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Help - mum weight nightmare

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qwertykoala · 23/07/2020 19:27

Long time lurker but first time poster. Just going to give a bit of context first so I don't drip feed.
I am 23, 5ft 8 and a size 12 bottom, size 8/10 top. I can't tell you my weight as I don't own scales - I got quite obsessed with the number on the scales as a teen (unhealthily so), so just go off how I feel and my clothes size. I carry the majority of my weight around my legs/bum/hips and have quite a muscular thigh – bit of a pear. I eat approx 1400 calories per day, sometimes less. Historically I have been a 8/small 10 bottom and 4/6 top, however only as a teenager or a very troubled adult.

I am trying my best to accept that now, as a woman, I am never going to look exactly the same as I did when I was 16 years old. This acceptance doesn't really come easily to me, and there have been periods of my young adult life when I would eat 700 calories per day and do 20k steps to achieve this; I have never been diagnosed with an eating disorder but recognize that a lot of doctors would see it that way.

My problem is that my mum seems to have fixated on my teenage figure and (at the time) loved to brag about me to her friends/show pictures – like when someone gets a new puppy and has to get everyone to admire it. She's made it an 'ideal' in her head, and to some degree I agree with her – I DID look best when I was skinny, however I know that this is just not how my body wants to be. To achieve this, I have to starve myself and at the points of my life when I have achieved 'perfection', my mind has been a very unpleasant place to be. I live with my mum and have no plans to move out soon, as I am a mature full time student – my point is that I have to have contact with her daily.

She will constantly say things to 'incentivise' me to lose weight, like 'if you get down to a 10 by September, I will buy you X'. Another popular one is 'I just know you so well and I know you're not happy being bigger'. I quarantined with my partner at the start of lockdown as my mum was shielding and I was still commuting to a busy city for work.. the first thing she had to say to me when I saw her for the first time was 'Oh I see you haven't put on TOO much weight then' (tone of voice said otherwise). We spoke to our neighbour for the first time in a while and the neighbour mentioned how I looked good, mum cut her off and said 'YES but she has put weight on though'.
She has also mentioned the above to my elderly grandmother, who fixates on things and will ask if I've lost any weight every time I speak to her as though I am horribly obese.

It's important to note that I have tried to get the point across that I'm pretty sure I had an eating disorder previously, and that I was only that way because I was depressed and not eating.. or I was barely more than a child. The problem is, though, is that she is incapable of seeing food issues as real ones – she eats to survive, and will just stop eating altogether without much trouble if she wants to lose weight. She doesn't 'love' food or look forward to it like I do. She also seems to think that, because I wasn't 5 stone wet through, it is impossible that I had an eating disorder. Basically she wouldn't be concerned if I went back to eating 700 calories, because she has routinely done it for years and therefore doesn't think it's dangerous.

I have dealt with this for years, so it doesn't make me upset in a weepy way. The issue I'm facing is more that she makes me consider whether I'm actually wrong, and I do actually look massive. I'm not happy with how I look at the minute because I don't currently have a healthy relationship with my body, and it seems that she cannot help reinforcing this. I don't eat enormous amounts, sometimes slipping to one meal per day, and she makes me feel as though I should be eating even less. I am trying to come to terms with the fact that I'm a woman now rather than a teenager, and if eating 1400 calories puts me at a size 12, so be it..... but her doing this makes it very difficult.

The whole debacle is also damaging our relationship, to the point where I didn't really feel much when we discovered she was very poorly late last year (in remission now). I feel that she would rather I looked how she wants at the expense of my happiness, rather than having to face the shame of having a size 12 daughter.. which is so far from what a mother should be in my mind. I am happy now, aside from my body image issues, and I am in a stable relationship... but it seems she preferred me when I was being messed about by a horrible boyfriend, barely ate and spent hours walking about at night to get my step count up. I see it as, at best, ignorant and, at worst, abusive.

I guess I just need advice on whether I should be seeing her behaviour differently than I do. I understand that everything above is from my own perspective and someone who is a mother (particularly a mother of girls) may have some sort of explanation for me. I am also running out of ideas with regards to how to cope with all of this, or how to explain in a way that will make her understand the damage she's doing.

So, am I being unreasonable for feeling this way? If you had a daughter who looked 'worse' than she used to, would you feel compelled to say something? Do you think I could be in denial and I'm not as 'average' as I thought? How can I cope with/change this? Help please.

