

The new build estate residents are petitioning to stop it as it will ruin their views etc and they ‘wouldn’t have bought if they knew it was going to go ahead’

My views on this is that they shouldn’t have a leg to stand on. If they are willing to buy a New house knowing long standing residents tried to stop it how can they then do the same?

I know this as I joined the new estates Facebook group where they are all kicking off about it. (Yep I’m nosy)

Obvs I can’t say this to them as it will be 300 People against one So I’m saying it here to vent my frustration.

This is a frustrating post because we haven't yet quantified, how "new" is a new build?!

Does something from the 1920s really constitute as a new build - how far back do we go when everything was once new in someone's mind?

Perhaps that's the criteria I guess. People who can remember the original development in their lifetime's memory

Every new build estate that's ever been built and ever will be built has people protesting against it being built. Forever and ever. This I am sure off.

Ok new build as in the newer style of a new build housing estate. Namely Persimmon, Barrett, Taylor Wimpy. They all have the same type layout. Houses cheaply put together with paper thin gaps between them.
I’d say 2010 onwards maybe.

Well not really as they bought their houses before this next phase had been applied for. They were probably expecting (perhaps naively) to keep their open views, which they probably paid a premium for (I expect the houses in the best positions were a little pricier than the same designs in less desirable spots on the estate).

I do know what you mean about new build owners complaining about more new builds, it feels very NIMBY/“I’m alright Jack” though and I’d agree with you if they’d bought their houses with the next phase already in the pipeline. However, I would probably be miffed and want to use my right to object if I were in their position.

YANBU. I find this kind of thing funny. There is no right to a view. If the owners feel like they've been misold they need to instruct a solicitor to deal with the developer not object to planning. The planning department have rules they have to follow, the reasons for not giving planning permission have to be sound. FWIW my parents bought a new build house on an "exclusive" development of 12 homes. Then planning was granted for another 20 (my mum was annoyed about this). Another application for 40 houses was rejected because the access is down narrow lanes and highly dangerous for the quantity of traffic. The thing is that each development is looked at on it's own merits, not as an extension of the previous one.

@JuniperFather, OP isn’t saying 1920’s is ‘new build’. He/she is saying that a modern ‘executive‘ new build estate was built in front of a row of 1920’s houses and now the residents of the new build exec houses are kicking off because they are about to have a taste of their own medicine with a newer estate being plonked in front of them.

I agree. It's a bit like the people who buy houses near schools then complain about there being parents dropping off and collecting children.

I used to live on an estate where there was a road already part-built into the next field so it was obvious that eventually houses would come. Some residents were still surprised and cross about it.

YANBU. I have a friend in a newish house protesting a new development across the road. One of her complaints is that the modern style will make her slightly less modern house look out of date.

Yanbu.
I doubt they will ever see fault in their thinking.

When DW and I were touring new build (those that were accessible, that is) all the agents made a really big point about how the housebuilders would drip the additional houses onto the market over the next 10 years to ensure prices remained high.

(Just in case anyone wonders how the housing "crisis" has been sustained so long ..)

YANBU. If you are buying your house on a new build site which has other fields round it then the chances are they will be built on. Personally I have more of a problem with the people who sell the land to the developers in the first place. A local farmer near my parents was paid several million pounds for some fields which ended up as a housing estate and has caused no end of problems for the capacity in local schools and medical centres not to mention traffic on the roads.

It's a bit like the people who buy houses near schools then complain about there being parents dropping off and collecting children

No it isn't. What we didn't realise when we bought our houses wasn't that parents pick up their children - funnily enough, we are bright enough to work that one out - but hadn't realised how inconsiderate parents are. Parking on pavements, grass verges, blocking driveways and arriving 45 minutes early and sitting with the engine running.

As for the OP's original point - yes of course it's a bit silly but it was ever thus. New houses are built, people move in and then want to draw up the drawbridge. Same with immigration - people move to a country and then want to stop other people doing the same.

As for a housing crisis, we wouldn't have one if we restricted second home ownership and brought all the disused houses back into use.

We have an open view and when we bought our (not new build) house, the solicitor said not to expect the view would remain indefinitely. It was good advice and makes me appreciate it more (still not been built on after 20 years 🤞).

