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To relocate to Dubai before September?

48 replies

ShouldIGoShouldIStay · 16/07/2020 19:23

Please help me figure out what to think/ decide. Is it a good time to relocate to Dubai before September with two small DC? DH wants to but I am not liking the idea because of the current pandemic and the economic uncertainty. I would love to hear from any Brits currently living there. Thanks!

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safariboot · 16/07/2020 22:53

I would think twice before moving to a country where being a rape victim is effectively a crime.

KitchenConfidential · 16/07/2020 22:54

There are plenty of articles if you google it at the moment but expats in UAE are not having a good time of it right now. I would definitely not be considering a move out there right now.
uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-emirates-jobs/goodbye-dubai-photographer-captures-laid-off-expat-families-as-they-leave-idUKKBN24120T

Mrbigb · 17/07/2020 07:39

PS just out of curiosity, have you ever actually been to the UAE?‘

and given the opportunity to live there at companies expense but given what I knew about Dubai, turned it down. It somewhere I wanted my children to be raised. Interestingly most of my colleagues agreed, including quite a few from the ME.

Mrbigb · 17/07/2020 07:40

Not somewhere I wanted my children raised .

19lottie82 · 17/07/2020 12:31

Mrbigb, so that’s a no then?

sergeilavrov · 17/07/2020 13:13

The UAE government has made huge strides over the last decade to improve human rights. Like with all laws, there are unscrupulous individuals seeking to find loopholes. They use loopholes to abuse workers, and the government is continually designing and implementing legislation to close them. As someone who has visited worker accommodation on many occasions, and my DH volunteers his time as an independent inspector, we know that the vast majority of workers are treated with respect. If those of you who doubt this are ever interested, it is possible to visit worker accommodation as part of voluntary work during and beyond the Year of Tolerance. People run Zumba classes, teach dancing, Art, run sports clubs. Just DM me.

In terms of the widespread belief about being raped, it’s important to recognise that many countries got it wrong for years. Thankfully, the UAE no longer prosecutes survivors, as this responsibility has been moved to the non sharia courts. If you follow The National, you will note that they are no longer talking about prosecutions. This is a controversial change given the delicate balance between the religious and political authorities, and so there is no bold announcement. I think we can all agree, however, that this is a great step forward.

As for whether everyone is leaving, bear in mind that on FB groups - there is a selection bias around posting. People not struggling or leaving don’t need advice, or need to say goodbye. Dubai has largely opened up again, and there have been lots of cash injections into the economy from the government. If a company is carrying through with the hiring process and moving your DH, then I wouldn’t be worried.

Trailing spouse is a thing to consider - my DH was a trailing husband, and worked at home for a US based company until they set up their UAE base. Divorces here are very much in the favour of the woman. Your DH has a responsibility to pay for housing, education, living costs. If he doesn’t, he would go to jail until he pays up. There are also changes in the visa system to allow divorcees to seek work more easily. The British Embassy are very helpful in these situations too, as are a plethora of lawyers who specialize in such cases.

Aweebawbee · 17/07/2020 16:25

I think it's important to know what business your DH is in. Some sectors have tanked in the Middle East and some are thriving (like anywhere else).
Unlike other countries, when the economy contracts, people are forced to leave, so they not only lose their jobs, but also their homes, schools, friends etc. However, the pandemic has been handled well, both in terms of health and also economic stimulus packages, so things should recover quite quickly.
For relocating DCs, the schooling should not be a problem because people are leaving and rents are also coming down.

MidnightCitrus · 17/07/2020 16:30

Depends why you are going there? what is the job you are going for?

my friend who has been there many years (poss 10) husband has lost his job and they have to leave within 60 days

FeelTheRush · 17/07/2020 16:35

Has he actually got a job offer in Dubai?

Watermama · 17/07/2020 16:50

We lived in Dubai for a few years, came home recently, I have no regrets we enjoyed our time there and managed to save a lot of money in a relatively short period of time by living well within our means and not keeping up with the jones.
That being said I'm not sure if I would go out there now, job turn over is high at the best of times in the UAE but right now there is a lot of job loss. Many of the Expats we knew have returned to their home counties over the last two years even people who had been out there for close to a decade.

