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Did I screw the taxi driver over?!

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DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 19/07/2020 09:31

A taxi driver flipped out at me yesterday. Over £1.
And I'm feeling guilty and cross about it.

I took a taxi to the train station yesterday, called a particular company who are reliable and asked if they had a card machine or do I need to organise cash?

They said they have card machines so that's fine.

The guy who took me was lovely, but said he's lucky if he makes £20 a day now. He used to make £200-£300 a day.

2 hours later I call a taxi to take us home.
We get home, I ask how much and it's £12something.
I get my card out but he says the card machine isn't working. So I say I'll run upstairs and get some cash. I have £3 in my wallet and a £10 upstairs.
I went to say "don't worry about the change" and
he then says it was £14something.

I was like, whaaaaat? He charged me for the time him and I took the bags out the boot, and for the matter or minutes it took me to run upstairs and grab the £10.

I said no sorry, I was ready to pay with my card. I'm not being charged extra while I ran upstairs and got cash, it was his card machine that was broken after all.

He starts shouting fuck you! Fuck you! You screwed me over, over £1.

I was thinking is this really happening?! He's shouting at me as he's driving away.

Now I'm thinking about what that guy said about only making £20 a day.

I feel like one of us was an arsehole and I'm not sure how it is.

Are taxi drivers furloughed??? Are things so desperate he's shouting at customers over a quid? I'm worried he flipped out because life is shit and he has no bloody food for his kids or something?!

Am I over thinking this?!

OP posts:
diddl · 19/07/2020 12:06

I'm surprised that people are making excuses for him.

He wasn't doing the Op a favour at great inconvenience to himself!

He was at work!

The fault was on his/his company's side yet he blamed the Op & swore at her.

Lucky she had cash in the house!

MitziK · 19/07/2020 12:07

Licensing authorities have strict rules of conduct. He broke them.

I think he should be reported and the cab drivers I have known (lots of them at one time, thanks to the then boyfriend) would agree with that, as it reflects upon them. Even the biggest arseholes I knew, the sort who met all the criteria for stereotypes and kept things like steering locks by them for what they said was 'self defence' (they all had stories of attempted robberies, runners and situations where they'd had to get themselves out of dangerous situations, not just the ones who claimed this), wouldn't have anything to do with abusing a lone woman for a pound - or an entire fare.

thevassal · 19/07/2020 12:08

@reesewithoutaspoon

Taxis charge for time and mileage. The clock would have remained on while you went and got the cash. because time he is waiting for you is time that hes not doing another job. Its not your fault the machine wasnt working especially if you specifically asked for card machine. Maybe he should have stopped the clock when you arrived as a compromise. He was wrong to be abusive, but he also lost money because the card machine wasnt working
But this isn't how taxis work Confused. They do stop the clock as soon as you arrive, or at least every taxi I've ever been in has, as your arrival marks the end of your journey and therefore time to announce the fare. It's not some bizarre competition whereby the driver shouts out the amount to date and then the passenger rushes to pay it as quickly as possibly while the time stays on, so if you have cash in hand you can shove it at him and get away with only a 10p hike whereas the old lady fumbling in her purse has to pay an extra 90p once she's counted up all her change, or the drunken young lads trying to work the amount out pay an extra two quid cos they've been faffing so much, all the time with the added fun bonus of trying to guess the additional amount otherwise the game continues!

It's journey ended: amount quoted: same amount paid. If it takes a minute to get the money together you don't pay a timeliness tax!

By your reckoning if you'd removed the card element completely but OP had just accidentally dropped her purse or something and had to pick up her money in the dark, driver still would have been fine to charge her the extra quid?

I also wanted to quote the poster who said the driver probably wouldn't have been so aggressive and attempt to shame you if you'd been a big 6'4 male but you can't do two quotes!

HouchinBawbags · 19/07/2020 12:10

@slipperywhensparticus

Call the company tell them what happened ask them if your going to be blacklisted due to there malfunctioning equipment because you can bet he will tell them a different story
^^ This

His card machine was probably working just fine but wanted cash. He may make up any story to his office though about you. If I owned a taxi or any other kind of firm I would want to know if my staff and/or representatives were swearing and shouting at customers.

DishRanAwayWithTheSpoon · 19/07/2020 12:13

I think you absolutely should complain

He was trying to intimidate you into paying, its absolutely not acceptable to shout and swear at your customers. He will continue to be aggressive and behave like this if no one ever pulls him up on his behaviour

His fault the card machine wasnt working

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/07/2020 12:27

You did nothing wrong, OP. I don't care how much a taxi driver wants cash, if they'd said though at the outset then fair enough but you asked for a card machine and that was not working - after the fact.

I wouldn't be wanting to be picked up by that particular driver again.

unlikelytobe · 19/07/2020 12:30

Speak to the manager/owner of the taxi business about this. You don't have to complain as such but make it known how the driver behaved and that it's not acceptable for you to be blacklisted if indeed that's the case (unlikely!). Also, avoid him in future - is it possible to book a taxi and state any driver but Mr X?

