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There’s now a strong chance schools will NOT go back full time in September

477 replies

Redolent · 24/06/2020 18:27

Schools have been set up to fail by the careless summer relaxation of lockdown.

  • No mandatory face masks in shops and indoors. The UK is an international outlier here.
  • Reduction of 2m rule to 1m which is basically the normal distance people talk to each other. Factor in alcohol and social distancing is now non-existent in pubs and restaurants. Oh, and nobody cares about the 1m ‘plus’ bit. They just hear 1m.
  • Reopening of too many indoor venues at once, including things like places of worship which are high-risk for transmission anyway.
  • Bypassing the idea of social bubbles straight to unlimited two household meet-ups indoors. You can visit different pubs/restaurants over the weekend and go inside multiple households throughout the week. Zero attempt to break chain of transmission.
  • No functioning app and poor test/trace system (see SAGE’s Stephen Reicher on the latter)
  • ‘Pausing’ of shielding in August

All of the above will led to a rise in cases.

Meanwhile:

  • Shit is absolutely hitting the fan in the United States, India, Pakistan, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, other parts of the Middle East. Our quarantine policy is so terrible it may well be scrapped anyway. Will see more imported cases.
  • The weather will turn cooler and allow perfect conditions for the virus to thrive

So by end of August/early September, our cases and hospitalizations will be rising significantly. Flu season will kick in. The NHS is already groaning under the weight of its huge 10million waiting list - another shut down cannot happen. A full time return to school under those circumstances will be untenable. Blended learning will see a turn as will part-time schooling.

YABU: we need to get the economy going in all its forms as quickly as possible, and schools will also go back with no issues.
YANBU: you cannot have things both ways. This summer relaxation is setting us up for an autumn/winter spike and more part-time schooling.

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Northernsoulgirl45 · 25/06/2020 19:37

Already seeing quite big breakouts in early years settings. 20 cases in one where sil used to work . As for Bournemouth Beach today!

Devlesko · 25/06/2020 20:10

Northern

Please can you put up a link or pm with details.
I believe you, but I'm having problems getting my ds to see this. I worry for my granddaughter. Thanks

Drivingdownthe101 · 25/06/2020 20:12

@Devlesko

Northern

Please can you put up a link or pm with details.
I believe you, but I'm having problems getting my ds to see this. I worry for my granddaughter. Thanks

It is your son (and the child’s mother) who get to decide whether to send their child to nursery or not.
TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/06/2020 20:12

Children don’t spread it....

apple.news/AOp_uyJO2SKiC-dzbajHweQ

BoakBackMountain · 25/06/2020 20:15

Already seeing quite big breakouts in early years settings. 20 cases in one where sil used to work . As for Bournemouth Beach today!

Where? I know several EY settings in London and we've had none. My son's been back for 3 weeks.

Devlesko · 25/06/2020 20:20

Driving

Erm, I think I know that lol, newt wrong with giving them info though, they appreciate it.
You sound a bit weird, not get on with your parents or ils.

Drivingdownthe101 · 25/06/2020 20:23

I get on extremely well with my parents and in laws. My mum is in our bubble as she lives alone, my dad was here in our garden this morning having a socially distanced chat. In laws live abroad but we FaceTime a couple of times a week, we were due to fly and visit in a few weeks but sadly our flights were cancelled. They completely trust my judgement on any decisions I make for my children though, and trust that I will have researched properly before making a decision.

but I'm having problems getting my ds to see this suggests maybe he doesn’t appreciate your advice as much as you think he does.

Devlesko · 25/06/2020 20:26

Thank you, I've forwarded it. Thanks
Ok with you Driving

Drivingdownthe101 · 25/06/2020 20:27

Fine, hope he acquiesces to your point of view, which is what you’re hoping for Smile

spanieleyes · 25/06/2020 20:30

schoolsweek.co.uk/suspected-covid-19-outbreaks-in-schools-almost-doubles/

Could be interesting when all schools are back full time!

Piggywaspushed · 25/06/2020 20:31

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-outbreak-nursery-20-children-22253165

I honestly think the MN massive doesn't care so long as it isn't them.

Piggywaspushed · 25/06/2020 20:32

emoji had already posted it but it seems not many people opened the link.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/06/2020 20:39

And now there’s this..,, children don’t spread it.,,,

schoolsweek.co.uk/suspected-covid-19-outbreaks-in-schools-almost-doubles/

larrygrylls · 25/06/2020 21:26

Schools are just too important to close. We have no alternative model of looking after children assuring them all of a chance of a reasonable outcome (as well as parents working).

Covid is, luckily, not dangerous to children and teachers have to start thinking of themselves as essential workers.

If they need to close another sector to allow schools to open and keep Covid under control, so be it. We cannot sent an entire generation education to protect against a disease with an IFR of 0.2-0.3%.

Piggywaspushed · 25/06/2020 21:28

We know that we are essential workers : we also know this is shorthand for workers who must not complain, voice concern or debate but just 'crack on'.

Piggywaspushed · 25/06/2020 21:29

I forgot accept poor working conditions .

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/06/2020 21:29

But it will spread in the community outside schools.

It’s not just school staff and school kids. And all other essential workers have PPE and social distancing.

We just get chucked into the boiling pot.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/06/2020 21:30

Wonder what would happen if rates go higher and higher in schools in Sept/Oct. And they will!

larrygrylls · 25/06/2020 21:39

Piggy and Emoji,

What are the alternatives? Older teachers’ return should be optional but for the young and fit, why shouldn’t they be back teaching?

Piggywaspushed · 25/06/2020 21:48

I didn't say that at all larry. I just thought it was a bit condescending to tell us we are essential workers when that has been abundantly clear throughout our working lives. Many people go into teaching because they are motivated by the idea that we make a contribution to society.

That doesn't mean we should work in unsafe workplaces. We didn't sign up for the mines.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/06/2020 21:52

Why should ANY school staff have to work in a dangerous environment. No PPE. No social distancing.

More outbreaks now in schools that in health care environments.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/06/2020 21:53

Boris can shove his bubbles up his arse as far as I’m concerned. The whole schools thing is a massive massive issue, that Boris is not prepared to solve.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/06/2020 21:55

At least this is putting paid to the myth that children don’t spread it.

Always thought that was a load of shite, and now it is appearing that it was.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 25/06/2020 21:57

I see someone has beaten me to it.