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To feel as though I had an abortion forced on me

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Blakethecat · 21/07/2020 20:08

Hi all.
This could be a long one. I haven’t devoted a lot of headspace to this situation since it happened because I found it very traumatic and I feel as though I have unresolved scars.

So here it goes....

8 years ago I discovered I was pregnant following a huge bleed that wasn’t my period. For context, I was young then, 19 years old. I consulted my doctor who presumed this was a miscarriage and referred me for a scan to check that this was correct and that everything had left my body as it should have. I had an internal scan at the hospital where the consultant in that department and most experienced (as told by my doctor) confirmed that in fact she wasn’t sure if this was a miscarriage or not as there was a sac visible on the screen but she couldn’t see it in enough detail to confirm. She mentioned it could’ve just been that my body hadn’t got rid of everything and this was retained from where the embryo was. I was sent away and booked in for another scan in 10 days time to see if it had grown and in the meantime my bloods were taken on two occasions to check if my HCG levels increased which the midwife in the early pregnancy unit confirmed that they had in fact increased as expected in a normal pregnancy.
Anyway, I arrived after 10 days for my second scan and the same lady as before scanned me internally again and said the sac has in fact grown in size but not by the amount she would’ve expected it to in that time and that she couldn’t see anything on the screen to indicate this was a live and viable pregnancy. She pondered for a very long time over this and seemed totally confused but eventually decided this was not a growing foetus and was abnormal retention after the miscarriage. So a surgical procedure was booked in to get rid of it to stop infections etc. She printed pictures and gave them to me of the scan screen (for reasons unknown).
She informed me that she thought it could've been a molar pregnancy and asked if I would consent to the remaining product of my non viable/miscarried pregnancy to a lab to confirm this after the procedure and I agreed to this.
So I had the procedure and about a month after I received a phone call from my doctor explaining that I will be receiving a very ‘disturbing’ letter through the post that morning (she had been sent a copy and just opened it). She explained that the lab found that the pregnancy was in fact perfectly viable and was a ‘normal’ growing foetus. At the time I felt numb as if my choice of a pregnancy was stripped away from me and I basically had an abortion but unknowingly. I was young at the time and just accepted that this had happened but now I look back it angers me a lot actually. I remember how uncertain the lady scanning me was and it does disturb me that this decision was made based on a bunch, despite my HCG levels increasing and the fact that the sack had grown.
I have never spoken about this to family and friends other than to inform them what had happened as I was going through it but I think about this a lot and don’t feel as though I’ve healed.
Am I wrong in feeling so angry at what happened to me?

OP posts:
Smoothprocrastinator · 21/07/2020 20:23

I’m so so sorry you went through this. You have every right to be angry. I would be too Flowers

Have you spoken to anyone about it in a therapy setting? It might be worth looking into.
Flowers

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 21/07/2020 20:23

YANBU to be upset especially if you would have kept the baby. Whether it should have happened or not is difficult for people on the internet with no medical training to determine. Sometimes the information medical professionals have to go on is not as detailed as they would like and then, all they can go on is probabilities and beat advice on the knowledge that they do have. Is there any way you could access your old records to go through them with anyone?

Meredithgrey1 · 21/07/2020 20:23

No, I don't think you're unreasonable to be angry at all, that must have been truly awful. Sometimes it can take years for things to fully affect you, do you have anyone you can talk to about it now?
Of course, it sounds like an honest (but absolutely horrible) mistake on the doctor's part, but given the uncertainty and confusion you describe I think you'd be reasonable to be angry that nothing more was done to confirm the diagnosis before the procedure was carried out, such as another scan carried out by someone else for a second opinion.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/07/2020 20:30

That is awful.

I do think though that the language we use to describe things changes our emotional state. Forced abortion, that is a dreadful violent thing. Victim of a medical mistake feels different. I really think talking it through with a skilled professional might help you process this in a way that helps. Not totally of course because that's a terrible thing that happened. But maybe a little.

