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AIBU?

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to worry about my neighbours kids being left alone?

75 replies

aquata · 09/07/2020 11:49

So I'd like to preface this by just explaining that I'm one of those people who reads Mumsnet for the funnies and I don't have kids myself, but I decided to post this here because it's a thing that's been playing on my mind, especially over the last few days and my partner has told me it's not my business and I shouldn't stick my nose in, but I want to get some opinions from people who do have kids.

Just a few facts before I explain what I'm looking for advice on, or looking to be told if I'm being too nosy on. I live in a house that's converted into flats, my partner and I are the only childless couple that live here. The neighbour that lived here when we moved in has two kids, one is about 6 and the other is 4. The other neighbours got here a few months after we did and have a baby, they're not relevant really but I just wanted to point out that the only time these neighbours have ever spoken is over the four year old. The other neighbours are constantly complaining about him because he makes a lot of noise which did annoy my partner and I when we first moved in as well, but we've come to learn that he's actually autstic and his noises are just his way of stimming I guess? Either way we're used to it and it doesn't bother us in the slightest but the other neighbours think he should be quieter and voice this out of their upper window loudly when the little boy is in the garden so we all get to hear it.

When we first moved in, I noticed that Mrs Neighbour works most of the day and Mr Neighbour stays home with the kids and takes them to school, etc etc. I like running in the mornings and when we got settled in I decided I wanted to start again, so this is around eight months ago and I went out for a run one morning and noticed that Mr Neighbour was taking Mrs Neighbour to work in the car, but the kids were nowhere to be seen. Mentioned it to my partner later on that day and he said that because it was so early they probably just leave the kids to sleep, which didn't seem like a big deal to him, but I thought was a bit dangerous because obviously they're locked in their own flat when Mr drives Mrs to work and what if something happens? He said I was worrying too much and to mind my own business and to not antagonise the neighbours when we'd just moved in. This went on for the best part of about two weeks, Mr would be gone for about half an hour and then come back and take the kids to school. Then they got a second car or the second car came back from wherever it was and she took herself to and from work and so it didn't seem like an issue anymore.

It's come up again this week, the second car has been going and coming every day so I know Mrs is at work, or at least gone somewhere and I've been working split shifts due to work issues, so I've worked the mornings til lunchtime and come home for a bit and gone back in the late afternoon. When I'm leaving Mr is normally leaving too to pick his kids up from school and I go past them coming out on the bus. He's only been picking the older child up -- which means it really seems like he's leaving the younger, autistic one on his own while he does so. I know he's there, because I can hear him when I'm home and getting ready to go back to work and I don't hear anyone else come in the house so it doesn't seem like anyone is keeping an eye on him. The school is only about a ten minute walk from the house, but a lot can happen in ten minutes.

So AIBU for wondering if I should tell someone about this? Either our landlord or Child Protection or something because this is really weighing on my mind and worrying me quite a bit, or should I just leave it because they aren't my children and I shouldn't be nosy? For the past few days when I've seen this happening I've just been thinking about how much can happen in the time that kid is by himself and it makes me feel a bit sick because he's only 4 and it's scary to think that something could happen. My partner pointed out the first time we noticed it happening that the kids aren't alone because we're in the flat at that time and so are the other neighbours but that doesn't make sense to me, as obviously none of us have access to THEIR flat if something did happen.

Ugh, kudos if you read that but help a girl out here.

OP posts:
jackdawdawn · 09/07/2020 12:41

No you are not being unreasonable or making a mountain out of a molehill. No 4yo should be left alone in a house, never mind one with special needs.

I have an autistic 13 yo, and I am still wary of leaving him. Five minutes across the road to the corner shop would be about my limit, but he wouldn't be safe for a long period.

pasteldechocolateconchispa · 09/07/2020 12:42

If you report it and it’s innocent then no harm done.

Safeguarding is everyone’s business.

SlightyJaded · 09/07/2020 12:44

That's the right decision OP. There is no way that this is ok and even if nothing 'happens', it will be very unsettling and frightening for a four year old to be left alone. Please don't waiver and well done.

Elvesdontdomagic · 09/07/2020 12:51

I have a 5 and 4 year old and both autistic and this is shocking. 2 things-why haven't you just asked them who's looking after the kids? also, could you offer to do it if you're home for short periods?

I would defo speak to the parents before phoning anyone!!! You don't know anything for certain and it's a simple question. If it was me I'd be really miffed to be reported without someone having the guts to ask first. If they are being watched by someone else the parents will still have a traumatic meeting with SS. It's hard being a carer of special needs, please just ask first! If you're not satisfied with their answer call them immediately as the kids aren't safe at all alone.

Elvesdontdomagic · 09/07/2020 12:52

Honestly I had palpitations reading this. I have autistic twins a similar age. I struggle to even leave them downstairs while I run for a wee

Same, my 5yo DD is 1:1 even at home!

