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People in Spain

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MadameBee · 26/07/2020 21:28

Whilst I think the government are a bunch of idiots and the decision yday to make anyone returning from Spain today to spend 14 days in quarantine has caused chaos.

AIBU to wonder why people have risked going to Spain anyway when there has always been the risk of a second lockdown.

There was a hairdresser on the news saying she hasn’t been able to work and now won’t be able to for another 14 days plus - it begs the question why did you risk going?

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TibetanTerrier · 26/07/2020 23:22

@jasjas1973
Well, why was Spain even on the air bridge list? even a quick google shows spain was seeing a doubling of Cv cases in mid June.

Wrong again. Cases were actually reducing in mid-June. On the 1st June there were 209 new cases in Spain and on 15 June there were 181 new cases. Cases have shot up into the thousands again over the past week, and the government has acted decisively with this quarantine.

jacks11 · 26/07/2020 23:23

YANBU

People knew that the travel “ bridges” were temporary and under constant review. So they went knowing there was a risk they may have to quarantine. You make your choices and take the consequences, good or bad.

I think it’s a bit much to say people went because the government said they could, do no changes can be made to that advice whatever the evidence that it isn’t a good idea any longer. Wherever the cut off was would negatively affect some people.

Personally, I would not travel abroad unless vital at the minute, risks of getting caught up in some problems is too great. Others make a different judgement, some got their holiday and it looks like some won’t now. Not great if it’s you, but you took that chance if you book abroad in the current situation.

I think the government asking employers to just suck it up are in cloud cuckoo land. For one thing, if it’s done for this group of people, it will have to be done for everyone going forward. People will be even more likely to go on holiday to destinations they know are at risk of being taken off the “safe travel list” because they can just get an extra 2 weeks paid holiday to isolate if needed. I think the message needs to be- go if you can have your holiday and the necessary 2 weeks isolation If required (either as not working, work for yourself and can take time if needed or agreed in advance with your employer). If not, you have to make holiday plans accordingly.

My friend runs a small business and 2 members of staff are caught up in this. They are only just getting back on their feet after lockdown, but pre-booked holidays were honoured. It makes things tough for the rest of the staff, and other people are due to be on holiday (not abroad) once the get back, and someone else a bit after them. These members of staff are expecting an extra 2 weeks of paid leave to allow them to isolate. Given the financial situation, this is not viable- can’t cancel other staff member’s holiday but need people in to cover. So they are going to have to pay over time to some staff to cover the hours of the 2 who have to isolate. The upshot is that they’ve been told they can take the extra 2 weeks as annual leave or unpaid leave. Neither are happy and kicking up a huge fuss. I think they’ve been given perfectly reasonable options and should be grateful they’ve been given a choice. I think lots of employers are going to be faced with employees expecting to have an extra 2 weeks paid annual leave.

TibetanTerrier · 26/07/2020 23:30

@Boogiewoogiebugleboy
I know someone personally who is returning and they have no plans to quarantine. Will
they get caught? I doubt it. I don’t agree with their stance but I don’t see what can be done.

You report them, that's what should be done. I wouldn't hesitate to report someone who was deliberately endangering other people's lives.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/07/2020 23:41

There are lots of ways to live with this virus. One would be to pretty much eradicate it, strictly quarantine people entering the country and wit it out.

Locking the door after the horse has bolted. Unless you basically shut down all services and let people die, the UK population will continue to infect itself. I do think we shouldn't be travelling (and I've cancelled mine and won't see my parents for many more months) but thinking this can be 'eradicated' if people don't travel is silly.

jasjas1973 · 26/07/2020 23:41

@TibetanTerrier No you have just selectively quoted ! Overall Spain's cases have been increasing and over a 7 day rolling average have been going up, often doubling from the previous day.

As early as the 12th June, Spanish newspapers were reporting a new 2nd wave was possible esp as night clubs were planning on opening on the 21st june.

However, whilst its right the quarantine has been applied, Spain shouldn't have been put on the safe list in the first place.

My point is that it's not the peoples fault but the govt's who told them to get back out there.

Flowers009 · 26/07/2020 23:43

Because I needed a holiday
I don't mind self isolating as I work from home

Devlesko · 26/07/2020 23:43

I hate this government, and tbh all conservative governments, but how on earth is it their fault?
The situation is changing all the time, there's no secret about the risks.

jasjas1973 · 26/07/2020 23:48

If thats the case (and i don't argue it isn't) then why on earth were we all encouraged to get back out there and travel/go shopping/stop working from home?

GabsAlot · 26/07/2020 23:50

i think as soon as people heard you can go on holiday they didnt factor n the risks of quarantine-stupid but spain was one of thef irst they announced like it was safe

anyone who booked it ages ago i feel for

iloveginandtonic · 26/07/2020 23:51

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thegcatsmother · 26/07/2020 23:58

It's not just the UK govt who have done this; both Norway and France have also stopped travel to Spain and I think Norway has reintroduced quarantine.

Aragog · 27/07/2020 16:27

Lockhart - I agree WAS safe but I was responding to why did people book, rather than why did the new rules come in.

Kwaiting · 29/07/2020 09:09

We recently moved to France and were lucky we made it in time before all the lockdowns started! Feel sorry for those who are stuck!

BluebellsGreenbells · 29/07/2020 09:13

People are starting to realise that we can’t sit around in lockdown waiting for the virus to go away

Well it’s people that spread the virus, it isn’t magical!

You move you spread - same as all the others doing the exact same

IwishIhadaMargarita · 29/07/2020 14:09

Nicola Sturegeon said repeatedly‘travel at your own risk’ and then ‘ the quarantine situation can and very likely will change quickly based on infection rates’ if people choose to go then they take the risk

Heidi1976 · 29/07/2020 14:17

I think it's situation dependant. A retiree per se with a place aboard, with no job to come back to and would quite happily get locked down in Spain if it were to occur - well I understand why they would still go.

Ylvamoon · 29/07/2020 14:26

I understand people wanting a holiday, companies selling holidays need us to go and so on.
But it was global travelling that spread the virus, so it really is a non braier that there will be travel restrictions on and off for the foreseeable!
I would have liked the government to be a bit more pro active for the travel industry, they are having huge losses and some are no doubt at the brink of collapse. Refunds for holidays booked before lockdown is a must, but maybe no refund for holidays booked past April / May, l in a way it's a gamble you win or lose... something has to give.

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