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Risk pushing for child maintenance?

16 replies

daisyjgrey · 26/07/2020 16:56

This is quite long, I will try to be as concise as possible.

ExH and I have been apart for 7 years. He has never paid CM. I initially didn't pursue it because he had such a low income when he left that it wouldn't have been worth it.

In the first year of us splitting he had our daughter infrequently, roughly one Sunday a fortnight, day time only.

Eventually when he saw her more regularly, roughly one night and two days every fortnight I calculated that he'd only owe me something around £11 a week in CM, I'd rather he had that money to use when he had her.

Fast forward to now, he has had a live in partner for a couple of years who also has a daughter. My DD stays with him EOW Saturday afternoon until Tuesday morning and on the alternate week on a Monday night, so 8 nights a month. He currently doesn't earn a huge amount but more than before.

Throughout our marriage he was a heavy drinker/alcoholic. Drank heavily a minimum of 5 nights a week. Was regularly emotionally and verbally abusive. Was physically abusive on more than a handful of occasions. After we split he continued to be emotionally and verbally abusive. Currently he's generally fine with me but has unexplained, unreasonable outbursts at me probably every couple of months. He doesn't attend parents evenings, school functions, drs appointments, dentist appointments etc and never has done.

I divorced him, but using the 2 year separation clause, and I had to do EVERYTHING for it. Even having to go over there and tell him where to sign. No property etc was involved, straight forward form filling and signatures.

I asked for a financial contribution before Christmas, I asked for £22 a month, which is half the cost of her dinner money. He refused, saying that because I receive child benefit for her, the financial burden is mine (he was less eloquent..). I have received in total, over 7 years, £13 for a school cardigan when she was 5.

I am fed up with the abuse and how I am still a sounding board for his temper tantrums 12 years in. It's exhausting and every time it happens I am catapulted back to a time when I have had to physically and emotionally protect myself and my child. I want him to contribute to his daughter's life.

I had a brief conversation with a family solicitor over the phone about my options and the upshot of it was that if I pushed for CM I risked him taking me to court for 50/50 access, (which I DO NOT want him to have). Realistically if he did try that, he wouldn't be able to afford a solicitor, doesn't qualify for legal aid and has zero ability to competently represent himself. I could find funds if pushed for a solicitor, may potentially qualify for legal aid (according to the solicitor there are a couple of loopholes) and could represent myself if required (sister is a family law paralegal, although not in the area of divorces).

Realistically I'm looking at probably £80 a month CM that I'd be entitled to (and the principle of it, which is decidedly more valuable).

I've spent the last few years having a mental back and forth with myself about going through with it but I'm aware I'm heavily clouded by how much hate I have for him and I don't want anything I do to have a negative impact on my DD's life. DD is 10 so he'll be around and 'involved' for a while longer.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? Is the risk worth it?

TLDR: Do I try to claim CM and risk dickhead ExH taking me to court for 50/50 access to DD?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 26/07/2020 17:19

If he took you to court for 50:50 it would cost him and be effort - I reckon he is too lazy to bother!

He is probably more likely to punish you by cancelling contact and being difficult about that.

Yes I would make a claim via CMS.

rawlikesushi · 26/07/2020 17:56

Do you ever see him with his partner present, at handovers for example?

If so, I would tell him, in a reasonable tone and citing increasing school expenses, that you are pursuing cm.

How could he possibly object? Having his partner there, herself a mum, might just reign him in.

Breastfeedingworries · 26/07/2020 18:00

That’s crazy low! It’s so unfair. I hope you get it sorted op. If it’s that low amount tho and he’s having her and feeding her while he has her is it worth rocking boat?

user1493413286 · 26/07/2020 18:07

But that’s always a risk with anything you do and you can’t live worried like that; I would pursue child maintenance and make sure you keep all evidence of verbal abuse and keep records of messages to him about the child maintenance so that if he were to go to court in response to that you can evidence that his motives were due to money and not because he actually wants 50:50.

katy1213 · 26/07/2020 18:17

I know it's generally accepted that a relationship with the father is a 'good thing' - but a relationship with a sperm donor who once bought her a school cardie?

How does your daughter feel about him?
He won't go for 50/50 - it'd eat into his beer money.

JanewaysBun · 26/07/2020 18:18

I wouldn't want to risk it tbh ... I would prefer to have a child with me more and pay for thrm entirely, as unfair as that is x

DelphiniumBlue · 26/07/2020 18:20

Well you know him best, is it likely that he would go for 50:50? I think it's unlikely, but I don't know him.
He'd need to be able to justify why he was only asking for it now..
I'd go for CMS, morally he should be supporting his child. Some of that money he spends on drinking could go to enhance his child's well-being.The fact that he doesn't pay must make her feel pretty rejected.
I know I lost more and more respect for my father the more I found out about how he'd dumped the whole financial burden onto my Mum. He even used to ask her to pay for train fares for us to visit him. It's more than 40 years ago but it still rankles.For your DD's sake, he needs to be making a visible contribution.

