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To worry there is a serious mental health crisis amongst conspiracy theorists?

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BlooperReel · 15/07/2020 08:18

Maybe it's because I've been online more now due to lockdown, but conspiracy theories seem to have really ramped up, people I know are now peddling some of this nonsense. Adrenochrome, pizzagate, 5G etc all seem to have sucked in people I'd assumed were rational people, and they are almost rabid about it and wil not hear any other viewpoint.

A bbc documentary called Viral - the 5g conspiracy theory interviewed some individuals who quite clearly need help.

I've seen the likes of Bill Gates, Chrissy teigen, Ellen DeGeneres and others get so much appalling abuse on social media over these theories and I can only think that the people who wholeheartedly believe this stuff must have psychological issues, the levels of paranoia are truly astounding. Is this an emerging mental health crisis?

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poppydull · 15/07/2020 10:04

Many people would say the reptile elite theory is bonkers (I agree) but plenty question JFKs assassination or 9/11, are they all equally "mentally ill"?

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 15/07/2020 10:07

I'm not sure that simply the belief in something unproven can make you a conspiracy nut. In that case everyone who is religious fits that category.

I do think there's a link with education though. Simply in the sense that as a society we don't seem to be as capable as critical analysis as we perhaps once where? I'm sure I remember reading that the critical analysis bit of the GCSE English had been taken out? Add to this people's wariness of "fake news" and the reluctance to understand science (see the trans debate) I'm sure like most things there's a myriad of factors.

Destroyedpeople · 15/07/2020 10:07

@JeSuisPoulet...what utter rot.
The brain and body are literally full of cannabinoid receptors. ...

Orangeblossom78 · 15/07/2020 10:10

After reading the BBC article above I did wonder, could China have unleashed this either by accident or on purpose? it seems they have a visa which they changed names, oddly, which is very similar.

But then why would they do that when it would kill many Chinese people also? It doesn't make sense really. Unless they felt more able to manage and control it perhaps. I try not to dwell on this through as it is quite disturbing.

Orangeblossom78 · 15/07/2020 10:11

virus, not visa

longwayoff · 15/07/2020 10:14

Some of these beliefs will have a basis in truth, others not. What surprises me is that it appears that once you've embraced one as a possibility, all the other rubbish is automatically given credence. That's extremely dangerous. Reality being rewritten in front of us. Trump has a lot to answer for. He's barely begun.

Youhavesomethinginyourteeth · 15/07/2020 10:14

@Morana23 well said

diplodocusinermine · 15/07/2020 10:23

Everyone knew cigarettes were dangerous from at least the 1940s. Woodbines weren't known as 'coffin nails' for nothing.....

Baluchistan95 · 15/07/2020 10:42

I agree. More than twenty years later, my next door neighbour still insists Princess Diana was murdered instead of the tragic accident that it was. Utterly bonkers!!

gamerchick · 15/07/2020 10:49

What surprises me is that it appears that once you've embraced one as a possibility, all the other rubbish is automatically given credence

Like the whole virus thing being a ruse to keep everyone in so 'they' can change the batteries in the birds ready for the 5g take over of our minds, that the chem trails have been preparing us for?

Destroyedpeople · 15/07/2020 10:52

@Baluchistan95...utterly 'bonkers! 'Grin

Doyoumind · 15/07/2020 10:55

I can only talk about my experience with one conspiracy theorist. I think he found a community he could be part of and that gave him 'knowledge' that he felt gave him some superiority and an air of intelligence when talking to other people. To me it has the opposite effect, but not in his mindset. The superiority is definitely a thing - always being the expert. He doesn't suffer from mental health issues as such but I think there are self esteem and control issues.

PhilSwagielka · 15/07/2020 11:10

I think some of them are genuinely mentally ill, but not always (and I'm mentally ill and I hate conspiracy shit, especially as quite a bit of it is anti-Semitic). Sometimes it can be drugs. One of the guys from Space, as in the Female of the Species band, is a massive stoner and he's into conspiracy theories. And some people are just very, very stupid.

Destroyedpeople · 15/07/2020 11:12

Yes the idea of having some special knowledge and being above the herd is deffo a thing. Heroine addicts often think they are special too. Just an observation.

Destroyedpeople · 15/07/2020 11:13

And yes....There's always some anti Jewish thing going on....

OldQueen1969 · 15/07/2020 11:29

Very interesting thread.

I can come at this from a few angles because it is a topic that interests me greatly.

Over the weekend due to general boredom I did what they call a "deep dive" into the whole Wayfair thing - I scoured Youtube and a few of the better known conspiracy forums. When Pizzagate was a thing, I didn't look too closely because it seemed so bonkers, but the way the new one exploded had me intrigued. What I concluded is that in amongst the most outlandish dot joining, there is evidence of things that should, in my opinion be investigated - CSA is a thing and there is no reason to believe that rings don't exist at higher levels of society - in fact, it has been proven and people have been prosecuted - and cover-ups have been exposed. people with power and money can manipulate others - blackmail and threats have been used on police officers and other people who have tried to expose it all.

