Does anyone elses kids still catch the sun despite suncream?

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I have a ds eldest who is redhead, who regardless of suncream still gets like pink around the side of temples and cheeks its not just one crappy brand as weve used different ones from Malibu, Soltan, Boots etc, always factor 50.

My youngest who has a very neutral skintone is always fine with the applications of suncream has only ever 'gone pink' around top arms and a bit onthe nose abroad. just a bit frustrating, i dont like the idea of people possibly thinking ive just not bothered putting suncream on. .

One of mine burns far more easily than the others. Just have to apply more regularly for that child, and think clothing. Hat with wide brim, UV top at the beach etc.

YANBU. Despite slathering DS in cream, he’s got a proper t-shirt tan this summer. Like you, I don’t really want anyone MIL to think that we don’t bother.

Probably worth remembering that SPF is only a 'factor' not an absolute.

So factor 50 will only ever buy you '50 x the length of time the person can stay in the sun without burning'

If your DC is a redhead (with pale freckly skin?) then they would probably burn in less than a minute on a very hot sunny day.

Even with SPF 50, they would only safely be able to stay in the sun for about 45-50 minutes.

I think a lot of people think of it as 'sunblock' offering indefinite protection which it isn't.

I don’t know if this is actually true, but my boyfriend is white and uses ultra sun, it has a little slip inside that shows how long different skin typed can be in the sun with sun protection before they burn. So it suggests that even with suncream some people can only spend x amount of time in the sun.

I found this on their website

As pp said, suncream doesn't mean you can just sit out in the sun all day.

unless you use sun block you are going to tan a bit even with factor 50 - best covering completely up if you dont want any colour

That's me! In 10minutes in direct sun without suncream and I'm like a lobster. If I put factor 50 on I can maybe last an hour, absolute max. And I'll still have caught the sun on my shoulders and neck.

I have to cover up and find the shade if we're going to the park or for a day out.

DH is Australian so we’ve always followed those sun safe rules regardless of where in the world we are.

Suncream on 20-30 mins before going outside, reapplied multiple times a day, wear a hat and shade only between 11-3.

Never got burnt or gone red, despite us being fair.

My eldest is 14 and goes dark brown at the merest hint of the sun even when slathered in factor 50, he always has.

YABU because you seem to care more about what people think than the fact that your child is getting sunburnt?!

Suncream is not sufficient by itself, you have to wear a wide-brimmed hat, keep out of the sun during the hottest hours (11am-3pm I think?) and even outside those times, try and stay in the shade rather than spending too much time in direct sunlight.

It's not just about protecting from sunburn but also sunstroke and heat exhaustion.

What a stupid response @AnotherEmma, if i wasn't concerned or bothered i wondered have posted here. For what its worth weve had regular suncream, a rash vest, a padding pool with a gazebo over it, so no, not exactly running around shirtless in the blazing sun, its those kind of responses that make people scared to ask in this situation.

Thanks that might be useful @SimonJT

@UserFriendly14 its so frustrating isnt it!!!

Who can seriously sit in the direct sun for more than 10-15 minutes anyway?

I have a child that could burn easily, of course use suncream but the only thing to do is keep them out of sun totally (preferably indoors) during 11-3:30/4pm

Do you keep your child fully out of the sun during these hours and still apply cream for times before /after this and he still burns? If so I've never heard of that it's first on me. Keep them out of the sun between 11 and 4pm best way to avoid sunburn, better than any cream

To be fair on @AnotherEmma, you did say:
just a bit frustrating, i dont like the idea of people possibly thinking ive just not bothered putting suncream on

My first thought was also, why are you even thinking of what others think?

ANyway, as others have said, SPF only increases the time you can spend in the sun. Reapplying does not start the clock again and bear in mind that the vast majority of people put nowhere near the amount needed to get the SPF listed on the bottle. (it is close to impossible - in the lab, they layer it on,not spread it out).

So even with factor 50, you are possibly getting about SPF30 and if pale, that may mean you get an hour and a half TOTAL sun for the day. He needs total block clothing.

I advice against sunscreen as it contains toxic chemicals absorbed by skin and stops vitamin D absorption. It is common misperception that sun is damaging when in fact sun is essential for our health (hormone regulation, circadian rhythm etc) and avoiding sun causes many health problems (especially if you're constantly exposed to blue light ie screens etc). Like most things, it comes down to how/when you do it, current state/genetics and geographical location. To clarify, I am not recommending you go lay in sun at midday to burn for hours like people do on holiday. However, if you start gradually by going in sunrise and sunset (2 of most important spectrums of light) you build up a solar callus which protects from burning. We absorb light through eyes and skin so less clothing the better (and no sunglasses!) hence why also good to go early so you can build up at pace appropriate for your skin type. I have recommended several friends and clients to get sun to help with sleeping problems, chronic fatigue, digestive issues etc and the amount of white (fair and very fair) people who used to burn/avoid sun all their life that now get a nice golden tan and can stand the sun for hours is amazing. The darker skin a person has the more sun you need daily. To learn more look up Jack Kruse.