If I were your DH I would stay in Serviced accommodation and not commit to a lease until he's sure about the job and relocating.

I'm regards to the heat by September the worst of it is over you do adapt to the heat but do think about the cost of you and the kids spending a large part of the Summer in the UK.

Watermama · 17/07/2020 16:51

I should add rent is significantly cheaper now that even just 5 years ago. Apartments are pretty spacious too.

Watermama · 17/07/2020 16:54

@MidnightCitrus you don't technically have to leave within 60 days you just have to renew your visa this is easily done (and legal) by doing a Oman Border run. Takes 4-6 hours maximum depending on which direction you go.

MidnightCitrus · 17/07/2020 17:22

@Watermama I dont know, as dont want to pry too deeply, its a shitty time for them

ShouldIGoShouldIStay · 18/07/2020 12:43

Thanks a lot for your informative posts. Very interesting to see different/ contrasting perspectives.

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ShouldIGoShouldIStay · 18/07/2020 12:45

I'll take into consideration everything before deciding as it is 50/50 now.
Thanks!

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Loveinatimeofcovid · 18/07/2020 12:51

I would imagine the situation is slightly different between Dubai and Heathrow but check what flights are like at the moment. We’re overseas and getting to London isn’t exactly straightforward, certainly not like it was anyway.

LuckyLinky · 18/07/2020 12:58

It would depend on the age of the kids. If school age it would be a no from me. I've never lived there but we've had lots of returning expats from Dubai at our school and every single one has said the standard of schooling was an issue. But the biggest issue was that the kids had very much so absorbed the idea that boys are worth more than girls. The last one who joined our school said her son had started to push his sister back when going through doors and the little girl had accepted it. She wasn't best pleased once she could see how much the kids had been affected. If you have tiny kids and will only be there two years or so then fine.

jennymac31 · 18/07/2020 13:12

OP - It would be good to know whether your husband has a job lined up and in what area of employment it's in?
My brother has been working over in Dubai for the last couple of years (teacher at a private school) but his contract was not renewed and his department was effectively shut down as there was no guarantee that students will be returning in the academic year (many of their parents work for Emirates and have been made redundant). He's hoping he might be able to get work as a contractor but it's not looking promising especially as more redundancies/job losses are expected across a number of industries in Dubai over the next couple of months.

heartsonacake · 18/07/2020 13:23

What’s the reason for the move?

Spinnyspiney · 18/07/2020 18:47

There’s not enough money in the world would make me live there with it’s Unofficial hierarchy off white expats and locals at the top and other nations ‘serving’ them in often appalling conditions. It’s like the old colonial days when Brits went off to India to lord it around and seek their fortune.
The only people I knew who went to live there had pretty shitty moral compasses IMHO - all about the money and the fact they could have servants, drivers and nannies that they would never have had in the U.K.

JessicaPeach · 18/07/2020 20:28

@Spinnyspiney

There’s not enough money in the world would make me live there with it’s Unofficial hierarchy off white expats and locals at the top and other nations ‘serving’ them in often appalling conditions. It’s like the old colonial days when Brits went off to India to lord it around and seek their fortune. The only people I knew who went to live there had pretty shitty moral compasses IMHO - all about the money and the fact they could have servants, drivers and nannies that they would never have had in the U.K.
This absolutely sums it up for me. It was fine for us short term on a uk contract but there is something really disgusting about the whole place. I can see how people who have been there a long time dont see it but I found it very offputting. There are so many expats who are struggling financially really but staying for the prestige and being able to have a maid etc. My husband wasn't keen on a permanent move but I'm a bit more mercenary and would have done it if the money had set us up for life in the uk after a couple of years. Contracts like that are few and far between these days now though.
GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/07/2020 20:57

It will be blisteringly hot in August - hard to imagine that sort of heat unless you’ve lived with it.

Just saying.

Frangipaniflower · 18/07/2020 21:04

I would wait until January as a move anywhere at the moment will be difficult and jobs are not secure. However, rents have dropped and there are plenty of school places in UK curriculum schools.

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