You must live opposite my brother in law! When we visited last month we were highly amused to see he had a protest poster in his front window against more building in the village. I do tend to agree with you, it's pretty hypocritical.

Oh well that’s good to see the huge majority agree with me, judging by the voting results and replies.

The new build estate residents comments on their Facebook group threads are throwing up the following reasons as to why they strongly oppose the new site plans-

• “they better not over look my house”
• “there better not be a house built right next door to mine”
• “if our service charge increases I will kick off”
• “there’s already too many houses in our estate”
• “we like to look out at the grazing cows on a morning and now we will look out at houses”

The bitch in me wanted to reply on these threads but I don’t think that would be a good idea !!

The city we live in has a few derelict areas and streets with abandoned houses so it would be nice to see these restored and sold on rather than more crammed new build estates.

@cologne4711

As for a housing crisis, we wouldn't have one if we restricted second home ownership and brought all the disused houses back into use.

We don't have a housing crisis. "Crisis" yes. But nothing that isn't by design.

Want to solve the housing crisis ? Build some fucking houses. Not tinker around with the fonts of mortgage offers.

When the country had a real housing crisis (late 1920s) it manage to be millions of houses in 3 or 4 years. Millions. Which is why there are so many similar looking suburbs in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Bristol, London and so on.

There's only one reason not to build millions of houses, and that's because it would reduce the value of everyones house (not that anyone cares about that) and most importantly the future profits of the big landholders who have paid far too much to the Tory party to sit back and see their investment slide.

I live on a new build estate and the Facebook group is always whinging about something like this. YANBU though.

I can understand people complaining about service charges and ground rents, @ItchyScratch. I’ve seen lots of stuff on them in the last 12mo or so and tbh, it looks like an absolute scandal. Maintenance companies charging what they want and delivering very little and then increasing their charges by huge amounts. It doesn’t seem to be regulated. Scandalous. It’s a different issue though.

There's a huge new estate near me that is surrounded by fields and same thing is kicking off there. I'm pretty sure that the plans for this next phase were already in place before the current people starting buying houses, so it seems ridiculous they are now complaining about construction noise and lack of privacy.

If you buy on a new estate and have empty fields nearby, the odds are that this land will also be deemed suitable for housing. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

@nevermorelenore

There's a huge new estate near me that is surrounded by fields and same thing is kicking off there. I'm pretty sure that the plans for this next phase were already in place before the current people starting buying houses, so it seems ridiculous they are now complaining about construction noise and lack of privacy.

If you buy on a new estate and have empty fields nearby, the odds are that this land will also be deemed suitable for housing. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

Going back a couple of years when we (well I, DW couldn't access the show home) looked, there were plans of all the purchased lands and the phases of building with the anticipated dates and release dates colour coded.

Admittedly if you aren't paying attention, not listening, and can't be bothered you could have missed it. But I'm not quite sure whose fault that would be.

I’ve listened to someone moaning about this while we walked our dogs in the soon-to-be-built-on field by her home. Her home and the dozens of houses alongside it were also fields until about 18 months earlier.

Homes are going to be built on green belt, that’s life. They’re going to be built on the edge of nicer areas too because that’s where developers get the most profit. It shows a distinct lack of foresight not to realise that the building won’t stop with your house.

I agree. I do notice that sometimes the advertisements for new builds advertise “countryside views” and the view looks like fields ripe for another development.

This happened near to me. Built 50 houses on what was farmer's fields. 2 years later the builder applied to extend the estate by another 200 houses. The clue should have been when the main estate road just ends usually with a fence.

But the comments from the residents are ridiculous, I moved here for a peaceful life and don't want all the site traffic going past my house (your road is off a main road, and a busy one at that, you must be able to hear all the traffic) and we don't need any new houses, oh so it stops with yours does it?

As Kirsty and Phil say, if you don't own the view you can never guarantee it will remain the same.

We live in a new house, it was the only way we could get on the housing ladder with a help to buy scheme.

When we bought the house we were promised - a new school, a community centre, a pub, a space for a local cafe, a doctors surgery.

What we have five years on is none of those things. The school plans have been dropped, the roads aren’t finished and there is no community hub and all the rest of it.

I HATE living here, but what you are sold ‘uninterrupted views, limited housing’ and all the rest of it, sometimes isn’t what you get.