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TheMobileSiteMadeMeSignup · 23/07/2020 19:32

Your mother sounds like a nightmare. I can't imagine ever saying any of that to/about my DD!

You sound a similar height and build to me OP, and I too was a stick thin skinny thing at 16. It's definitely an adjustment when your body changes in your 20s, noone prepares you for it!

I know you have no plans to move out just now but I would seriously start considering it. Your mum is perpetuating a cycle if her mum is also so focused on food and weight. Break that cycle and do yourself a favour by getting away from their unhealthy views.

Hublott · 23/07/2020 19:33

How’s your mums weight? She appear to project her own issues on you.

TheMobileSiteMadeMeSignup · 23/07/2020 19:35

Also, well done on overcoming some really damaging eating habits.

Katrinawaves · 23/07/2020 19:41

You are an adult and therefore you and only you gets to decide how you look and what you eat and how much you exercise.

Your mother sounds like she has very distorted views about food and body image and you absolutely do not have to adopt these whether you live with her or not.

I think you need to shut her down every time she brings these issues up. A brief “I’m happy with how I look” followed by an immediate change of subject and a refusal to dwell on what she has said are in order.

Delbelleber · 23/07/2020 19:45

I didn't read the whole post but from the sounds of it you don't have a peck of fat on you and even if you did there is no way you would look fat by any stretch of the imagination.
As for your mother!! If that was my mum I would cut her right off every time she mentioned my weight. Mum will stop going on about my weight all the time it's embarrassing/I'm not interested /what's my weight got to do with you anyway. And tell her time.

Craftycorvid · 23/07/2020 19:49

It’s not surprising you have historic problems with weight and self-image, OP. You’ve been groomed to have them by your mum’s behaviour. Think about what you’ve said about her wanting to show you off like a prize puppy - you’re a person not a possession. Her love is to say the least conditional. Well done for having reached self-acceptance, that shows great strength. The problems are ALL in her head. You have every right to tell her firmly that your weight is not up for discussion, that you are happy and healthy as you are. Even if you looked clearly unwell or obese, remarking on it to someone in front of you is not ok. If you otherwise have an ok relationship with her, keeping your boundaries on what you are prepared to discuss might be the best approach.

mumonthehill · 23/07/2020 19:54

Are you happy with your weight, because I think most people would be. You sound a healthy size and you are tall. You need to find phrases that cut the conversation with her short, I am sure someone will come along with some good responses. If you have had any sort of eating disorder in the past then these comments from her are very damaging, please do not let them into your head.

Grumpymum789 · 23/07/2020 19:54

Wow you poor thing. The only thing I can think of is either move away ( easier said then done), or close her off saying ‘I’m not speaking about my weight / appearance with you’.

Mulhollandmagoo · 23/07/2020 20:08

Wow, your mum sounds like a lot of hard work!! Firstly, you sound like you have an absolutely cracking figure - one I would give my right arm for!! Secondly, your mum is very very toxic and you need to be careful that she doesn't creep into your head and have you doubt yourself, if you're happy with yourself, your life and your partner then that's good enough, and you sound as if you do have your head screwed on nice and tight which is good.

Have you tried therapy? I think you would benefit from it in terms of helping you assert yourself and establish some boundaries, as I imagine your mum isn't just like this about your weight. I completely agree with other posters who advise just cutting the conversation dead as soon as it starts, just a polite but firm 'mum, it's inappropriate for you to speak about my weight like that, please stop' and then change the subject

tiredanddangerous · 23/07/2020 20:10

I think it's very clear why you have had problems with disordered eating in the past. Your mother is not food for your mental health op, and my advice is to move out ASAP.

tiredanddangerous · 23/07/2020 20:11

*good not food

qwertykoala · 23/07/2020 20:23

Thanks so much everyone for your kind replies and advice, I really appreciate them; it's good to know that I'm not just in denial. It can often be hard for me to get someone else's opinion, as I don't really want to go about damaging her 'reputation' (can't think of how else to word it) by discussing it with those who know her.

@Hublott she is a bit of a yo-yo'er, so she can be anything between an 8/small 10 and a 6 depending on whether she decides to eat or not that month. I think I agree about the projecting - I had probably just never been on the receiving end of it before, because previously I was just marching to the beat of her drums all the time!

