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Pub noise and village nuisances

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lotusbell · 08/08/2020 11:21

I posted this in Crime hoping to get some official or legal advice on whether this is an anti social issue but thought I'd post here too.
I live on a relatively busy road through the centre of a large village. Crossroads type set up and I'm near the junction. I live in a row of terraces and there is a pub opposite.
It has always been noisy - I lived on the pub side years ago and it was nowhere near as noisy as it is now. Landlord took over and made it into a live music venue. Pub has no outdoor area but opens onto the pavement outside which is raised from the road and has picnic benches outside.
Since pubs have reopened it is doing booming business which is fair enough. However, the noise levels are ridiculous, obviously exaccerbated by the nice weather.
Clientele is very rowdy and in the past I've often leant out of the window and shouted at people to shut up. Since pubs reopened, there have been large groups of youths drinking, shouting etc and at the moment, it's not always restricted to the weekend.
At midnight, landlord let's the last few inside and shuts the front door so it quietens a bit but often pumping music inside. Closes at 1am.
My son and stepdaughter (when visiting) sleep in the front, our room is in the back but we still need to keep the window shut as the sound really carries. I often sleep in the front as OH is a heavy snorer so know exactly how loud it is.

In addition to this, this road has seen an increase in traffic with mopeds, scooters, bikes with loud exhausts and cars driving by and beeping horns loudly, especially at the people outside the pub - this can be eay morning midday and in the night.
My next door neighbour rang the landlord last week ask him to do something about the noise which he said he would. He makes no effort to ask his customers to be respectful of the fact it is a residential area - houses at the back, side and opposite.
I rang him last night just after 11 and asked him to tell them to quieten down which he did but they paid little attention. Said youths then proceeded to hang around on the street til gone 1am, not drinking but arguing, fighting and generally being noisy.
I.am dreading tonight as it will probably be the same. Saw neighbour this morning and told her. They sleep at the back but are forced up to bed quite early to avoid the noise at the front and she is just as fed up as I am and is going to ring again.
What can we do about this? Someone in my local Facegroup page has encouraged people to report as antisocial behaviour but this is more for the speeding and loud cars and bikes which the whole village is suffering from.
I think landlord needs to be more proactive about what is going on outside his pub - he comes out to collect empties but is otherwise inside and obviously oblivious to the noise outside unless pointed out to him. Am tempted to just ring the pub every time until he gets fed up of me. Is it not part of your licensing terms to be aware of and be able to manage what goes on with your customers inside and outside the pub? Should there be no noise after 11pm, or is it later at the weekend?

I'm really tired today, please just useful advice, I don't need any "you chose to live opposite a pub' type comments.

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lotusbell · 10/08/2020 18:55

@purpleboy, just shows what a difference it can make with correct management!

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lotusbell · 10/08/2020 18:57

@Crimblecrumble1990, don't think they are except maybe having people outside beyond the time they should but I am not sure and not sure whether rules are slight different at the moment due to social distancing, although they don't seem.to ve adhering to that either!

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museumum · 10/08/2020 19:01

I doubt they’d be allowed outside tables past 9 or 10pm round here. Contact your local council licensing dept.

lotusbell · 10/08/2020 19:06

That's what I can't find out about, @museumum!

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museumum · 10/08/2020 19:11

@lotusbell

That's what I can't find out about, *@museumum*!
Sorry nobody will be able to help if they don’t know your area. This is mine www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/24379/alcohol-licensing-policy-november-2018#page43
2bazookas · 10/08/2020 19:23

Make a formal complain to the Alcohol Licensing Board at your local council. You should include a a record of times, the type of nuisance, how it affects people inside your home, and other local residents, and the dates when you complained to the pub landlord with no effect.

      He's almost certainly operating outside his Licence conditions and they will take action.
lotusbell · 10/08/2020 20:01

@museumum, I've found that on my local council site but it doesn't give much info.on the actual licence held other than trading hours and what time they can serve til etc. Nothing about people drinking outside.
@2bazookas, past 2 night have been reasonable, still waiting to catch my neighbour to see if she managed to speak to the landlord again (she rang him last week to discuss her concerns, was going to ring again Saturday after I told her how bad Friday night was) to determine whether that's why, or whether it was down to him taking on board what I rang about on Friday night! It's quieter this evening with it being a Monday.

Obviously would much prefer it if we could talk to him about it rather than go down the route of making formal complaints to relevant people, if you see what I mean!

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lotusbell · 10/08/2020 20:04

Sorry @museumum, I meant I found the details of the pub and its license, will see if I can find our version of what you attached, thank you!
Number 13 is the bitbim.trying to find out about I think.

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lotusbell · 10/08/2020 20:22

Have found this but it doesn't mention timings, uile the one you attached, @museumum.
Have also.looked at the Pavement Cafe Layout guidance and that doesn't tell me much more other than the seating should not be outside if it is outside operational.hours and the seats should be portable. These are big picnic benches and are permanently there!

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