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Government tackling obesity missing a key element

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HeeeeyDuggee · 27/07/2020 09:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53546151

Government have announced measures to tackle obesity

AIBU to think that although it’s all well and good banning buy 1 get 1 free and advertising before 21:00 what they really need to do is make fresh fruit and vegetables and good quality meat cheaper for people to buy.

It may be a regional thing but buying enough veg for the week here costs a fortune and it goes off within days. Where as you can buy a massive packet nuggets and chips for much less.

Pre covid it was bad enough for lots of families but given the ramifications on jobs and the economy I think lots more families will struggle to afford decent healthy food.

Ps not a fat persons bashing thread I myself am over weight

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Oliversmumsarmy · 31/07/2020 10:01

So it doesn't explain why, as a nation, more than two thirds of us are overweight

I became overweight due to 7 years of shuffling about due to an undiagnosed slipped disc. By the time it was diagnosed I had arthritis in my knees and hips so in a way I am still shuffling about.
I also have post menopausal insomnia and it doesn’t matter what I eat my weight tracks exactly how much sleep I have.

I don’t need scales. I had 4 hours sleep last night so I put 1lb on despite having 2 coffees, a veggie burger and some salad and going to bed hungry.
I can eat till the cows come home but if I have 8+hours sleep I can lose 4 lbs from one day to the next.

I think calories in v calories out is fine for some people but I think for some people their bodies don’t work like that otherwise why do menopausal women have more difficulty in losing weight.
We can’t all be shit at sticking to a diet.

Or is our lack of certain hormones somehow contributing to our bodies refusal to dump the weight

DillonPanthersTexas · 31/07/2020 10:09

You are missing the point and kind of making mine. The vast majority of 'poor' households will have access to some form of cooking tool to which they can prepare said budget meals on. The tips and advice on this thread will overwhelmingly benefit them. There will always be extremes of poverty when literally a household is unable to do anything. That is destituon, not being poor. The nay sayers will always focus on the later group despite the advice being sound in most cases.

Kpo58 · 31/07/2020 12:02

@slipperywhensparticus

I'm fatter IN WORK than out of work and on benefits

Go figure

I'm assuming that's because you are now time poor. If it's a choice between cooking an amazingly healthy dinner from scratch or shoving something in the oven and helping the kids with the homework, well you are likely to do the latter
Porcupineinwaiting · 31/07/2020 12:50

It's a complex issue with no one solution but the starting step for many of us is looking at how much and what we eat. If everyone who could (ie most of us) did that, you could start to pick off and tackle the other issues in a more specific way.

@Oliversmumsarmy totally with you on the menopausal sleep/weight effect sadly. Sad

angstridden2 · 31/07/2020 13:41

I think many people with no health or disability issues causing weight gain nowadays feel they have almost a ‘right’ to eat everything they fancy...I know I could eat cake and chocolate all day.however I know that if I do I will put on more weight than I should and as a middle aged woman it will be hard to shift it! So I don’t.

forgetthehousework · 31/07/2020 19:22

Even the way being overweight is refered to as the 'obesity epidemic' gives people an out from responsibility - as if it's something you can catch which isn't really in your control.

Miljea · 01/08/2020 00:23

@Jane2406

Giving people the skills to cook cheaply & healthily seems a bit of a no brainer as the way to promote healthier living but sadly seems not to be a priority. Investing in teaching these skills, as well as introducing a love of exercise, in our schools may be a longer term project but is certainly worthwhile.

Jane, could I introduce or give you the love of, say brass band music?

It's a good comparison. You don't 'give people skills' (without ££ and inspirational teachers and a societal value attached) or 'introduce the love' of anything.

You may 'expose' someone to something, but it's a value judgement to assume you're imbuing 'a love'. Just because you do.

Miljea · 01/08/2020 00:26

@Baaaahhhhh

It really doesn't take much time, effort or money to make a basic salad though. We often just have a plate of leaves with a fried egg on top and bread on the side. Not some peoples idea of a meal, granted, but it is quick, easy, and healthy.
Ew.
ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 01/08/2020 00:36

Is the key point simply some people (I mean this politely) do not have adequate basic healthy life skills? Actual lack of knowledge rather than motivation etc.