@Mulhollandmagoo yep you're right about it not just being weight related. This time around will be my second time to uni - I had to withdraw first time around because I just wasn't coping with my mental health... she will repeatedly say that I can't 'f*ck it up like last time' whenever I mention going back, despite me telling her that it really wasn't anything I had any control over. Sad
I have been to therapy before but never regarding this - maybe that's something I should explore

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Natmat1 · 23/07/2020 20:35

I understand that all parents are different and have different views , however personally I love my daughters as they are and just want them to be happy and healthy.
I does sound like your mother is projecting her personal issues on you, she seems to put a lot of value on a body image . She probably does not see anything wrong with her behaviour because it went on for so long and became a norm in communication between you.
Your size most certainly does not sound big at all! Starving yourself by consuming such little amount of calories is not good so it is great that you recognise it. Healthy amount of regular exercise could boost your self esteem so maybe do a bit of that, if not already.
I do think that you need to have a firm chat with your mum, make it very clear that you find her comments offensive. That at your age you have a good understanding of what healthy eating means and that different people (including close relatives ) have a varied perception of body shapes. As it happens you and your boyfriend very much like yours as it is and that you are not sure why your own mother would not.
Plus you study, work and sound well rounded a great deal for your mum to be proud off!

Zitouna · 23/07/2020 20:35

Hi - just wanted to say that the relationship dynamic you describe is very familiar to me (tho opposite way round with me - my mum is overweight and has been unsuccessfully dieting for almost 50 years - she wants to ‘save’ me from being like her).

One thing that really helped me was reading ‘Fat is a Feminist Issue’ by Susie Orbach, who is a psychotherapist specialising in issues with food. She is really interesting on the relationship between mothers and daughters and how it applies to food/weight. How lots of issues aren’t really about food per se but about the wider relationship. I found it really interesting and it helped me to detach a bit from my difficulties with my mum.

tenlittlecygnets · 23/07/2020 20:55

Your mum is very hurtful and wrong. You are an adult and you’re a healthy weight. All that should matter is that you are happy with the weight you are, not your mother. It has nothing to do with her. It sounds like she is completely unsupportive all together with her comments about university, so have you ever talkEd to her about what she says to you and how you feel about it? If you have, how did She respond? If you haven’t, do you think it would go well?

I think you need to move out and get some space from her. She is not healthy for you: it sounds like she’s putting her own weight issues on to you but she is completely unrealistic and unempathetic. What she is saying is horrible for a mother to say to a daughter. I would never dream of talking to my daughter like this.

You’ve done really well to overcome your eating issues, and your mother is just pulling you back.

qwertykoala · 23/07/2020 21:09

Again thanks for anyone who's taken the time to comment - I have been holding all of this in for so long that I actually feel a bit teary ha.

@Zitouna I have just ordered the book now - hopefully it'll just help me cope better, so she can't get into my head as easily. I have come to accept that it may not ever change so it's just about making it easier really.

@tenlittlecygnets I have briefly spoken to her yes, but she's the type of person to cut you off by going 'yeah I know I know I know' and then doing exactly the same the next time. She also doesn't believe she can ever do much wrong, so I have learnt just to ignore her most of the time but with this it's hard to ignore - every time she does it I start to internalise the message more. My dad and partner (who is a PT) are the opposite - they get concerned if they see me not eating enough!

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Wilkolampshade · 23/07/2020 21:13

Flowers for you OP
I'm a mum of two daughters. Had a v thin mum myself. I wasn't thin - and she hated it. She tried her best not to be like that, but wasn't fully aware I think.
Yes, detach, and as a PP earlier has said, shut her down, cooly, when she starts. It probably does stem from her own issues, but don't let her make them yours.
You've done sooo brilliantly to keep your chin up. It can be v disappointing when our parents let us down and we long for the parents we wish they were.. but can never be. You have very very much to look forward to - it's all in the future for you. Xx Best of luck and keep holding onto who you are. Sounds like you're doing a great job. Smile

PotatoWaffler · 23/07/2020 21:23

Honestly that is horrific and I would go so far as to say emotionally abusive. It is not normal, OP. Most mothers do not do this.

I would be completely honest with her and tell her what you've said in your OP. Write it down if she struggles to listen. She needs to know, and her reaction will tell you what you need to know.

At your height, and those sizes, you must still look very slim. Which makes her comments even more bizarre and disordered (though they wouldn't be acceptable even if you were much larger).