Take care Thanks

JaJaDingDong · 21/07/2020 20:38

I think you need to consider the outcome if it hadn't been a viable foetus, and the doctor hadn't removed it.
Sad though your story is, the alternative is worse.

Blakethecat · 21/07/2020 20:38

Thank you all so far.
I do understand that it would’ve been a mistake on the doctors behalf, I just feel when I look back a bit fobbed off by the process and I can’t help but feel if I was wiser at the time and asked more questions things would’ve worked out a different way. I haven’t discussed this in therapy, no. I may think about it as I know therapy does work. I had therapy for my PND (I now have a lovely 15 month old daughter).
Sometimes I try and think that if I had a baby back then I wouldn’t have my DD now and that does sometimes show me that life has a plan and I feel so incredibly grateful to have my daughter.
I just feel like it’s made me lose a lot of faith and I’m quite scarred by it.

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TheKidsGoneFeral · 21/07/2020 20:44

This happened in Brighton hospital a few years back.
The parents chose not to have a termination and the pregnancy ended up being a perfectly viable embryo.
It lead to a change in the way they dealt with supposedly non-viable pregnancies from there on out.

In other words, if you find the strength, speak to
The hospital. You can change peoples future.

TheKidsGoneFeral · 21/07/2020 20:45

That's not just 'mistake' that's an epic fuck up of huge proportions and should not be downplayed. anyone on here.

TheKidsGoneFeral · 21/07/2020 20:48

I think you need to consider the outcome if it hadn't been a viable foetus

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

That wouldn't have happened. So why make her think about it?

I went to Tesco yesterday, they accused me of stealing and they were wrong. It was the person in front of me that stole. But perhaps I should concentrate on how things would have turned out if it HAD been me that stole something and how bad my life would be if I got caught.

Or you know, not. Because that would be weird. Hmm

Blakethecat · 21/07/2020 20:50

@TheKidsGoneFeral
I often feel a sense of duty to get this looked in to. I wonder how it would feel if this happened to someone who could never have children again - that would be just unbearably painful. I think raising the issue may help.

What’s the deal with going through medical records, can I request a copy of them?

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TheKidsGoneFeral · 21/07/2020 20:53

Absolutely. I have done this. Not because of an issue but because of curiosity.

For what it's worth, I've experienced some Bad Stuff at hospital before too. And I guess I should have had some kind of moral push to complain and stop it happening to others. But truth me told I wasn't strong enough. And when I was, I simply didn't want to face it again because I was finally strong enough.

So it's absolutely ok not to want to drag it up again.
On the other hand it could be cathartic.

Watermelontea · 21/07/2020 21:03

I’m so very sorry. Flowers
I’ve had these scans in all three of my pregnancies, and now they give you one 10 days after growth of any kind if there is no pain, just in case at my hospital.

However with my second pregnancy ‘products’ were removed from my cervix and I told I was miscarrying again. I wasn’t told they were going to do anything but give me a quick swab, instead she snipped away at the ‘POC’ with little pliers, then the nurse handed me a fork to sign for mass cremation of the ‘remains’.
I had a scan the next day to see what was left, and DD was there just fine, I sobbed and sobbed. The Dr was reported by my MW, as it could have caused further complications and they shouldn’t have done anything without my consent, it shows that mistakes still happen to this day.

Nottherealslimshady · 21/07/2020 21:04

YANBU to be upset but I think you're unreasonable to use the phrase "forced abortion" you were advised an abortion based on a doctors opinion. She was wrong, she rang you to soften the blow of having to read it alone in a letter. She didn't do it because you were young and dumb. You'd had a big bleed, the sac hadn't grown as much as it should have done and she couldn't find signs of life, she decided the safest choice was to remove it to prevent a dangerous infection. She made a mistake, it happens, but she didn't force you, she advised you and you agreed. It's very sad and hard to come to terms with but not a forced abortion.

