To be shocked that some people believe an adult male could go to class with 7 year old children?

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This is hilarious but also shockingly scary that some people would agree that an adult male could go to school with actual 7 year old children if he identifies as a 7 year old child and also that one female would believe that he can also be a Chinese woman but not a 6’5 Chinese woman as she draws the line at height when it comes to identity 🤯

I would take your point

I wouldn't. It's an absurd complete misreading of that social interaction.

Legals' position is based on their conversation being about his education levels, which it very, very clearly isn't. It is very, very clearly, and within the context of the conversation ( previously asking if they would accept him as a woman/ chinese person etc) about identity, and being accepted as that identity.

They are humoring him

If they were humouring him they would have agreed that he is NOT a woman, nor a chinese person, nor a seven year old, nor 6ft 5. It will have quickly become apparent to those students what his agenda was.

They are not humouring him. Quite the opposite.

@alittlelower

They are humoring him

They are not humoring him. They have a tribal allegiance to a very particular political view which says that people's self-chosen 'identity' must always be respected, even when plain sense tells you it is not true. And they are expressing that view.

These people are anti-choice, pro-trump, abstinence-only education advocates. If you want to align yourself with them go ahead What you are doing is expressing allegiance to a view which says that if someone has opinions you do not agree with, you must never agree with anything they say or do.

The college students and you are both displaying a similar mindset of placing ideological position over reality.

Very well said.

If a Trump supporter said that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, you surely wouldn't disagree with them because they support the odious Trump would you??

Ridiculous to take a stance against EVERYTHING a someone says because you don't agree with a lot of their claims.

This says to me that the individuals are so busy trying to appease everyone/make everyone feel that they can be 'anything they want' that they have lost questioning skills or common sense.

7 years old
6'5"

What are we breeding here?

They are not humouring him.

Sadly they are turned out to believe that if you say you are 7/6'5"/woman/etc etc then you must be.

Easy to turn some people into drones who accept everything they are told - very odd - as a former science graduate I question everything

This

A university education was prized because it was evidence that someone had been trained to think logically and clearly. What happened?

These people are anti-choice, pro-trump, abstinence-only education advocates. If you want to align yourself with them go ahead

So, if Trump and the alt-right were heavily into gender identity, what would you think about gender identity? How would those students have answered his questions?

What is evident is that that education system does not promote critical thinking.

@alittlelower You've completely misread what I wrote and made yourself look silly there.

I agree with people wanting to fall over themselves to prove their inclusive credentials. Who here as a teen? DS used to come home from school with xy or z is now xy or z. So as much as actual elected politicians may be like this in an older demographic they we’re more likely to be in the minority now younger people who think like this appear to be becoming the majority.

@Ijustreallywantacat

Oh just stop it. He is asking ridiculous questions. They are humoring him. These people are anti-choice, pro-trump, abstinence-only education advocates. If you want to align yourself with them go ahead.

Stick to the FWR boards.

Very well said.

You've completely misread what I wrote and made yourself look silly there

So explain what I misunderstood then.

@Booboostwo
@AnnaBanana333

Want to explain why they were humouring him? Or why they would humour him in that way?

Want to explain why you think opinions should be formed on the basis of who has said something, rather than examining what they have said? Why do you think, 'Oh, that person has other views I don't like - ergo sum, everything they say must be wrong' is a valid position?

@FromMarch2020

This

A university education was prized because it was evidence that someone had been trained to think logically and clearly. What happened?

Lecturers are still fighting the battle to maintain this role of a university education, but it's a hard slog. It's not helped by the impact of fees and emergence of a consumer market within higher education. There's a growing sense of entitlement (compounded by interfering parents who believe they've paid for a. degree.)

Having said that, I've found most of my students (in History) to still be pretty good at critical thinking. What they find much harder is self-directed learning. They get so anxious when asked to go find something out for themselves.

alittlelower 'ergo sum' is Latin for 'therefore I am', it comes from Descrates' famous Cogito argument in the Meditations and is nonsensical in the phrase you randomly inserted it in (helpful hint: limit yourself to 'therefore' and you may manage to construct a sentence that you, for a start, understand). All of which should explain why I, as an actual philosopher, have given up attempting to have substantive discussions on MN on trans issues.

@Booboostwo thank you for that helpful reply. It tells me a lot about your character.

[quote alittlelower]@Booboostwo thank you for that helpful reply. It tells me a lot about your character.[/quote]
You are most welcome, and glad I could reciprocate having learnt a lot about your intellect.

"Oh just stop it. He is asking ridiculous questions. They are humoring him." are you suggesting that people can NOT identify as a different age or ethnicity? Were you unaware that this is already happening?

Basically, they are scared to give the wrong answer and be vilified. People are losing the ability to think for themselves. Inclusiveness should have been about allowing people to express themselves as unique individuals, but the opposite seems to have happened and people seem afraid to express their individual thoughts in case those thoughts are wrong.

Easy to turn some people into drones who accept everything they are told - very odd - as a former science graduate I question everything

Relax, I'm a former arts graduate and question everything. Admittedly I am one of the more science oriented ones. History is complicated though.

There is a question to explore here, as this weirdness is seeping in to law and public institutions. Is it something to do with the internet itself? At any rate it's a bad combination of culture and technology.

@unlimiteddilutingjuice

I was a bit frustrated at the Chinese question. If a white looking person told me they were Chinese I would assume they had been born in China or naturalised as a Chinese citizen due to residency. Nationality isn't the same as ethnicity and its annoying college educated people didn't pick up on this.

So would I, but in the context of the questions it's highly unlikely he was asking them if China allows people to become naturalised citizens.

glad I could reciprocate having learnt a lot about your intellect

Sadly, I can't say the same about you, but your replies have confirmed my first impressions about your debating style. Namely that you do think that you can throw out all of someone' views if you don't like some of them. And that there is no need to answer someone's points when you can just sneer at their misuse of a phrase instead.

Good Lord, why thought you could impress me with a claim of being a philosopher after that sad display is a mystery . Have you never heard of 'Show not tell?'

Oh and the fact that you think you can call someone thick instead of answering their arguments. Impressive.

If a Trump supporter said that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, you surely wouldn't disagree with them because they support the odious Trump would you??

Unfortunately, it seems a fair few people (mainly younger from what I have seen) think exactly this way. If you agree with someone on one topic this means you agree on everything you have ever said. Depressing and a ridiclous way to look at things, but seems common

Ohh I thought this was going to be about Stefoknee.

I did too actually. Though surely Steph has grown up a little since their youth. Would be maybe coming up to a teenager now?

BatShite I think that's right. There's an excellent book by Robert Altemeier called The Authoritarians which looks at the psychology of people with a tendency to blindly follow authoritarian ideologies. They crop up on both sides of the political spectrum and anti-scientism is one of tehir hallmarks: "Coronavirus is a Democrat conspiracy to get at Trump"; "Mammalian sex is a spectrum because clownfish."

Additionally such people quite like appeals to authority ("this must be true because I saw an op ed - not a peer reviewed article - in such and such a publication"), guilt by association ("X is on the same side as Y on this issue, and Y accepts abc horrible beliefs") and ad hominem attacks ("you're a raving illiterate who can't spell 'blah' therefore your opinions are of no worth") in their arguing style. I've seen several of these already on this thread.