Charleyhorses · 23/07/2020 21:56

Love, it took me til 51 to realise the impact of my Mum on my self esteem and weight.
Now I correct her.
" I wasn't a day baby. I was perfectly normal"
"You really upset me with that comment"
"I'm really happy with my weight. I'm sorry you are not".

Mustardpot · 23/07/2020 22:16

You are doing great, you come across as really smart and kind. Your mum for whatever reason has a very unhealthy outlook, poor judgement and is unkind. I think you should carry on as you are but train yourself to put a wall up concerning your mums comments. I would see her less. Surround yourself with good people who make you laugh and treat you well. It’s not your fault your mum has unhealthy body issues. Trust your judgement and enjoy being 23. Maybe think about moving a bit further away from the negativity.

Emmagen · 23/07/2020 22:27

You are my ideal size! I'm sorry your mum can't see that you are healthy.

It's something I've seen before, though not to that extreme.

My Nan is a size 18ish. She has been that size my entire life and yet is fixated on everyone else's weight. We went shopping together with my mum once and she wanders over carrying a size 26 nighty and asking my mum "do you think this might fit you dear?" My mum was a size 16 at the time! She used to give me hand me down clothes when I was in my early 20s, I was roughly the size you are now and being given my Nan's size 18 cast offs and again she'd ask if I thought they might fit me Hmm I'm now closer to her size and she doesn't offer anymore. Instead she freaks out when I'm pregnant and refuses to believe that I have actually lost weight as I was throwing up for 2 months.

qwertykoala · 23/07/2020 22:28

@Wilkolampshade it's funny you should say that, my step mum always says that I'll be just fine if I keep on being myself - it means a lot coming from the objectivity of a stranger though, so thank you x

Also thanks @PotatoWaffler this is the first time I've actually asked anyone what they think of what's been going on, and I really appreciate the honesty Smile

@Charleyhorses - Like one of the PPs said, it's v difficult to accept that she'll never be the supportive, unconditional love type mother that everyone hopes for. I'll try to shut her down and make sure I don't turn out anything like her , thank you

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rvby · 23/07/2020 22:39

Yeah, she's just a horrible, probably stupid person unfortunately. There are loads of them about and many of them have daughters.

I'm sorry she is so vile to you. It really isnt acceptable the way she acts. You're never going to get it through to her, I suspect. It's one of those things where you've just got to call her out like a toddler being taught how to behave. "Mum, its dreadfully rude to say that, have you got anything else to talk about? Perhaps try weather. Mum, please dont talk about my body to other people, its bizarre and they're going to start thinking you have a screw loose. Mum, are you trying to be rude because it's just coming off as strange and antisocial, can you please pick a different topic to discuss? Mum, it sounds like you're very agitated about my body, can I suggest looking into getting a hobby?" And so on.

If she is someone who tries to control others by shaming them, you're probably best off shaming her to encourage a behaviour change.

My mother is a lifelong anorexic, she was more covert than your mum but it is terribly damaging. I'm really sorry for what she has put you through.

I occasionally fret about my DC weight (my mothers voice in my head etc) but I keep it to myself and remind myself I am being ridiculous. Your mum should be doing the same but for whatever reason, she doesn't have the will or skill to do so.

qwertykoala · 23/07/2020 22:44

Haha thank you @Mustardpot .. Kind yes, smart depends on how much wine I have or haven't consumed at the time - with wine I can tend to do ridiculous things like touching a log burner 'to see if it's hot' Grin Thankfully my dad, step-mum and partner's family are all very supportive. I'd really distance myself but she has mental health issues of her own (depression - no excuse for any of her behaviour!) and I'm an only child. She also has no partner and no real friends, meaning if I went no contact she really would have no one.. I don't know if I have it in me to do that just yet. Sad

@Emmagen funnily enough my Grandma does the same! Found some old clothes in the garage the other week and asked did I want them - they must've been at least 5 sizes too big! I took her shopping today & she spent the entire time picking apart my shopping basket and telling me how I mustn't eat too many 'sweet things'. Charming! Grin

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peardrops1 · 23/07/2020 22:56

Your mum sounds very damaging, with a whole host of issues. I have experienced something similar. A book I found really helpful for getting some perspective was 'Mothers Who Can't Love' by (I think) Susan Forward. I first saw it recommended on here.