Starlightstarbright1 · 26/07/2020 18:22

My abusive ex went awol . It was only when he took me to court for access that I went to the then Csa.

He dropped the court case but now pays minimal maintenance .

You know your ex far better than anyone on here what he is likely to do.

LannieDuck · 26/07/2020 18:26

Do you think he would get his act together enough to file for 50:50? Given you had to do everything during the divorce?

I asked for a financial contribution before Christmas, I asked for £22 a month, which is half the cost of her dinner money. He refused, saying that because I receive child benefit for her, the financial burden is mine

Based on this, I would do it. I would be too infuriated not to!

If he's drinking so heavily, he absolutely can afford to pay for his child instead.

TW2013 · 26/07/2020 18:55

How old is dd and what would she want? Couldn't tell whether she was 7 or 12. The older she is the more they will consider her wishes in terms of contact.

Techway · 26/07/2020 19:58

How old is your daughter now?

PumpkinP · 27/07/2020 00:29

I would risk it, I doubt he would go for 50/50 contact.

It does say in the op that the child is 10 btw for those that have asked.

I don’t think £80 a month is that low, my ex has to pay only £7 a week for 4 children!

Homemadearmy · 27/07/2020 00:58

If it did go to court. They would take a dim view of the fact that he hasn't contributed and that he only asked for 50/50 when asked for maintenance

Gingerkittykat · 27/07/2020 01:29

I would also go for it, use CMS collect and pay so he has to pay them directly.

I have a similarly feckless ex, the CMS eventually made him pay. I get a different amount each month, it's been as high as £300 and some months zero. I don't rely on it and see it as a bonus to do nice things with.

My ex also threatened to go for custody but never did.

daisyjgrey · 27/07/2020 13:50

These are all really good points and everybody's input is really helpful, thank you.

I think I was so taken aback that he thought me asking for £22 a month was unreasonable that I've started to question everything.

Realistically I think the chances of him taking me to court are very small and if he tried I don't think the court would be jumping at the chance to have her live with him more. She shares a room at his house, has her own here etc.

I'm so so furious I never logged any abuse when it happened, even just photographically. I try and communicate as much as possible with him via text so I can keep screenshots of everything but occasionally something slips through and he'll be awful down the phone.

How does your daughter feel about him?

She loves him and generally has a nice time when she's with him. His patience isn't great and he doesn't know how to treat a pre-teen girl particularly in regards to not being inflammatory in situations where 5 minutes to calm down would resolve things. I have been extremely careful to never bad mouth him to/in front of her.

The fact that he doesn't pay must make her feel pretty rejected.

She doesn't know, I've never told her he doesn't contribute or mentioned anything along those lines. She sees things like me ordering school uniform, her choosing her things here and me paying for school trips, although I'm unsure if she's put two and two together.

What's really ridiculous, despite knowing what he SHOULD do and which resources I need to bring up my daughter, is there's probably 5% of me that hopes he doesn't pay anything so I can walk away from him in 8 years, knowing I did it myself... Confused

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movpov · 27/07/2020 15:56

He's not going to go to court, he's too lazy and selfish, and if he did, as a previous poster said the court would look very unfavourably on someone who has never made any effort to provide financial support . I'm going to go against what some people have said, and say that while it looks like you are letting him get away with not supporting his child financially - and if it was me then without a doubt that would stick in my throat - I would not want to be beholden to him for anything. You know that even if you did pursue it via CMS he would find all sorts of reasons not to comply anyway. You might get a few £ here and there but certainly not regularly or reliably. If you can afford it at all, I would quietly take pride in the satisfaction you did it yourself. Your daughter will see his true colours as she gets older and she will work out who provided for her and who didn't - then she may have some awkward questions for him.
On the subject of the abuse, keep screenshots of everything - just in the unlikely event he does go to court - and if you can record any phone conversations where he is abusive then do that too. Otherwise, simply hang up when he kicks off. That kind of behaviour is a criminal offence now and I know you said you don't want to do anything that would negatively impact your child's life, but you do not have to put up with this treatment negatively impacting your life.
You sound like you're doing a great job, so be proud of that and look forward to the double celebration on her 18th birthday - when you 1. mark her big day and 2. never need to have anything to do with him ever again.

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