BrieAndChilli · 09/07/2020 12:56

I would report it.
When I was 4 we used to be left alone In our flat (I was the eldest) one day something in front of the fire caught on fire. I took my sisters to the neighbour, we were lucky it wasn’t worse. Anyway we were taken into care so it’s definitely something for social services would be interested in.

aquata · 09/07/2020 12:57

@Elvesdontdomagic

I have a 5 and 4 year old and both autistic and this is shocking. 2 things-why haven't you just asked them who's looking after the kids? also, could you offer to do it if you're home for short periods?

I would defo speak to the parents before phoning anyone!!! You don't know anything for certain and it's a simple question. If it was me I'd be really miffed to be reported without someone having the guts to ask first. If they are being watched by someone else the parents will still have a traumatic meeting with SS. It's hard being a carer of special needs, please just ask first! If you're not satisfied with their answer call them immediately as the kids aren't safe at all alone.

I don't have a good excuse for not asking them, I'm just a very shy, non-confrontational person and the fact that both neighbours get into arguments just makes me want to keep my distance. I would be down for keeping an eye on their kids if they were ever to ask though.
OP posts:
TokyoSushi · 09/07/2020 13:03

OP, you sound really lovely, you're definitely doing the right thing by reporting.

JamesZebra · 09/07/2020 13:04

i would call the older childs school- they could report it for you and then you don't have to worry about getting caught up in the crossfire.

Gunpowder · 09/07/2020 13:06

Flowers BrieandChill that must have been scary.

Doingmybest4u · 09/07/2020 13:12

YANBU, but I agree with Elvesdontdomagicnre re talking to them first, it will be a hugely awkward conversation but just get it done. Inviting social care intervention without doing that (when there could be an explanation) could cause them a lot of upset. Have the conversation and if they don’t prove a response or immediately change their ways, then report the concern.
BTW my partner and I have an agreement that we never leave our kids anywhere. That said, I would be absolutely heartbroken if someone referred us to social care without addressing their concern with us first.

ShouldWeChangeTheBulb · 09/07/2020 13:14

I wouldn’t confront the neighbours. Then they’ll know it’s you who had called SS and you do not want to start world war 3.
Report and if there is an innocent explanation it will be fine.

LEELULUMPKIN · 09/07/2020 13:14

Two things.

  1. Yes report it. My DS is 15 severely autistic and is never left in the house unattended even at his age, 4 is far, far too young for any child.
  1. I think you and your DH are great for being so understanding re:the stimming. So many aren't.
Poppyfields21 · 09/07/2020 13:16

I disagree with those saying to ask the neighbours. It isn’t your responsibility to watch their children, and if they think it’s okay to leave kids alone at that age for such a period of time I’d be concerned about the children’s well-being in general and think it’s correct for SS to be alerted.

PumpkinP · 09/07/2020 13:20

I wouldn’t ask them as then they will know it’s you, also no you don’t need to offer to baby sit like a pp said Confused

2bazookas · 09/07/2020 13:21

You should make sure of facts first.

You could start by asking Mr Neighbour if he ever needs someone/ you to keep an eye on 4 for a few minutes while he does the school run/picks up wife.

sonypony · 09/07/2020 13:22

When the child is next left alone call 999.

HoppingPavlova · 09/07/2020 13:24

Yes, you can’t leave a 4yo and/or 6yo alone for any length of time at all. It’s not safe. Even if they are sleeping.

thecatneuterer · 09/07/2020 13:26

I have no opinion on whether it's ok as I know nothing about children, but it appears the consensus is that it isn't. However don't report to your Landlord! It definitely has nothing to do with him/her.

Elvesdontdomagic · 09/07/2020 13:27

@Poppyfields21

I disagree with those saying to ask the neighbours. It isn’t your responsibility to watch their children, and if they think it’s okay to leave kids alone at that age for such a period of time I’d be concerned about the children’s well-being in general and think it’s correct for SS to be alerted.
It's not about watching their children it's about clearing up a confusion. The OP doesn't know for sure they're left alone. A quick question should clear up the issue one way or another and save a lot of hassle all round.
1forAll74 · 09/07/2020 13:35

Yes definitely report this, you could save a child from harm,anything could happen to a lone young child.

bungleZippy12 · 09/07/2020 13:36

Social worker here. Report this ASAP. You can call via NSPCC or call 999 if the children are there alone now.

snappycamper · 09/07/2020 13:43

I wouldn’t confront the neighbours. Then they’ll know it’s you who had called SS and you do not want to start world war 3.
Report and if there is an innocent explanation it will be fine.

This. Glad you've decided to report it OP, it gave me chills when reading it.

ineedaholidaynow · 09/07/2020 13:45

And if the parent says yes someone is there, when actually there isn't. What then?

Report. If you know the school, let them know. It might be the family is already known and this might be the final bit of the puzzle.

MissBaskinIfYoureNasty · 09/07/2020 13:47

Report it immediately. Yesterday the police were here because our neighbours have been leaving their 8 and 5 year old all day every day. A few of us found out about it and decided to contact school but someone else had already called the police by this time and it was taken very seriously. Safeguarding is everyone's business.