JaJaDingDong · 21/07/2020 21:04

Of course it could have happened. The doctor wasn't sure. If she'd decided to leave things to see if the pregnancy advanced, say because the OP asked her to, or just because that's the decision she made, and the pregnancy had been a mole or something else, it could have had serious consequences for the OP

JaJaDingDong · 21/07/2020 21:05

Of course it could have happened. The doctor wasn't sure. If she'd decided to leave things to see if the pregnancy advanced, say because the OP asked her to, or just because that's the decision she made, and the pregnancy had been a mole or something else, it could have had serious consequences for the OP

JaJaDingDong · 21/07/2020 21:05

Of course it could have happened. The doctor wasn't sure. If she'd decided to leave things to see if the pregnancy advanced, say because the OP asked her to, or just because that's the decision she made, and the pregnancy had been a mole or something else, it could have had serious consequences for the OP

JaJaDingDong · 21/07/2020 21:06

Sorry for 3 posts. The app told my my post had failed.

ComputersaysRAVE · 21/07/2020 21:36

Just because they're medical professionals doesn't mean they won't ever make mistakes or need to update research/ treatments.

This must be extremely upsetting for you but unfortunately human error does occur and it is sometimes at the expense of patients .

I would speak about it in therapy and see if you can look to come to terms with it further and if youre ready maybe speak to the hospital and discuss it further see if anything has changed in protocol since and if youre happy with that

Treaclepie19 · 21/07/2020 22:28

I'm so sorry this happened to you Flowers
You have every right to feel however you do.

user67864 · 21/07/2020 22:35

YANBU that is utterly horrific. I'm very sorry this happened to you and I agree you need to speak to someone about this.

user1294625849274 · 21/07/2020 22:37

It is not your job to try and "fix" the system. It's ok to just focus on healing yourself.

The NHS is a beast to go up against and not interested in learning from its mistakes. It is aggressive in defending itself. No matter how egregious their mistake, or how well evidenced it is. They do not behave ethically or decently about medical failings or complaints. If you go down that path you need to know they won't listen to you and investigate fairly. They protect their own.

It could really harm you - not just being put through the wringer by them on your own account but to go into it wanting to help others and still not be able to effect change there either could be devastating - and I think you have suffered more than enough already.

Ellisandra · 21/07/2020 22:38

I am really sorry that this happened to you Flowers

Did they explain much about molar pregnancies at the time? There is a risk to leaving them. Understanding that may help you to understand why a “watch and wait” approach might not have been advised further than it was.

That doesn’t negate your right to feel angry, to grieve, to ask for answers. But it you may find it helps if the reason for the advice wasn’t gung ho impatience.

You could speak to PALS at the hospital about a debrief... but I think I would start with therapy. I’m sorry Flowers

Dozer · 21/07/2020 22:44

Do you mean that the embryo was tested for any (known) genetic abnormalities and found not to have any?

I’ve had those tests after mc. It doesn’t necessarily mean a pregnancy was viable, as lots of miscarriages or ‘molar’ pregnancies are not due to genetic issues.

rosiejaune · 21/07/2020 23:50

@TheKidsGoneFeral

I think you need to consider the outcome if it hadn't been a viable foetus

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

That wouldn't have happened. So why make her think about it?

I went to Tesco yesterday, they accused me of stealing and they were wrong. It was the person in front of me that stole. But perhaps I should concentrate on how things would have turned out if it HAD been me that stole something and how bad my life would be if I got caught.

Or you know, not. Because that would be weird. Hmm

I think the poster's point was that the doctor didn't know it wasn't retained products at the time, and if that had been left, it could have caused a fatal infection.

Yes, the doctor didn't seem sure, and if that was the case, she should have explained that to the OP so she could make an informed decision about whether to wait longer or not.

But if she made up her mind that it was in fact retained products, it would be irresponsible not to advise prompt further action.

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