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Why is Boris actively advising people to go against his own government’s official message?

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Ethelfleda · 11/07/2020 19:10

From PMQs:

“The prime minister also told the nation to go back to work, emphasising that the message to stay at home had outlived its usefulness and “people should try to lead their lives more normally”

From Govt website:

stay at home as much as possible
work from home if you can

So... are we expecting them to change the ‘stay alert’ message now??
Did he mean get back to work if furloughed or back to your place of work if you’ve been WFH?

I really wish the message was clearer Confused

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MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2020 07:55

Op where is your first quote from?

I’d like to know his exact words and to which question not sure if that exists. As it seems to be interpretation (unless from a transcript)

Anyway The top brass at Costa, Pret, Greggs, Subway etc are probably bending his ear. all that weight-inducing food plus lose weight message.

Companies who have invested in wfh will make their own decisions about what us best.

Mumratheevergiving · 13/07/2020 08:12

Also agree with Longwayoff. It’s massively concerning how No.10 is centralising it’s power & stamping down on others. There’s always been blame avoidance in politics but our Central Government now completely deny any responsibility and accountability. No-one expected them to get everything right in a pandemic but the instant re-writing of history and ‘move on’ agenda of this Government are frightening. Johnson being such a terrible communicator just makes the situation worse.

Thanks to the poster who described the Canadian situation, I find it fascinating how different countries are approaching this. We certainly need to be learning from each other at this time.

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2020 08:14

Also Pret boss might be talking to government but I doubt company in the City will factor sandwiches in their plans.

On R4 now report of big companies taking long term approach to going back.

ZombieLizzieBennet · 13/07/2020 08:23

Companies who have invested in wfh will make their own decisions about what us best.

Yes, I can't see anyone in business paying any attention to the government beyond what they can't avoid. Ie if you want your staff all back in the office then obviously that's on the government's timetable, but if you've already got everyone wfh and you've no pressing desire to make them all come back in for the sake of coming back in, politicians aren't going to factor into your commercial decision making.

MotherWol · 13/07/2020 17:34

The top brass at Costa, Pret, Greggs, Subway etc are probably bending his ear.

I really don’t think it’s this. If you’re WFH you may well still walk out for a coffee and sandwich at lunchtime. If anything, this could benefit high streets as people will be spending more time in their local area.

What feels far more likely is a) Boris doesn’t really believe people WFH are actually working and b) the institutional investors/property funds that own big office blocks in London are worried that corporate tenants will realise they don’t need large offices any more.

labyrinthloafer · 13/07/2020 18:04

@MotherWol agree about corporate landlords and offices. Big issue for pensions too I read?

ZombieLizzieBennet · 13/07/2020 19:18

I suppose he does know a fair amount about skiving...

Radioheadrestart · 13/07/2020 23:06

Didn’t Johnson say “fuck business” - he’s really got them hasn’t he - total charmer boy!

HannahStern · 13/07/2020 23:44

Johnson will say “fuck business” to push through brexit and further his career.

But when it is only lives at stake, business is sacrosanct and the show must go on.

everythingbackbutyou · 14/07/2020 01:54

@Goosefoot, I'm in BC, I think there is a little community spread but a big improvement on March, where I think my city had the first Canadian covid death

Goosefoot · 14/07/2020 03:00

[quote everythingbackbutyou]@Goosefoot, I'm in BC, I think there is a little community spread but a big improvement on March, where I think my city had the first Canadian covid death[/quote]
Overall things seem to have been handled alright across the country I think. Quebec had all those snowbirds returning, and I wonder how well they really isolated themselves, but for the most part even Ontario and Quebec's issues seem mostly bad luck rather than bad decision making.

longwayoff · 15/07/2020 22:37

And look now... Bozo and Cummings placeman, Chris Grayling, famous for incompetence, has not been elected to chair the national security committee as instructed, instead the Tory MPs under instruction voted for Julian Lewis instead. Who has just had the Tory whip withdrawn. Amazed there's still a bit of resistance in the party. Good.

Itsarattrap · 16/07/2020 09:53

Some bright spark at the Treasury has realised that if we all follow Govt. advice and work from home, public transport, sandwich shops, gyms and other providers who serve millions of office workers become untenable. It’s purely economy driven now.

PerkingFaintly · 16/07/2020 11:22

Yeah, No 10 is obviously really angry they didn't get Grayling in as the chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee.

What are they scared of?

PseudoBadger · 16/07/2020 11:28

They are scared of Intelligence and Scrutiny!

longwayoff · 16/07/2020 12:11

They are scared that they won't get the whole Brexit thing out of the way, on their dodgy terms, before Bozo gets (for you Ethelfleda Smile) defenestrated himself.

BankofNook · 16/07/2020 12:42

Defenestrated is one of my favourite words, I'm.sad there aren't more opportunities to say it in RL.

Of course, the gamble is on Covid being controlled by masks alone...

The gamble is also on people adhering to infection control measures alongside the use of masks as there is a reasonable probability that they'll view masks as a magic 'catch-all'.

"I've got a horrible chest cough but I'll be fine to no out so long as I wear a mask..."

"I have a really important meeting at work but DS is symptomatic, it'll be fine to go to the meeting so long as a I wear a mask..."

"We're short staffed, there's no way I can let you stay at home for two weeks self-isolating so you'll have to come in to work. Wear a mask, it'll be fine..."

BankofNook · 16/07/2020 12:43

*fine to go out

longwayoff · 16/07/2020 12:47

Come the revolution BankofNook, I'm hoping we can match the Defenestration of Prague at the HoC. Oh, the satisfaction.

Mumratheevergiving · 16/07/2020 12:49

What with all the dodgy untendered contracts this Government have been hurriedly issuing the more scrutiny they come under the better!! Our Central Government seem to be morphing into the mafia!Angry

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