He has no right to get abusive with you. A nicer person would have just shrugged and accepted your £13 as it's not your fault the card machine doesn't work (suspicious!).

mothertruck3r · 19/07/2020 12:31

I wouldn't worry about it. He will be getting a nice helping of benefits to subsidise his income. He can't just suddenly charge you an extra £1 because he feels like it.

Wheresthebeach · 19/07/2020 12:32

You did nothing wrong. He told you the price, you went to get the money. Were you suppose to run upstairs again, estimate the amount of extra time and bring down £20 to cover all eventualities? I'd phone to complain about the busted machine, and express disappointment that the driver was so angry about it all and ask that he not be sent to your house again. No excuse for his behaviour.

Di11y · 19/07/2020 12:37

I wonder what would have happened if you'd told him you had no cash as they are supposed to accept cards.

I think he was really cheeky to charge extra while waiting for you over his issue. To they yell at you is unacceptable and I'd mention it to the office to ensure you're not blacklisted.

NCforthisMarch · 19/07/2020 12:47

Taxi driver was in the wrong and you should let company know..

Re: ‘education’ about what self employed people are entitled to - it can be very little.

Those who previously earned 50k + self employed get nothing at all.

This might seem a lot to some people but if you consider that’s actually £3,160 take home a month, and rent/mortgage on a very modest home (2 bed flat/3 bed house in modest parts of London) would be eg 1300-1800 a month typically leaving eg £400 a week for all bills/food/possibly running a car/kids expenses it’s not ‘rich’ people who are getting hit but lots of pretty normal people eg music teachers, health care workers, freelancers in lots of industries- and also these are NOT all people who would have been able to not declare income and so would be running through savings fast.

I’m not self employed but might have to be in future as ageism makes it harder to get a job if I lose the one I have. The current system is a real kick in the teeth after paying taxes all your working life, and doesn’t take any account of cost of living differences across the country

user1471466920 · 19/07/2020 12:48

You are not in the wrong at all. He should ensure the card machine is working, and if it wasn’t, he should have let the company know immediately so they could inform customers it’s cash only in his particular taxi. I was in a taxi the other night and the driver said he was happy with the self employment grant but many of his colleagues were complaining but it’s because they aren’t paying tax on their “real” income and it’s come back to bite. I’m aware some people have not been self employed long enough to get the grant or won’t have received it if their earnings were over £50000. However there are others who have only received a small amount due to hiding earnings and it’s very likely your taxi driver falls into that category going by his entitled attitude.

Binglebong · 19/07/2020 12:48

I'd ask the company to check the footage as well so they can see you offering a card. Hopefully it will show the price going up and his abuse too (do they have sound?)

Kazzyhoward · 19/07/2020 13:14

Not everyone is entitled to the self employment help and not everyone is entitled to uc

3 million self employed/small businesses have fallen through the cracks. And no, before the usual cries of "tax avoiders" etc - even those who've declared every single penny of income can still find themselves falling through the cracks for several reasons, such as only starting s/e last year, being s/e alongside a part time job or pension, making a tax loss due to purchase of equipment (or a taxi), etc etc.

Thelnebriati · 19/07/2020 13:16

He is putting his customers under pressure, telling them how little he earns, demanding cash and being aggressive. Talk to the company. What he is doing is how con artists operate. If he isn't a con artist he shouldn't act like one.

U2HasTheEdge · 19/07/2020 13:25

I would report him.

There are no excuses. Lots of people are stressed right now and struggling to make ends meet. It doesn't excuse his behaviour and we should never just suck up being verbally abused because someone might be having a tough time.

He should have told you that he was keeping the timer running whilst you were getting money so you could bring more out. Not that I have ever had a taxi driver do that before, but if that is how you work then explain that.

Please don't let this man get away with his agressive behaviour just because he likely has money difficulties. Fuck that. He wouldn't have spoke to you like that if a man I am sure, and no way in hell would I be willing to let that behaviour pass.

VeganVeal · 19/07/2020 13:26

I sounds like he has MH or money issues, this just tipped him over, hope he is all right

U2HasTheEdge · 19/07/2020 13:32

@Bluntness100

He was out of line but I’d suspect he’s got it tough right now so phoning to complain is just shitty and making his life worse. So I’m glad you’re not taking that suggestion.

I’d assume he was desperate op

It is not shitty to complain. He was aggressive and if he didn't want a complaint he should have thought about that before running his mouth and putting his job further at risk. I am not buying he is this poor desperate man for a minute, he's a bully.
lanthanum · 19/07/2020 13:33

Ring the company, say "I'm terribly sorry, but my driver's card machine was broken last night; fortunately I was able to nip into my house and grab enough cash, but the extra time that took put the fare up above what I had cash for. Would you like me to pay the extra £1 over the phone now?"