Sadly, all the theatrics around "The Illuminati" and "Satanism" encourage polarised views and this harms the children involved - as I said on another related thread, it's not beyond possibility that some unhinged perverts have used such subjects as a backdrop to their activities, but because we can't fathom doing something that awful, such accounts can be dismissed as fantasy - ergo, if the one thing is deemed false why should the other part of the accusation be given credibility?

It's a very fraught area.

Other posters have pointed out that the deeply religious are not generally regarded as mentally ill, yet hold beliefs in things that we feel are delusional.

I can tell you that paranoia during psychosis is most bizarre and very troubling, because when I was 42 I suffered a drug induced psychosis when my areshole ex spiked my tea with weed. I didn't do any sort of non-prescription drug then, and he did it because bizarrely, I had an adverse euphoric reaction to anti-depressants and instead of gently guiding me back to the GP when I started hugging trees and talking to squirrels he thought he'd "calm me down" himself. When I discovered what he'd done, it triggered a massive breakdown and I ended up sectioned for 28 days. We'd been married for 14 years, he was manipulative and controlling and I had experienced trauma in my life that had never been properly addressed. It was as though my brain was a filing cabinet and every memory, good and bad had been topped onto the floor and mixed up and then stuffed back in with a good dose of WTAF? My life was upturned entirely. It didn't help that although I had proof and he eventually admitted it, nothing was done - the police said it wasn't a crime unless he intended to poison me, the doctors just seemed to rush me into "Oh well, just move on and build a new life" etc ..... I could go on. I posted about this here once and was told that weed wouldn't have caused that - well no, it was years of cumulative stress, manipulation and the complete breakdown of trust and boundaries plus the lack of serious care from the people I reached out to. So, I agree that trauma is a factor. For the record, I am now 9 years on, have rebuilt my life and am unmedicated, and despite huge amounts of stress have not had a recurrence. I am lucky. This all sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theory written down but it is true.

On the back of that, I am hardwired to see patterns and join dots, which is why conspiracy theories interest me. Often there is a grain of truth at the core of them. Some people may well think that all those Youtube videos are "proof" and become paranoid - if it affects their ability to function then yes, it becomes a mental health issue, and a crisis if they are prompted to do things that may harm themselves or others. (I was sectioned because I developed a bit of a Messianic delusion and tried to walk on water. I was rescued by some lovely windsurfers and thank heavens I was - my ex still will not accept that his actions could have caused me to die, and many people he has spoken to believe I was "over-reacting" when I had literally lost my reason - go figure....)

However, there's a vast distance between that sort of behaviour and just becoming a bore about things like 5G....... the former is a mental health crisis, the latter is something that will likely be replaced by the next "cause du jour"...... socially it can be a real pain, but in the particular uncertain times we're living in it does seem to reflect the uncertainty and lack of control we seem to be experiencing and people do like certainty and security - strip them of that and psychologically people will look for answers even when there really aren't any concrete ones.

Those who have mentioned the loss of faith are right to a degree although that too has its pitfalls - most people used to pray and put their faith in a higher power. That's now seen and irrational and unscientific. But sometimes reason fails us and accepting that we just have to "keep calm and carry on" is harder for some than others. When our leaders seem to be all over the place, confirmation bias will lead even very rational people to wonder if there isn't something more sinister afoot - and there might be. That's the rub. Who would have thought that the US government would give people syphilis and dose them unwittingly with LSD in the name of research in the 60s and 70s? This is documented fact from official sources. Have we moved on from that? are powerful humans also always morally sound and behaving ethically?

My Dad is a nuclear test veteran. He is part of the class action trying to get compensation from the government because he has splenic lymphoma, a very rare cancer. The MOD have spent many millions fighting this despite the fact that every other nuclear power automatically compensates its sick nuclear veterans, and all they want is an apology for using them as guinea pigs without their consent and maybe some cash to make their lives easier. But they won't allow sensitive documents to be released that might imply negligence or deliberate intent to experiment on the veterans. That is a real conspiracy in my eyes - and also the veterans have been painted as mentally unstable for trying to prove a link between their rare illnesses and disorders and nuclear testing...... draw your own conclusions but this is well-documented.

So, sorry for the mahoosive post - it's a fine line to tread, all this, but saying that if you accuse people questioning official narratives of mental illness, you're playing straight into the dictatorship handbook.

Free speech and thought are vital - transparency and accurate reporting are also vital.

PasstheBucket89 · 15/07/2020 11:42

Its a difficult one, i do see some people on youtube spouting stuff who clearly are unstable and i know one or 2 ppl irl who are like this, and it is worrying. I don't agree that every one who takes an interest is a CT though, its natural to be curious about things around, you only really form well informed opinions by thinking of every angle and its common knowledge now that there is a lot of elite corruption, etc always another scandal of some sort,plus some people just watch because entertainment value 😁. The other side of the argument is, theres a lot of Adults who just have no ability to critically think at all, don't hold any of their own informed opinions and have to be told what to think, its one of the many reasons this country is in the mess its in so im not sure thats any better?.

