Are we still in lockdown?

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Are we still in lockdown?

What are we still not allowed to do?

The lines are so blurred!

@chocolatesweets In my opinion you are selfish. There are people like my husband and me, who have no choice but to stay at home. He has heart failure, so Covid would certainly kill him. Do you think it's easier for us to have to stay at home than it is for you? Of course it isn't. We don't ask much out of life, so being able to go out when we want to, or to travel to see our kids, brought tremendous pleasure. On July 4th, when things open up, we still won't be able to risk going out. We have REALLY been stuck inside. We haven't been to a supermarket. We haven't been to a park or a beach, and we haven't seen our family at all. Yesterday my neighbour and I spent ten minutes chatting on our way to the bins...at a safe distance. Covid hasn't gone away because the government says you can go out and do more. And I just hope for other peoples sake, though not for you and your friends who have continued taking risks, that you haven't spread the virus to some innocent person.

We are in the process of easing out of lockdown into I think a period of social distancing restrictions. From July 4th that certainly seems the case. I think lockdown ended as a proper lockdown when the message changed from Stay at home to Stay Alert

I dont think the US is a fair comparison they started on their curve after us (apart from New York) and eased out way before us

The rules are blurred, as a UK we've got 4 sets of rules in 4 different countries. Nearly every response here is referring to England's rules, not Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland!

@81Byerley I kind of agree but my assumption due to the way @chocolatesweets has responded is that they are in a limited bubble? It is selfish (that bit cannot be argued) which I have already said but if someone who is struggling sees their parents with no risk to their health then it's maybe not the time 3 months in to get upset over it.

My parents are struggling mental health wise for sure but they still adhered to everything in spite my mum being in tears every day. Personally I would expect nothing less but this period of time has taught me that people are selfish but also that maybe I need to understand more and accept the fact that some people just are and that if they minimise the risk maybe I can live with that.

However, maybe they are avoiding outright answering because they are actually off seeing all their mates, who are then in turn seeing all their family and friends, in which case it becomes completely selfish and i take what I said back.

@EnlightenedOwl Over reaction?? Tell that to someone who has watched an ambulance crew risk their own safety to cart off a loved one to die alone in hospital. Or to the doctors and nurses caring for Covid patients.

I'm not sure that relying on "common sense" is particularly safe.
I know we need to live with the risks and for the sake of the economy, more things need to start happening but a percentage of people with read "apply common sense" and interpret as, "do what you want".
I can see why people were outraged and upset about DC (I was and I think he should have resigned) but I'm not sure why everyone else doing what they want in response to that helps. It just means multiple people behaving in a potentially irresponsible way instead of just him (of course I know that a small minority would never have stuck to the guidelines anyway)
In print the guidelines are clearer, from BJ they are about as clear as mud. He doesnt convey them a clear manner at all!

@81Byerley they way you say REALLY stuck inside implies you think we haven't suffered jn the way you have. That's not nice. I'm sorry you're in your situation and I would help you if you lived next door to me. I would gladly help you with your shopping.

Whatever it is we're in, it's bloody awful.

Selfishness, stupidity, anger, despair, violence, divisions, distrust, anxiety - all through the roof. If England was a person,!it would be sectioned for its own sake.

[quote 81Byerley]@EnlightenedOwl Over reaction?? Tell that to someone who has watched an ambulance crew risk their own safety to cart off a loved one to die alone in hospital. Or to the doctors and nurses caring for Covid patients.[/quote]
Honestly over it I have read thousands of these ott emotional am dram posts.

i think people will be sad and disappointed when going to the pubs and restaurants and realise it isnt over, you still need to distance yourself.
give your name when you come in.

@chocolatesweets. Sorry, gave the wrong impression. I meant really being stuck inside as opposed to being able to go in to a supermarket, or do the other things that have been 'allowed'.

Lockdown most certainly isn’t over.

Schools aren’t back for a start!

What about those people who have had a chance to progress in their lives? Those in big houses and gardens, big pensions and comfortable lives are quick to judge those that are selfish (in tiny cramped flats). The only way to progress is to be free. To find opportunity. Makes me angry that they're being kept down and told they are selfish!

The guidelines are clear as mud.

Only up to 6 people outdoors. But groups of over 30 are prohibited.

One other household inside or outside, even overnight, but keep 2 metres apart, or 1 metre where 2 metres isn’t possible. But send your teen to youth club as long as you tell them not to mix with more than one person, at 2 metres apart, or 1 metre, if 2 metres isn’t possible.

Stay home wherever possible but you can take your children to the zoo.

I'm not in the us so thats not really my concern.

@ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal

Did you take the same idiotic approach when Italy was being rampaged by this virus?

"Honestly over it I have read thousands of these ott emotional am dram posts."

@EnlightenedOwl

During the last few weeks, my friend's father died without his family, of Covid19. And my close friend's husband collapsed at home (not Covid related) and died in hospital. She wasn't able to be with him, and his parents and siblings were not able to travel to his funeral. Try telling them it's OTT emotional am dram. I think you might get a mouthful in return.
PS. You don't sound very enlightened. I think you need to change your user name.

My teen and his mates, having been totally observant of the rules since March, have suddenly virtually given up.

The term 'Lockdown' isn't really defined for its common usage. I would have described lockdown as the period between 23 March until when we could sit in someone else's garden. Other people use it to mean the period in which there are any emergency rules, e.g. closed nail bars and football behind closed doors.

I hate the term. Its a punishment for rioting prisoners not something to be used on whole populations. The evidence for its effectiveness is sketchy at best. It has been a terrible time for many families, but the reality is that we must get back to a close to normal as possible otherwise there will be nothing with which to fund the NHS with, and the drop in living standards will ultimately dwarf the death toll from COVID-19, which has followed a more or less perfect epidemiological bell graph, reflecting a particularly bad flu season, no more. It is not the black death.

There has to be a point where we decide that life like this is no life at all, and that to preserve the country's wealth and our own freedom and prosperity we will have to accept that unfortunately some people will die.

EnlightenedOwl is best to be ignored I think.

No, I wouldn't say we were in lockdown anymore. We can go to the shops, meet friends and family outdoors, go to the beach and travel unlimited distances so long as we don't stay the night.

We're still under certain restrictions but no, this isn't lockdown to me. It certainly doesn't feel like it anyway - when I went shopping on Saturday (apart from queuing outside B&M and having to use sanitiser in Matalan) things felt pretty much normal to be honest.

If it is then it is a strange lock down...

Almost everything is open with social distancing around - previously when it was only go out for food and daily exercise and not travel then yes but now no.

Cummings was possibly the catalyst

Yep, then the protests/riots, the football celebrations and the beaches all did it for me. I had my kids over at the weekend, we had a sensible BBq (no hugging) but we did mix 3 families. Why shouldn't I after 100s of 1000s gather in Trafalgar Square, Bournemouth and Liverpool?

it depends if you want to protect people from the virus @wink1970

I think opponents of the Conservatives and BJ use Cummings as an excuse for breaking restrictions. What Cummings did was questionable and borderline, but did what he did in a bit of a panic given that he and his wife were ill and they needed childcare and get hounded all the time.

Blaming DC seems much more 'woke' than maybe saying that they broke the restrictions given that thousands of people turned up for BLM and the government/police did nothing.