The chances are they'll say "please don't worry about it", and if not, the £1 will probably ensure you're not blacklisted.
And if he was lying about the card machine, they'll presumably have words with him...

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 19/07/2020 13:42

I agree with thevassal

I always understood the idea of charging for waiting as a mechanism to allow for people who legitimately want a round trip with the driver waiting for them whilst they go into a shop, collect a parcel, check in on a relative etc; and that it's also a function whereby deliberate timewasters or very selfish and/or disorganised people ("I'm not quite ready - I'll be out in 10 minutes 20 seconds") can't end up costing the driver a lot in dead time.

You factor in a short time at the beginning and end of the fare for payment, grabbing bags, brief admin etc. in the overall fee, the same as a restaurant sets the price of their food and drinks to also take account of the cost of buying furniture and crockery and providing toilets and car parking etc.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 19/07/2020 13:48

Ring the company, say "I'm terribly sorry, but my driver's card machine was broken last night; fortunately I was able to nip into my house and grab enough cash, but the extra time that took put the fare up above what I had cash for. Would you like me to pay the extra £1 over the phone now?"

Why on earth would you apologise profusely for his machine not working (whether that was true or not)? That's serious doormat territory.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/07/2020 13:57

I find it absolutely disgraceful that some posters are falling over themselves to 'woman-splain' and excuse this man's aggressive behaviour to the OP. They'd never do that to a man either but as usual, 'women, be nice!' comes into the fore.

Stop being pathetic and treat the OP as a person who has had to put up with aggressive behaviour. OP is worrying about being 'blacklisted', because of this twat who shouldn't be working with the public at all. How about supporting her instead?

keepingbees · 19/07/2020 14:03

Yanbu!

Firstly why should you be penalised because HIS card machine wasn't working. Which he also should have pointed out before the journey, if you'd had no cash in the house you'd have been screwed.

Secondly, how dare he speak to a customer like that. There's no excuse no matter what his situation, and if he's in financial difficulty then that's all the more reason he should be looking after his customers right now! You wouldn't expect to be spoken to like that from any other service you're paying for and he's no different.

excuseforfights · 19/07/2020 14:06

YANBU. He wouldn’t have done it to a man.

Was it the same taxi firm?

sergeilavrov · 19/07/2020 14:08

My dad is a taxi driver, so I hope I can answer some questions.

No, there was no furlough. Many got into debt just to meet basic living costs like rent and food as it took a while for the self employment payment to come through. Equally, no sick pay or time off etc. and unlike a more standard form of self employment, the revenue is usually too little to set money aside.

The card machines used in taxis are notoriously difficult, often breaking, and customers lash out at taxi drivers. Some companies also take the processing fee from the taxi driver, and it takes 2 weeks for card paid fares to get to the driver. It means if that was his only trip, he essentially didn’t earn anything while it cost him fuel and time. The card machine belongs to the company you booked with, not him, and he pays them to have it in his car. The company know that they rarely work properly, and don’t care. That is not his responsibility, and taxi drivers are constantly complaining but nothing gets fixed.

Technically, he was correct to keep the meter running for waiting time. He had no way of knowing if you’d be 10 seconds or 20 minutes, and his compensation stops the second he clicks it as complete. His time is literally his money, though most drivers won’t do this. Given the huge hit taxi drivers have taken financially, I think more drivers will have to do this as they can’t justify the time. In the same way customers can choose to tip or not, it’s down to your discretion. Customers that likely won’t tip probably won’t get the kinder end of a taxi driver’s discretion at the moment.

Yes, firms will blacklist customer addresses. Firms can also make sure he doesn’t have to go to your address in the future, or put a note out saying it’s a difficult customer such that the driver knows to expect problems. You can, when you phone up, request not to have a particular driver too.

Taxi drivers don’t set their prices or factor in anything, those are set by the local authority. In my dad’s case, fare prices haven’t gone up since 2008 while everything else has.

All taxi drivers want to talk about how business is going, it’s the main thing on their mind. It doesn’t mean they’re trying to con you, they just want to chat and if you don’t offer a subject, they pick one. I wish people would not assume taxi drivers are there to con people, it’s a really difficult perception and quite hurtful.

He was wrong to shout at you. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.

Let’s all try and give people a bit of breathing space right now though, things are difficult and tensions are high. He will probably have been mortified ten minutes later, but in the moment just became overwhelmed with how much financial pressure there is and nothing to fall back on.

The vast majority of taxi drivers are good, honest and hard working people. My dad regularly takes old people home for free if he sees them struggling, takes one customers dog for a walk twice a day free of charge as she struggles with mobility, puts away people’s shopping, and volunteered to deliver things to those with coronavirus while he was unable to work despite his lung condition. He deserves every bit as much respect as anyone else, but (and I’m not saying you’re doing this) gets looked down on so much for his profession.

If you can, please treat taxi drivers kindly, assume good motives, and tip where possible. Things are so difficult for so many right now, and those of us who are financially privileged have a lot of power to do good.