To not have a clue what a healthy diet is anymore?

[Insearchoffitness]

I grew up to believe that a healthy diet was essentially some type of low sugar cereal/porridge or eggs for breakfast, a sandwich on brown bread or a salad for lunch with some fruit and a homemade dinner with non processed meat/fish carbs and veg.

I also believed that a bit of freezer food, chocolate or a takeaway wasn't the work of the devil and was fine for a lazy weekend dinner once a week. Pretty much have your 5 a day at least and everything in moderation.

When I read on here I feel I'm in a parallel universe. Someone was criticising weetabix with banana as being too high in sugar, there's low carbs, ketosis, zero sugar, people claiming fruit has too much sugar. Someone on tv the other day was slagging off butter saying they'd never eat butter.

We shouldn’t get too caught up in calories in calories out. They matter. But they aren’t the only puzzle piece. 100 cals from broccoli are going to have a completely different effect on your body than 100 cals from sugar. I knew from my twenties that sugar made me tired. I eat the sugar my insulin spikes, then it crashes and I’m tired and hungry. We kind of all know that. If you graze over the day your insulin peaks and throughs constantly. So no snacking and low carb makes sense.

I fast for 18 hours each day as I want to tap into my fat stores. It also gives me a huge amount of energy and my mood stabilises. I sleep better now. I don’t get feelings of anxiety. All of those things are far more life enriching than bread.

@BIWI

The way people lose fat is is by burning fat. When you cut the carbs in your diet, you switch your body from burning carbs to burning fat.

This is low carb 101.

Well yes - it burns dietary fat. If you are not eating carbs, it can’t burn carbs. Dietary fat is not stored body fat. Your body will burn body fat if you’re in a calorie deficit, that’s it. Keto does not have magical properties. It works for some as it increases satiety and decreases appetite and therefore calories in. For some.

paleoleap.com/4-strategies-for-maintaining-your-goal-weight-on-keto/

A lot of people of here think they know everything and yet know nothing. Just do you and don't worry about anyone else

[quote DianaT1969]@Fronttobacktree - You work in nutrition? Gosh that's worrying.
You said the only reason low carb works is because of calorie deficit. Not true. I lost 12lb on Biwi's bootcamp (I was 11st.9lb and 5ft 4) and I have never eaten as many calories. Full fat yoghurt, double cream, oily fish, avocado, coconut oil, grass fed butter, cheese (lots of veg too). That was my daily food, 3 meals a day. Does that sound low calorie to you??
The second thing you said is that yes, someone could turn T2 diabetes around with low carb eating, but so could they with a million other diets. Hmmm, so they could turn T2 around on a pineapple and smoothie diet? Or on a low calorie mid to high carb diet ? I don't think so. [/quote]
You only lose weight in a calorie deficit. Actually quite hard to get 2000 calories a day when you cut out an entire food group, unless you were drinking pints of cream, which I doubt. Veg have very little calories but great for volume and fibre which make you feel full.

Type 2 diabetes is reversed by losing weight. You lose weight by entering a calorie deficit. That’s it.

We don’t even slightly understand how it all works which is why we have an obesity epidemic. Even the doctors don’t have enough data to determine what definitely works for weight loss. So for you to give the mantra ‘ you lose weight by entering s calorie deficit. That’s it’. Is extremely arrogant.

A lot of the information regarding reversing diabetes is related to studies done on people who had undergone bariatric surgery. Following the initial post operative period where calorie intake is massively restricted, calorie intake is limited to between 900-1200 calories a day.
Now I suppose those people could choose to drink a bottle of white wine and a couple of slivers of cake to hit their calorie goal, but they would soon become quite unwell as the nutritional benefit of those choices is zero.

The way I look at it is this , eat as many vegtables of as many varieties as you can, eat protein that hasn't been processed, eat some carbs but choose the ones that are nutritious and probably best not to double deep fat fry them like I tend to, eat some fruit, and drink a lot of water. Fats are not bad, you need them in your diet, but choose them wisely and don't go mad.

If I followed the above advice I wouldn't be obese

@FrontToBackTree

I have a BMI of 22 (have had my whole adult life) and I eat: carbs, sugar, full fat everything.

I just don't eat too much of it.

That's really all there is to it to be honest.

Exactly.

Seed oils are bad fats. Don’t eat them.

Before anyone shouts at me about the 900-1200 calorie a day restriction thing, these are people with huge BMI's, their bodies are utilising the stores they have built up over years and years, so they naturally need fewer calories to function because there are calories lying around unused in their bodies. Hope that makes sense ?

@justanotherneighinparadise what do you mean by seed oils ?