Are some posters actually suggesting cooking and feeding oneself (normal food not ultra processed crap) with appropriate energy expenditure ie exercise to survive properly and retain the ideal medically appropriate size is a challenge?

Not referring to minority special exceptions but just general UK population at large becoming obese by "stealth."

I am assuming the average Brit has access to mobile online media etc and have spotted a few cooking and fitness related websites and videos etc which is pretty difficult to avoid usually.

Shmurf · 01/08/2020 02:29

I don't believe the issue is cost for the majority of fat people. It's that cooking seems like a chore if you're not good at it and takes more planning than whopping a pizza in the oven or baking some nuggets and chips. A good proportion of the fat people I know spend loads on snacks out the vending machine, expensive subway foot long baguettes, all you can eat cooked breakfasts etc.

Bluemoooon · 01/08/2020 10:03

Instead of concentrating on food perhaps we could publish figures for how long we spend sitting down through the day (that includes lying on the sofa Grin).
I probably spend a good few hours sitting on the computer or watching tv. Maybe roughly 8 a day.But I only spend about 7 hours a night in bed. So 15 sedentary hours in total.
I'm retired but garden and go walks apart from housework. Unfortunately my hobby is done sitting down. Oh and I've just driven to tesco so that's another 40 mins. It does mount up.
So another thing could be a recommended max length of time sedentary.

Leflic · 01/08/2020 11:24

@angstridden2

I think many people with no health or disability issues causing weight gain nowadays feel they have almost a ‘right’ to eat everything they fancy...I know I could eat cake and chocolate all day.however I know that if I do I will put on more weight than I should and as a middle aged woman it will be hard to shift it! So I don’t.
I agree. It’s eating what you want that’s a problem.

Do people remember Supersize vs Superskinny on TV?
It was always the thin people that couldn’t cook and existed on convenience food. They just didn’t eat very much of it or very often. Mostly they admitted weren’t interested in food or eating.

Madein1995 · 01/08/2020 11:30

Being time poor is a massive issue for me. Before lockdown i routinely was in work from 10am to 10pm, running grpups and attending meetings with offenders, social services etc. If i was hungry hut i had feedbacks to do - well the hunger will wait. A complete lack of any routine around food and also time and availability. If im getting home at 1040 and up again for 7 im not wanting to cook, im wanting to grab something wuick. My diet was basically takeaway and costa coffee

Lockdown gave me more time at home to spend cooking. My cooking and my eating and sleeping has improved. I can eat when im hungry, and im no longer knackered going to bed and knackered getting up! I wake up feeling refreshed which tbh motivates me to have a breakfast at home rather than grab something on the way and lie in bed 10more mins. I was always rushing before as even on my early finishes i was rushing to NA meetings. Having the time to reflect has allowed me to make changes, the main of which is something has to go and thats na meetings being reduced. No more rushing to walsall and not getting home until 11pm. Ill do one or two a week and prioritize self care.

At the moment that means being strict with a bedtime routine. It means planning ahead, and it means if i fsncy a pizza ill plam to have one on a weekend. It means not denyong muself. In a months time ill be back doing evenings again. Im preparing by cooking an extra portion eg chilli and freezing it so ill have quick meals to take into work. I do my shopping on a friday after work, and i meal plan and budget. Tnis has the pleasant side effect of more money for colouring or other luxuries!

I do think now costa etc is open the government is being a bit contradictory. I had a mint cooler the other day, bit that was for my lunch and i had no other sweet stuff. Its all about balance but i do fear that if people resume to their prelockdown routines itll go to pot again

Lets be honest, if you pick up your toddler from nuesery at 6 and have tp fit in tea, supervising homework, prep for next days lunch as well as grabbing half hour for yourself youre not going to want to faff about chopping veg and making a bolognese. Bunging a pizza in while uoure washing the toddler and the elder is doing their homework is much more attractive.

I also think busy lives and lack of exercise contributes. Theres much more information on healthy esting these days - chia seeds, buddha bowls, low csrb, low fat, 5:2, fasting, ww, sw, intuitive eating ... when my parents were growing up there was none of thst yet people were more fit.