IJustWantSomeBees · 15/07/2020 11:46

@Morana23

Couldn't agree with you more

blurpityblurp · 15/07/2020 11:55

Yes, I think there are a few things going on. A lot of conspiracy theories fixate on drawing links between very visible and superficial things. eg believers in the Wayfarer conspiracy believing the name coincidence is proof/suggestive, when many brands name products after girls' names and the list of missing children also contains tens of thousands of names, and it would be statistically almost impossible for there to be no crossover between the two.

"Tinhat" conspiracy theorists (super-fans of celebs who believe the celeb is in a secret relationship) will fixate on things like the celeb wearing a piece of clothing of a particular colour, but the colour is always something like blue which most people wear, it's never "if Celeb wears a hot pink skort with purple pinstripes it's a message." But once you've said "I've been told that Celeb is going to wear blue at some point to send us a message" then a month later he's papped wearing jeans, it becomes "proof." And not the simple fact that nearly everyone wears jeans at least sometimes.

In reality, even if child trafficking isn't being done, or even if a celeb is in a secret relationship, they are not going to be leaving "clues" online. Most things that people want to cover up are either properly covered up, or done openly using the law as an accomplice. And weirdly conspiracy theorists tend to ignore the really obvious stuff (like Prince Andrew staying in the house of a convicted pedophile) in favour of stuff like "once Andrew's hair blew up in a way that sort of looks like a devil horn" because they are more interested in being the person who was smart enough to be able to see the secret connections which the sheeple can't see, than really calling out abuse.

Also, people are drawn more to lurid TV movie-esque scenes (which is why conspiracy theories about middle class white children being snatched to order by strangers are so popular) and don't really care about the complex realities of oppression (the fact most trafficking victims are groomed into agreeing to get on a plane, and most are from extreme poverty).

Look at the way Virginia Giuffre has been treated. She's been attacked and smeared and people tried to downplay her experience on the grounds she was over 16, when she's literally the classic example of a sex trafficking victim: street homeless at 13, groomed into believing she was being offered a better life, wound up trapped and unable to escape from the horrendous dark parts of that new life. People act like she obviously wasn't a victim because she was given nice clothes and taken to fancy parties. Do they not know this is literally how grooming and trafficking works? I honestly think some people are so stupid they think sex trafficking is women walking along the street and suddenly they have a bag thrown over their head and wake up chained up in a basement.

HermioneMakepeace · 15/07/2020 12:08

@OldQueen1969 Interesting post. And actually weed CAN induce psychosis. I’ve seen it happen. Most people relax after smoking weed but a small percentage of people go the opposite and completely freak out. I have no idea why that is but it’s very interesting.

Lifeisgenerallyfun · 15/07/2020 12:29

I think it’s probably a culmination of several factors. There has been such a focus on the need for predictability, a lineal view of life, conformity. There have been decades of reducing the ability to apply critical thinking. People spend their time in pursuits which require little to no effort/thought. Persona is held above individuality.

All of a sudden we are in a situation where predictably has gone, no longer do old established actions result in the same reaction. Established thought processes no longer explain what is happening. People brought up to value consistently and predictability are suddenly thrown into the rough seas of change.

Throughout history people have sought explanations, likeminded individuals and leadership in times of uncertainty and change, leaders who offer explanations and cures to mend all the perceived ills.

People are searching for answers, conspiracy theories offer what people are looking for. A ready made “solution” to a perceived issue. It doesn’t require any effort.

whattimeisitrightnow · 15/07/2020 12:36

I really, really don’t think the majority of them ‘actually’ believe this stuff. There are a scant few, who have their own issues, but the majority are just desperate to appear different from the sheeple and like the attention/controversy it brings.

Lifeisgenerallyfun · 15/07/2020 12:36

Oh and I don’t think all “conspiracy theories” should just be dismissed out of hand, there’s some truth I suspect in some of them, each one needs to be critically analysed to reach your own conclusions about validity. It’s just as damaging to dismiss each one out oF hand than to unquestionably accept one and all. Balance needs to be struck.

longwayoff · 15/07/2020 12:55

Awful experience @OldQueen1969, I hope you remain well. The way in which veterans are treated in this country is, and always has been, an utter disgrace. I hope there will be a resolution in time for your father to know about it.

BlooperReel · 15/07/2020 13:13

That is horrific OldQueen1969 I'm so sorry you went through that. I think weed/drugs can play a part, there does seem to be a correlation between certain bekiefs or the willingness to believe in multiple CT and smoking weed, I think skunk in particular is very strong and has definitely changed the personality of one of the people I know are into all this.

@Lifeisgenerallyfun I agree there is often a nugget of truth in some of the more viral CT, the pizzagate thing for example mentions epstein, as does the adrenochrome (both interlinked) and he was clearly guilty of trafficking and abusing underage girls, the problem is then, that grain of truth seems to cement the whole CT for many poeple, and they buy into whole hog, no matter how bizarre or ridiculous.

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