@frumpety

Before anyone shouts at me about the 900-1200 calorie a day restriction thing, these are people with huge BMI's, their bodies are utilising the stores they have built up over years and years, so they naturally need fewer calories to function because there are calories lying around unused in their bodies. Hope that makes sense ?

Quite. I am on 1400 hiuuuuuuiiiiuuuuge BMI going down. I always assumed taht when people say 1200 cal (shouldn't go below afaik) they need to lose weight so are making themselves in deficit. I don't think normal healthy person could maintain on 1200

Seed oils are bad fats. Don’t eat them.

Ehhhhhh?

Trans fats are bad fats. Too much animal fat can be bad. Too much of anything is bad.

But pumpkin seed oil, hemp seed oil, rapeseed oil? Sorry no, not unless you are drinking the stuff!

www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetable-oils

Ok so that link you have provided, first and foremost, some of the oils are vegetable oils not seed oils.

Secondly, the point he makes about the molecular structure being damaged upon heating, i thought that was pretty common knowledge? You use the right oil at the right temperature. Pumpkin seed oil on salad- yes. Frying needs a more stable oil.

I dont think you have even read the article you linked yourself...

@SchrodingersImmigrant, if you reduce the amount of calories you are putting in when you are already obese like I am, then your body will turn to the reserves it has rather cleverly built up when you put too much in.

People who have not built up these reserves cannot understand how you can function on fewer 'eaten' calories, because they forget that we already have calories at our disposal.
If you are a normal weight as in not at all overweight, then you need to eat the vast majority of your calories to function, usually because you are using them up on a daily basis.
If you eat more than you need, your very clever body will pop it somewhere safe for later, except it isn't safe as it has a detrimental effect on all the other body systems.

[quote frumpety]@SchrodingersImmigrant, if you reduce the amount of calories you are putting in when you are already obese like I am, then your body will turn to the reserves it has rather cleverly built up when you put too much in.

People who have not built up these reserves cannot understand how you can function on fewer 'eaten' calories, because they forget that we already have calories at our disposal.
If you are a normal weight as in not at all overweight, then you need to eat the vast majority of your calories to function, usually because you are using them up on a daily basis.
If you eat more than you need, your very clever body will pop it somewhere safe for later, except it isn't safe as it has a detrimental effect on all the other body systems.[/quote]
Yeah. That was my thinking.

[quote justanotherneighinparadise]www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetable-oils[/quote]
That literally says vegetable oils AND concludes that

At this point there’s still quite a bit we don’t know about vegetable oils. Consuming small amounts of vegetable oils might make sense for some of us, depending on lifestyle, food preferences, and other factors.

However, if your goals include eating less processed food — as ours do — the best course may be to avoid these newcomers and return to traditional dietary fat sources. Get your fats from whole foods, including avocados, oily fish, nuts, seeds, olive oil, traditional oils, butter, coconut oil and meats

@justanotherneighinparadise

You also linked to a charlatan calling themself The Diet Doctor whose aim is to sell you a potentially harmful keto diet. Read the list of side effects on his own front page and he even says it's likely you will suffer an 'induction flu'. Surely a healthy diet regimen makes you feel better not worse?

He has cherry picked a load of supporting studies and you could literally argue anything you wanted off biased studies.

Numerous reputable sources debunking Diet Doctor and people of similar ilk.

Try harder next time

Diet doctor is an excellent site as it gives very measured information. Our diet used to have a good ratio of 1:1 omega 3 to omega 6. Now due to the huge amount of industrial oilseed consumed in processed foods we eat predominantly omega 6. Omega 6 drives inflammation which in turn causes all sorts of health complications.

@justanotherneighinparadise

You haven't got a clue what you are talking about you're just parroting stuff off the site.

Huge amounts of processed foods are bad full stop, for many reasons.

With the greatest of respect please do a bit more research and engage your brain in critical thinking.

www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/no-need-to-avoid-healthy-omega-6-fats

I was in ketosis during pregnancy due to morning sickness. I can’t believe anyone would deliberately do that to themselves.

Lots of people have read a book by a corporate lawyer and think they are now nutrition experts.

Personally I find it very hard to believe indeed that the majority of people who are morbidly obese have got that way by religiously following the 1990s food pyramid and exercise guidelines.

Theres a certain ratio of fat, salt & sugar which when consumed lights up the same areas in the brain as crack cocaine.

The moreishness, addictiveness, prevalence, constant advertising and general disinformation re 'junk food', coupled with stress & other factors can make it a very quick slope towards obesity especially if someone is genetically predisposed.

[quote Wavescrashingonthebeach]@justanotherneighinparadise

You haven't got a clue what you are talking about you're just parroting stuff off the site.

Huge amounts of processed foods are bad full stop, for many reasons.

With the greatest of respect please do a bit more research and engage your brain in critical thinking.[/quote]
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