A usual day then (rhondda valleys so deprivation galore) was toast and coffee for breakfast, or maybe a bacon roll, or a full breakfast if had the time. Elevenses more coffee and a biscuit or two. Dinner usually sandwich , crisps, maybe an apple. Tea home cooked. Possibly supper. The focus wasnt how healthy food was or even how it tasted, it was is it filling? And how much is it?
The difference is that cars were obly used for long journeys. Most men would walk to work, even when that walk was 2miles and theyd then be off doen a mile. Factory work was physicsl snd again youd tend to walk there. Older children would walk to school, or younger children walked with mam who would walk there and back. With multiple children, the toddler had to walk if the baby needed the pram.

There certainly wasnt as much fussing over whats healthy and what isnt, or agonising over if a malt loaf is ok for packed lunch for children , or how msny sweets they had. But again there was more time available. At least near me, most womem tend to stop working once they have children or go part time at the least. They had more time to cook meals from scratch. Because of poverty a costa coffee was a treat on holiday, not an everyday occurance.

I think nowadays, particularly in cities, were money rich but time poor. In my hometown more people now work, drive everywhere and takeaways are more accessible. Its not realistoc to expect someone to get home at 6pm and start cooking a meal. Beans on toast or pasta n sauce is easy enough but not the tastiest. Im single and manage to motivate myself, by having sn hours sit down before cooking. I still dont finish cooking, eating and washing up by 8pm most evenings and then its a shower, tv and bed! And i make quite simple or at least not time consuming meals. Add in a few kids to wrangle, and a lack of money so not being able to tske risks on what if dc wont eat it,and it becomes obvious.

And a pack of biscuits is cheaper than a pack of apples. A pack of 6 apples is 6 portions. A psxk of buscuits will give quite a few more portions. Not everyone has a local cheap supermarket. Often the local shops in poorer areas contain oblg bananas in the way of fruit and veg, but shelf upon shelf of junk food. Yes you can travel 4miles to tesco or 6miles to aldi, but thats bus fare youve got to find plus a few hours to dedicate to doing it, plus lugging it back. I have an aldi right near work, many dont

Also, if youve had an unexpected bill but next month youll be fine, its easier to manage mentally. You can live off pasta and veg etc because theres an end in sight. Treats can be expensive toiletries or a cinema trip or a holiday or new shoes etc. When theres no end in sight its hsrder. We all eant treats its human nsture. But when youre struggling day to day and theres no holiday or cinema or nice toiletries in sight, then your treat becomes a chinese on oay day. It becomes a few glasses of gin on a saturday, and a few biscuits while watching tv.

If youre in a nice area you can let your kids play out, or afford clubs etc. If youre in a rough area you might not feel safe letting ypur kids play out.

I think a bit of empathy wouldnt go amiss on this thread. Yes, we shojld all just chop an apple and stick it in a bag for a snack. Never mind that walking to your caring job, exhausted, wet through with rain, worrying about money erc and then habing the faff chopping an apple which doesnt even taste that nice, is miserable as fuck. We all need a bit of comfort and i certainly cant blamd tje poor for wantinh a kitkat instead.

Its much easier to be slim and healthy wjen you have momey. Read the road to wigan pier. When you work 9-5, few money worries, accessible cheap shops, good equipment and skills, non fussy children, the ability to get it wrong and eat something else instead, well its easy to be virtuous and eat chia seeds mixed with yogurt and mango and sneer at the fatties who just arent trying hard enough. Its acrually an incredibly privileged position to be able to choose food based on health and dietary preferences, as opposed to choosinh based on financial constraints and will your family actually eat it.

Fuck the privilege on this thread is glaring. You can tell Mn is middleclass!!

SheepandCow · 01/08/2020 17:08

@angstridden2

I think many people with no health or disability issues causing weight gain nowadays feel they have almost a ‘right’ to eat everything they fancy...I know I could eat cake and chocolate all day.however I know that if I do I will put on more weight than I should and as a middle aged woman it will be hard to shift it! So I don’t.
People need some joy. If your life is a relentless miserable grind you need something to indulge in. Smoking rates have fallen, tranquillisers are now rarely prescribed, holidays are expensive. That leaves, for many, food. Humans need some form of comfort.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/30/obesity-trauma-fat-covid-19-shame-weight-gain

SheepandCow · 01/08/2020 17:09

Very good post@Madein1995

Staplemaple · 01/08/2020 17:22

Its not realistoc to expect someone to get home at 6pm and start cooking a meal.