I've attached a synopsis to better understand what wavelengths we need when and how they benefit our health.

1st☀️= Sunrise + 1.5hr after. Humans are designed to release hormones. Hormones are released when your body senses VIS+IR. Hormones that help with normal bodily functions like digestion. You are also pre-conditioning your skin for UV wavelengths that appear later in the day.

2nd ☀️= UVA+Vis+IR. When UVA appears this sends a signal for your body to stop releasing hormones. Sun during this time is very beneficial for our cells. If you're sick this is your healing time.

3rd ☀️= UVA+UVB+Vis+IR is when vitamin D3 formation is maximized. Remember sunscreen with a SPF >8 inhibits 95% of d3 formation. AM Sun gives your body an SPF-15 naturally when you have been faithful to building your solar callus and the best part, it blocks 0% of d3 formation. The info graphic will very with time of year and latitude location.

The human body is a fully stocked pharmacy with the world’s smartest doctors when we get out and reconnect with natural ☀️ light.

I posted a pictured but cant see it - do you?

You may think my response was "stupid" but I think it was an understandable interpretation of this comment:
"just a bit frustrating, i dont like the idea of people possibly thinking ive just not bothered putting suncream on."

Personally I think it's "stupid" to worry about what people think instead of coming to the sensible conclusion that if your DD is getting burned cheeks despite having factor 50 sun cream on, she needs a wider-brimmed hat and/or needs to be indoors or in complete shade during the middle of the day.

It's not rocket science.

DD's nursery insist on "once a day" suncream even though I don't think it's really good enough. They have a lot of shade in their garden though and when it's particularly hot they go outside in the morning and then stay in with the aircon in the afternoon. Even so DD often has pink cheeks at the end of the day. To be fair she often does when she's with us and me and DH both hate the sun and heat so we're rarely out at it's peak and predominantly in the shade. I do think some of it is skin tone and she goes a bit pink from excitement/exertion.

Try P20

@Zuzu5

I advice against sunscreen as it contains toxic chemicals absorbed by skin and stops vitamin D absorption. It is common misperception that sun is damaging when in fact sun is essential for our health (hormone regulation, circadian rhythm etc) and avoiding sun causes many health problems (especially if you're constantly exposed to blue light ie screens etc). Like most things, it comes down to how/when you do it, current state/genetics and geographical location. To clarify, I am not recommending you go lay in sun at midday to burn for hours like people do on holiday. However, if you start gradually by going in sunrise and sunset (2 of most important spectrums of light) you build up a solar callus which protects from burning. We absorb light through eyes and skin so less clothing the better (and no sunglasses!) hence why also good to go early so you can build up at pace appropriate for your skin type. I have recommended several friends and clients to get sun to help with sleeping problems, chronic fatigue, digestive issues etc and the amount of white (fair and very fair) people who used to burn/avoid sun all their life that now get a nice golden tan and can stand the sun for hours is amazing. The darker skin a person has the more sun you need daily. To learn more look up Jack Kruse.

I've attached a synopsis to better understand what wavelengths we need when and how they benefit our health.

1st☀️= Sunrise + 1.5hr after. Humans are designed to release hormones. Hormones are released when your body senses VIS+IR. Hormones that help with normal bodily functions like digestion. You are also pre-conditioning your skin for UV wavelengths that appear later in the day.

2nd ☀️= UVA+Vis+IR. When UVA appears this sends a signal for your body to stop releasing hormones. Sun during this time is very beneficial for our cells. If you're sick this is your healing time.

3rd ☀️= UVA+UVB+Vis+IR is when vitamin D3 formation is maximized. Remember sunscreen with a SPF >8 inhibits 95% of d3 formation. AM Sun gives your body an SPF-15 naturally when you have been faithful to building your solar callus and the best part, it blocks 0% of d3 formation. The info graphic will very with time of year and latitude location.

The human body is a fully stocked pharmacy with the world’s smartest doctors when we get out and reconnect with natural ☀️ light.

What a very, very, very dangerous post

One thing I didn't bank on one year was ds being in water. He had the rash vest, factor 50 (and doesn't burn easily) and wide hat.

Except I forgot to account for the sun reflecting off the water and therefore he was more exposed than I thought.

Just popping in to remind everyone that we can't verify the credentials of any posters and therefore would always seek real life advice where possible.

I am very pale skinned and the best sun cream I have found for me and the kids is ultrasun. Its once a day application. I always need a hat on and my shoulders covered though

yup @itsgettingweird i have experinced wicked sunburn in swimming pools, its just frustrating, rash vest on, gazebo over pool, suncrean and yet still.... 😑, the judgmental posts are always designed to be GF, i think it was h
fairly obvious what i meant. and the obvious point i made earlier, if i didn't care to change anything i wouldn't be asking.

Mine always bronze regardless of lotion

My husband is a ginge and no matter what will always get a little red and crispy around the edges. When we went to Australia last winter he had to be doused in factor 70