Yeah how on earth does anyone manage.

Madein1995 · 01/08/2020 20:34

Well personally staple i watch tv for an hour before cooking, or i micro a meal cooked before and shoved in freezer, or occasionally i grab a takeaway. I live 20min bus journey from home and often by the timd im fone and showered it is 8pm. So hardly surprising some choose not to.

Add in a hungry toddler needing bathing and bed, a primary school child needing help with homework, kids laundry to do, lunches to maje the next day, showering yourself as well as kids ... its easy to see how you can get to 10pm not having relaxed all day. Funnily enough many are busy enough never mind faffing making a homemade curry for tea. And even if you plan to make a simple veg pasta thats not as appealing when youre hungry and tired and the fuck it button us all too easy

Staplemaple · 01/08/2020 20:37

Well yes, but by your own admission it's a choice. Not that it's a competition, but when DS was 10 months I started back at work full time DH was deployed, I made it a priority to cook something. Yours is to watch telly which is fine, but you could make it your priority. Most things I cooked didn't take too long, and then I had the rest for lunch the next day so saved making a seperate packed lunch. We all make our own excuses and decisions.

BarbaraofSeville · 01/08/2020 21:00

You can also cook at other times so you don't have to do the hard work when you're tired and hungry in the early evenings.

Slow cooker on in the morning, batch cook at the weekend, cook or do a lot of prep later in the evening so you just have to finish something off when you get home the next day. Lots of options to make things easier, plus have some easier quicker meals on some days.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 01/08/2020 21:34

There are even healthier ready meals. And healthier,wholesome options to just throw in the oven. There doesn't need to be big cooking. As pps said. Making extra 1 or two portions when people cook and freezing it is great time saver too. There are so many options.

SimonJT · 01/08/2020 21:37

@SchrodingersImmigrant

There are even healthier ready meals. And healthier,wholesome options to just throw in the oven. There doesn't need to be big cooking. As pps said. Making extra 1 or two portions when people cook and freezing it is great time saver too. There are so many options.
There are good quality ready meals that are fairly balanced, but they’re very expensive.

My boyfriend can’t cook due to a disability, before he moved in he was having to spend an outrageous amount on food as it had to be things he could put in an oven and in small/light portions so he could physically lift them.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 01/08/2020 21:40

Yes, they can be pricey, but now the argument wasn't money but time.

Madein1995 · 01/08/2020 23:32

To be fair i do utilise quick meals and batch cooking, but id say the biggest difference is im single. After work, all i have to do is makd tea, shower etc and its only me who experiences the consequences. Getting in at 6, drinking wine and faffing on facebook while making stir fry is v. Different to wrangling children and chores while trying to xook at the same time. Never mind wanting to acrually see your kids and do nice things on a weekend.

I do thibk its a multi faced issue though, grtting home at 6pm isnt the only issue. Working longer with longer commutes is certsinly a problem, it was for me. The fast paced always doing something lifestyle isnt helpful either. Add in poverty, cooking skills, availability,taste, ease snd equipment snd it all comes together.

I didmt learn to cook until uni. Mam was emotionally abusive and refused to teach me in an attempt to control me. So embarassing going to uni not knowing how to even boil pasta. I did learn in unix and actually quite enjoy cooking and experimenting now, but not everyone knoes how to cook either. And it can seem a lot of effort for little reward! Spending 30plus mins to mske a nice chicken and couscous and veg dish vs a quick egg on toadt. And i do use easier meals like eg on toast etc,but that repetition isnt great in itself. Also the misunderstanding around nutrition. Full fat or low fat? Milk and cheese or no? Meat good or bad? Are bananas and potatoes ok or not? Are you eating too late or early? Have you weighed your chicken and pasta? Should you have used olive oil? Theres so many various diet plans that eating sensibly is hsrd to get your head around

For me, lockdown has helped tremendously. Before i was always rushing between work and na and food was a sandwich, or a coffee,or a dominos. I barely had a minute to think let alone relax. My sleep was atrocious and i got into bad habits. Covid has helped me reprioritise things. Now i try and be in bed by 1030 on a work night, and i tey and get up for 8am latest on a weekday. Ive introduced a bedtime routine and ensure i have 30mins no screens before bed. I go for a walk during lunch when wfh, and i eat 3 meals a day whiçh are mainly nutritious although i do snack too sometimes. This doesnt sound very difficult i appreciate but its a contradt to how i was living before. Were recently back in the offixe and i feel having an embedded routine is helping.

I usually make my smoothie and lunch the evening before, and 3x a week when i finish around 5 i cook. The other 2 evenings i will have leftovers from previous night or freezer batch cooked stuff, which has taken planning but again i have time. Ive got a good sleep routine and arent so knackered. Ill be bsck to the 10pm finishes next month which im not relishing, but i do feel having this time to get myself sorted im in the best position to maintain good habits.

Ill be tired and thats inevitable i know, but on says im not working evenings ill be leaving the office by 5. I can aleays wfh later if needed but at least om home and eaten at a sensible time. No more schlepping to meetings at stupud times. I can do zoom NA meetings or just cut down, and be strict with bedtimes when possible. Ill carry on prepping breakfsst and lunch and tea in the office will be frozen batch cooked stuff. This all sounds really obvious i know, bit its easy to get csught in the trap where self care becomes an annoyance not a priority. If youre knackered you eat shit food, if you eat shit food you feel lethargic, if youre busy you dont give your body time to heal etc. This lockeown has really helped me mske some positive chsnges and im sure my lifestyle pre lockdown isnt unusual for single,young, full time professionals

Oliversmumsarmy · 02/08/2020 09:12

Unfortunately I think Boris and the government are coming at this purely through a thinking that people got fat because they over ate and didn’t move enough so if you eat less and move more you lose weight.

Whilst that might be what happens in a happy persons body most people I would say aren’t happy and are going to struggle.

People today have stress so much part of their everyday life I think they don’t notice it and stress I believe not only makes you fat (look up cortisol levels) I think it hinders any attempt at weight loss.

It is the only reason I can come up with for the reason that I eat very carefully 50 weeks of the year and my weight tracks my sleep patterns (insomnia, if I have 4 hours sleep I gain a pound if I have 8 hours sleep I lose 4lb)
Yet I go on holiday and eat what I like when I like and generally not worry what I eat. I leave all the stress I am under at the airport and step out of my everyday life for 10/12/14 days and the weight falls off me.

I have comeback 8lbs lighter without any conscious checking what I have eaten each day.

I think also men and women are different.
A man I think can cut out the packet of biscuits per day habit and start eating healthier and the weight comes off
A woman can do the same yet it won’t come off the same. We have to tackle the hormonal differences

It is a given most post menopausal women put on weight.
There are slim women who don’t put on weight but that isn’t down to luck but because they have changed their diet and upped their exercise.

If it was about calories in v calories out then there wouldn’t have been any need to adjust any daily diet or exercise routine.

I used to be very slim.
I put on weight during pregnancy and because of a back injury then arthritis I couldn’t lose it later.

I don’t think I over eat. Yesterday I got up at 7am and had a cup of coffee (2sugars and milk) then at 3pm made an avocado sandwich (2 rounds of bread, a tiny avocado and a squirt of salad cream) and another coffee. Then later had a vegan feta cheese salad, 2 pieces of fruit and 2 lines of chocolate. (Normally wouldn’t have had the chocolate but Dd offered and it looked quite nice). I had a litre of water watching tv in the evening
Today my Fitbit said I had 4 hours and 50 minutes sleep so I know I will be 1lb heavier.

The less sleep I get the more I weigh.
The more stressed I am the more I weigh

If I could get more sleep and if someone can take away my stress I would be a size zero by Christmas.

Calories in v calories out doesn’t tell the whole story.

daisypond · 02/08/2020 09:29

I’m not sure about that. I’m post menopausal (four years, and without HRT) and haven’t put on weight, or eaten less or exercised more. I weigh the same as I did 30 years ago. I was weighed at the doctor’s this week and the doctor commented I weighed the same as I did ten years ago. Maybe that’s unusual, though.